New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[The Great Dane]

Even nrl isn’t that stupid to look the WA govt gift horse in the mouth, surely?

They've done stuff like that before, and they'll do it again.

Besides, if we've learnt anything over the last few years it's that whoever wins the 18th license will only do so because they had New's blessing.

Both the NRL and A-league allowed News to financially influence their decision when it came time to pick the winning bid, and I've got no doubt that the NRL under PVL will allow that to happen again.

 

[mongoose]

News who's happy to bend over backwards for AFL and give NRL the scraps...

 

[Pippen94]

It’ll be at least 20 years before nz gets another team going on current expansion experience.

Probably get in ahead of perth

 

[Pippen94]

They've done stuff like that before, and they'll do it again.

Besides, if we've learnt anything over the last few years it's that whoever wins the 18th license will only do so because they had New's blessing.

Both the NRL and A-league allowed News to financially influence their decision when it came time to pick the winning bid, and I've got no doubt that the NRL under PVL will allow that to happen again.

Imagine trying to increase value to broadcasters who provide biggest source of income?!

 

[Perth Red]

Imagine trying to increase value to broadcasters who provide biggest source of income?!

Did it increase anything? Or did it just suit news ltds other interests?

 

[The Great Dane]

Imagine trying to increase value to broadcasters who provide biggest source of income?!

The NRL, and A-league's for that matter, first responsibility is to their own business, not to the broadcasters. Especially not New's whom will happily chew their partners up and spit them out at the drop of a hat. The addition of Redcliffe may have increased value for News, but it didn't really for the NRL, and that's bad business.

In the A-league's case they took an extra $20mil (or whatever it was) up front and ended up with a pair of clubs that struggle to average more than a few thousand a game. New's then tried to undercut them in their next broadcast negotiations, and used fears of the expansion teams, that they forced the A-league to pick, underperforming as one of their reasons.

In the NRL's case they offered the NRL $75mil over five years for the Dolphins. They did it to protect their assets, both in the Broncos and Foxtel, and they got the NRL to agree to drop the percentage of Broncos games, i.e. the NRL's highest rating, from FTA to boot, without consulting Nine or allowing them to counteroffer.

The NRL hasn't seen a significant return from the 17th team aside from that $75mil over five years, when anybody with a brain knows that not only is expansion worth way more than $15mil a year to News, but that with the right plan expansion the 17th team could have brought in significantly more upfront.

In both cases it frankly looks like News sabotaged expansion so the leagues wouldn't see the growth possible, thus keeping the product more affordable for News. In the A-league's case they didn't predict Paramount coming in offering a significantly better deal than they were willing to pay, we can only hope that A. the same thing happens the next time the NRL's rights go to tender, and B. that the NRL is willing to seriously entertain bids from broadcasters other than Nine and News.

 

[Perth Red]

The NRL, and A-league's for that matter, first responsibility is to their own business, not to the broadcasters. Especially not New's whom will happily chew their partners up and spit them out at the drop of a hat. The addition of Redcliffe may have increased value for News, but it didn't really for the NRL, and that's bad business.

In the A-league's case they took an extra $20mil (or whatever it was) up front and ended up with a pair of clubs that struggle to average more than a few thousand a game. New's then tried to undercut them in their next broadcast negotiations, and used fears of the expansion teams, that they forced the A-league to pick, underperforming as one of their reasons.

In the NRL's case they offered the NRL $75mil over five years for the Dolphins. They did it to protect their assets, both in the Broncos and Foxtel, and they got the NRL to agree to drop the percentage of Broncos games, i.e. the NRL's highest rating, from FTA to boot, without consulting Nine or allowing them to counteroffer.

The NRL hasn't seen a significant return from the 17th team aside from that $75mil over five years, when anybody with a brain knows that not only is expansion worth way more than $15mil a year to News, but that with the right plan expansion the 17th team could have brought in significantly more upfront.

