New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[titoelcolombiano]

Kiwi mate tells me (don't know if true)... that the NZRL resist letting the NRL come in and provide funding, grass roots assistance etc. due to fear of losing their sovereignty.

IF true, then it is the NZRL holding the game back in NZ, not the NRL.

 

[Colk]

Yep, I take a break from this thread for two days and come back and the same levels of utter delusion are still being displayed. My read back over the past few pages later today will be interestingly comical I guess.

There's not 200k sleeper league fans in the country who will sign up to Sky when a new team is announced. Furthermore even if they did poach all of these fans from rugby it still wont contribute to new subscriptions because they all already have subscriptions.

Exactly. It is the reason why the next team won’t be another Kiwi side. It’ll be either Perth or if they are really conservative another QLD side.

Not suggesting that there won’t be another Kiwi side but it is more likely to be the 19th side than the 20th side - one built/chosen for player numbers/development rather than broadcast dollars.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Cross-code young gun taking his shot at Tigers

The 23-year-old has captained Randwick in the Sydney rugby competition.

www.zerotackle.com

 

[Matua]

Is that why RU officials work as hard as they can to keep RL out of the school system in NZ?

I'm sitting on my couch right now watching the Warriors play in a rugby 7s competition run by the NZR.

The Boys school I went to entered a team in the national schools league comp for a few years in the 2000s and then the league officials changed the date so it clashed with the rugby comp, with the issue being all the league players came from the 1st, 2nd, and U15 teams.

So, even if they are working to keep league out of the school system they don't have to try hard. At any rate it worked best back in the 80s/90s when the league comp was on a Sunday so we could all play rugby on Saturday and league on Sunday.

 

[Matua]

Cross-code young gun taking his shot at Tigers

The 23-year-old has captained Randwick in the Sydney rugby competition.

www.zerotackle.com

What on earth has an unknown covert got to do with NZ league? You're just spraying willy nilly at the moment.

 

[Matua]

Kiwi mate tells me (don't know if true)... that the NZRL resist letting the NRL come in and provide funding, grass roots assistance etc. due to fear of losing their sovereignty.

IF true, then it is the NZRL holding the game back in NZ, not the NRL.

This was an organisation that selected David Kidwell as coach and then made the moral decision to select a wife beater to replace a guy they banned for buying coke/attempting to buy coke while on the piss. So wouldn't surprise me if they were shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[Te Kaha]

Is that why RU officials work as hard as they can to keep RL out of the school system in NZ?

Which "RU officials" are those? I'm sure after making such a libellous claim you will be able to back it up.

 

[Perth Red]

What a fool I am. Thinking broadcasters need content.

Please educate me on why they don't

Skynz paid the same amount for the two tv deals previously. They only upped their payment $12.2mill a year this time as spark was going hard for the rights. No spark, no more money, no matter how many nz teams are in the comp.

 

[Perth Red]

Ok. I have to run through this real simply for the slow kids...
A new New Zealand team captures the interests of 200,000 spectators nationwide, not actual fans attending games just people of the fence who are interested in seeing them play- a new team from NZ in the biggest Rugby comp in the Pacific- that's a conservative estimate.
To watch them they need sky.
Sky will get 200,000 more subscribers because they have those games...
200,000 × annual subscription = how much more they can afford to pay.
They would pay all of it because they want a profit but they want to increase subscribers... they want those 200,000 extra subscribers.

Lol you think skynz are going to get a 20% increase in subscribers because of a new nrl club @$40nz a month? That’s some wishful thinking.

 

[Perth Red]

Kiwi mate tells me (don't know if true)... that the NZRL resist letting the NRL come in and provide funding, grass roots assistance etc. due to fear of losing their sovereignty.

IF true, then it is the NZRL holding the game back in NZ, not the NRL.

Given the pittance of revenue they have I very much doubt it, unless it comes with vlandys in charge strings then I dont blame them!

 

[Gobsmacked]

Skynz paid the same amount for the two tv deals previously. They only upped their payment $12.2mill a year this time as spark was going hard for the rights. No spark, no more money, no matter how many nz teams are in the comp.

This is the thing. Subscription services aren't in a competition with each other they're in a competition with themselves!!
They don't want more Subscribers than their competitors...
They just want more Subscribers!
I doubt you'll get it
The NRL don't need to say " we have another offer " they just need to say " not enough " and walk away.

This is not a house auction! where you need two bidding...
These are executive level corporate multimillion dollar coorparations.
You don't think each of them knows the value of what they have to the other party???!!!

You muppets are completely clueless on this one.

Like how you all complain about AFL getting more money... I give you a hint... an AFL game goes for 30% longer.. more content- more money. Executives at the AFL know it and the broadcasters know it - the deal get done.
This isn't a garage sale ffs.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Is that why RU officials work as hard as they can to keep RL out of the school system in NZ?

That's a very good point. The New Zealanders I've met in Australia are always talking up RU and trash talking RL. They go on about how small it is in NZ while claiming Aussies love RU. I'd love to meet these Aussies who love it, as I rarely come across them despite living here for 37 years.

 

[Te Kaha]

This is the thing. Subscription services aren't in a competition with each other they're in a competition with themselves!!
They don't want more Subscribers than their competitors...
They just want more Subscribers!
I doubt you'll get it
The NRL don't need to say " we have another offer " they just need to say " not enough " and walk away.

This is not a house auction! where you need two bidding...
These are executive level corporate multimillion dollar coorparations.
You don't think each of them knows the value of what they have to the other party???!!!