In both cases it frankly looks like News sabotaged expansion so the leagues wouldn't see the growth possible, thus keeping the product more affordable for News. In the A-league's case they didn't predict Paramount coming in offering a significantly better deal than they were willing to pay, we can only hope that A. the same thing happens the next time the NRL's rights go to tender, and B. that the NRL is willing to seriously entertain bids from broadcasters other than Nine and News.

They didn’t even get that in reality. Vlandys gave them a reduced deal before the dolphins decision meaning the extra money news are paying for expansion is just filling a gap that was created by Vlandys terrible decision. The only extra we are getting in the new tv deal is $5mill contra from nine and $12.2mill from skynz.

 

[Pippen94]

The NRL, and A-league's for that matter, first responsibility is to their own business, not to the broadcasters. Especially not New's whom will happily chew their partners up and spit them out at the drop of a hat. The addition of Redcliffe may have increased value for News, but it didn't really for the NRL, and that's bad business.

In the A-league's case they took an extra $20mil (or whatever it was) up front and ended up with a pair of clubs that struggle to average more than a few thousand a game. New's then tried to undercut them in their next broadcast negotiations, and used fears of the expansion teams, that they forced the A-league to pick, underperforming as one of their reasons.

In the NRL's case they offered the NRL $75mil over five years for the Dolphins. They did it to protect their assets, both in the Broncos and Foxtel, and they got the NRL to agree to drop the percentage of Broncos games, i.e. the NRL's highest rating, from FTA to boot, without consulting Nine or allowing them to counteroffer.

The NRL hasn't seen a significant return from the 17th team aside from that $75mil over five years, when anybody with a brain knows that not only is expansion worth way more than $15mil a year to News, but that with the right plan expansion the 17th team could have brought in significantly more upfront.

In both cases it frankly looks like News sabotaged expansion so the leagues wouldn't see the growth possible, thus keeping the product more affordable for News. In the A-league's case they didn't predict Paramount coming in offering a significantly better deal than they were willing to pay, we can only hope that A. the same thing happens the next time the NRL's rights go to tender, and B. that the NRL is willing to seriously entertain bids from broadcasters other than Nine and News.

Ur a conspiracy theorist. Teams in big markets have potential to draw biggest tv / streaming audience, meaning more value to broadcaster. Idea that broadcaster trying to sabotage league it's paying any type of money for is crazy but that's where you at. Broadcaster wants less ppl watching to make less money, sure.
In USA NFL added 17th game after decades of tradition because of pressure of tv, but guess that's sabotage too..
I don't know the numbers (neither do you) but 17th team doesn't create extra game & that only comes with next expansion & in ur "assessment" broadcaster at very least have completely covered the dolphins. What a blow to NRL to have big pay day around corner.
Yes, we all know TV deal stuck during covid. Yes, a league scored deal with paramount after fox reduced it's value. Paramount must be morons huh?!

 

[Pippen94]

They didn’t even get that in reality. Vlandys gave them a reduced deal before the dolphins decision meaning the extra money news are paying for expansion is just filling a gap that was created by Vlandys terrible decision. The only extra we are getting in the new tv deal is $5mill contra from nine and $12.2mill from skynz.

Interesting, NRL's biggest hater thinks finances are bad

 

[Wb1234]

The NRL, and A-league's for that matter, first responsibility is to their own business, not to the broadcasters. Especially not New's whom will happily chew their partners up and spit them out at the drop of a hat. The addition of Redcliffe may have increased value for News, but it didn't really for the NRL, and that's bad business.

In the A-league's case they took an extra $20mil (or whatever it was) up front and ended up with a pair of clubs that struggle to average more than a few thousand a game. New's then tried to undercut them in their next broadcast negotiations, and used fears of the expansion teams, that they forced the A-league to pick, underperforming as one of their reasons.

In the NRL's case they offered the NRL $75mil over five years for the Dolphins. They did it to protect their assets, both in the Broncos and Foxtel, and they got the NRL to agree to drop the percentage of Broncos games, i.e. the NRL's highest rating, from FTA to boot, without consulting Nine or allowing them to counteroffer.

The NRL hasn't seen a significant return from the 17th team aside from that $75mil over five years, when anybody with a brain knows that not only is expansion worth way more than $15mil a year to News, but that with the right plan expansion the 17th team could have brought in significantly more upfront.

In both cases it frankly looks like News sabotaged expansion so the leagues wouldn't see the growth possible, thus keeping the product more affordable for News. In the A-league's case they didn't predict Paramount coming in offering a significantly better deal than they were willing to pay, we can only hope that A. the same thing happens the next time the NRL's rights go to tender, and B. that the NRL is willing to seriously entertain bids from broadcasters other than Nine and News.

Paramount got the a league for less but if you think 30 million pa was saving the a league good for youv

the nrl will get a payback from the dolphins in the future but your not totally wrong in what you say just as usual you take the facts to an extreme

 

[Perth Red]

Interesting, NRL's biggest hater thinks finances are bad

Facts are facts, but you keep skirting around the point by all means. Troll.

 

[Te Kaha]

Well it's irrelevant now. with Spark Sport folding as expected. A second new NRL will not increase Sky's money and the next deal will undoubtedly be much lower since there will be no competition in the bid from sky.

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[Wb1234]

Troll done good

 

[Perth Red]

Well it's irrelevant now. with Spark Sport folding as expected, a second new NRL will not increase Sky's money and the next deal will undoubtedly be much lower since there will be no competition in the bid from sky.

Stuff

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That’s a real shame from a tv value point of view.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

It wouldn't be that hard for NZ union players to move to Australia and play in the NRL - so why aren't they doing so in large numbers?

Certainly not the established players, but Australian NRL clubs are raiding NZ junior ranks at an increasing rate (a good percentage of them are Union juniors).

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Nearly
perth, nz2, Adelaide,
qlnd doesn’t need another club, or shouldn’t for quite some time.

I agree, these are the three areas that slots 18, 19 & 20 should be reserved for. In the future if things are going great guns we can look at another QLD side but Adelaide, NZ and Perth are the priority.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Certainly not the established players, but Australian NRL clubs are raiding NZ junior ranks at an increasing rate (a good percentage of them are Union juniors).

I'm reading this thread and seeing comments about NZ juniors, and the lack thereof.
At EVERY junior Union carnival that is held in NZ there are countless NRL Club scouts looking at every player.

 

[The Great Dane]

Ur a conspiracy theorist.

Firstly, I never suggested that there was a conspiracy. There was no secret plan or shadowy group manipulating the decision behind the scenes, it was done openly by big players at the NRL and News limited.

Secondly, it's not speculation or hearsay, it's undeniable recorded history.

News offered the NRL a deal for $75mil over five years, plus other benefits, in exchange for the NRL picking the Dolphins bid and giving Foxtel a higher percentage of Broncos games, and the NRL accepted that deal. Trying to pretend that didn't happen, or that I'm misrepresenting it, is denying reality.

 

[The Great Dane]

the nrl will get a payback from the dolphins in the future

I think that's probably unlikely in the immediate short term, but it's almost certainly true in the longer term.

However, that doesn't change the fact that A. the NRL could have got a significantly better return for expansion up front if they'd gone about it differently, and B. there were other expansion options that almost certainly would have offered a higher return on investment in the long term than the Dolphins, and that the NRL turned those opportunities down for what is effectively chump change in the grand scheme of things.

but your not totally wrong in what you say just as usual you take the facts to an extreme

By that you mean I'm reflecting reality as it is, but you find that reality inconvenient and would prefer if it was suppressed, or at least spun to not look as bad as it actually is.

Unfortunately I'm not about that. You can not fix a problem if you refuse to accept that it is in fact a problem.

 

[flippikat]

Another article on Spark Sport's demise.

Now that Sky will be a monopoly in pay-tv sports again, they can pretty much dictate price.

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Does that make it more likely the NRL will add NZ 2 to try and get more money from Sky?