You muppets are completely clueless on this one.

Like how you all complain about AFL getting more money... I give you a hint... an AFL game goes for 30% longer.. more content- more money. Executives at the AFL know it and the broadcasters know it - the deal get done.
This isn't a garage sale ffs.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA I have read some stupid on this forum but that just about takes the cake. the NRL will "walk away" from 20 to 30 Million a year because they don't think it pays enough?
You have gone on about how a second team will make more money for SKY and grow the game as major reasons why they will pay more for it. So how is the NRL walking away and having no NZ tv coverage going to grow the game in NZ???

Sky loses money on League, it has one game a week that rates and the rest is filler. They bid more last time to prevent spark from getting it and forcing, as expected, spark out. It worked. They have not increased the rights in the last two times before this one, Before spark. And now you think they will pay more because you think they should?

You're an idiot if that's your argument.

 

[Perth Red]

This is the thing. Subscription services aren't in a competition with each other they're in a competition with themselves!!
They don't want more Subscribers than their competitors...
They just want more Subscribers!
I doubt you'll get it
The NRL don't need to say " we have another offer " they just need to say " not enough " and walk away.

This is not a house auction! where you need two bidding...
These are executive level corporate multimillion dollar coorparations.
You don't think each of them knows the value of what they have to the other party???!!!

You muppets are completely clueless on this one.

Like how you all complain about AFL getting more money... I give you a hint... an AFL game goes for 30% longer.. more content- more money. Executives at the AFL know it and the broadcasters know it - the deal get done.
This isn't a garage sale ffs.

Lol, you are so naive,
yeh the nrl is going to walk away from $30mill a year from skynz if they dont up it. Like I said we had two previous deals where skynz paid the same amount, it only went up this time due to competition. There is no longer any competition.

 

[Matua]

The NRL don't need to say " we have another offer " they just need to say " not enough " and walk away.

And Sky will say "fine, walk away" because as @Te Kaha notes league is not a big profit spinner for Sky. Most of the people watching league on Sky have it for the rugby.

Also, it should be noted for this thread, the rugby union actually holds a small ownership stake in Sky.

That's a very good point. The New Zealanders I've met in Australia are always talking up RU and trash talking RL. They go on about how small it is in NZ while claiming Aussies love RU. I'd love to meet these Aussies who love it, as I rarely come across them despite living here for 37 years.

I find this odd commentary. League is small in NZ and it's much smaller now than it was 5 or 10 years ago.

I don't know any fellow NZers here who would claim Australia loves rugby over league. Some do, clearly not in your circles, but league is clearly the king on the east coast - which is why I find it even more bizarre how heated up posters get when people explain that NZers don't love league as much in Oz, so some of the commentary in this thread is just pie in the sky.

 

[Matua]

The nz test side was on paper the best in the World Cup

and that’s with half their potential players picking Tonga and samoa

the best thing about league is these players pick Tonga or samoa

but union the all blacks steal all their best players

nz is a rugby league powerhouse and we haven’t scratched the surface in terms of players we can produce

Jesus, there's so much b/s in this one post I don't know where to start.

There's no way half the potential Kiwi players "chose" Tonga or Samoa. Of the PI teams only a few of those players would make the Kiwis squad. There were about 6 born and bred NZers in the Samoan side and none of them would have been selected in the Kiwis over any of the current squad. There are a few others born in NZ but raised in Australia so they're more picking Samoa over Oz than NZ. And even long time Kiwi Taupau would have struggled to make the Kiwis on this years form. Most of the Tongan team are born in and/or raised in Australia. Of the maybe 4 or 5 raised in NZ only Taumalolo would have been an automatic pick and he plays for Tonga due to a falling out with the Kiwis coach. AFB would be too but I barely consider him a Kiwi and we should never have selected him in 2017. Taukeiaho is the only other guy in that team who could make the Kiwis side.

In rugby NZ barely "steal" any of Samoa or Tonga's best players. We do provide their test teams with the majority of their best players though.

 

[Wb1234]

Jesus, there's so much b/s in this one post I don't know where to start.

There's no way half the potential Kiwi players "chose" Tonga or Samoa. Of the PI teams only a few of those players would make the Kiwis squad. There were about 6 born and bred NZers in the Samoan side and none of them would have been selected in the Kiwis over any of the current squad. There are a few others born in NZ but raised in Australia so they're more picking Samoa over Oz than NZ. And even long time Kiwi Taupau would have struggled to make the Kiwis on this years form. Most of the Tongan team are born in and/or raised in Australia. Of the maybe 4 or 5 raised in NZ only Taumalolo would have been an automatic pick and he plays for Tonga due to a falling out with the Kiwis coach. AFB would be too but I barely consider him a Kiwi and we should never have selected him in 2017. Taukeiaho is the only other guy in that team who could make the Kiwis side.

In rugby NZ barely "steal" any of Samoa or Tonga's best players. We do provide their test teams with the majority of their best players though.

Where every All Black was born

Where was every All Black born? This Herald interactive graphic details the birth place of every Kiwi to have worn the silver fern.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[Gobsmacked]

These contradictions come think and fast with you lot
First League's worth nothing, the it's worth 20 to 30 Million..
Then there's no kiwis eligible playing for Samoa and Tonga, then there's born an bred 6 just in Samoa... which puts people who simply qualify at well over half considering heritage.

And if you think either party wants to walk away in those negotiations, you'd be mistaken. Neither wants to have the other walk away or walk away themselves, they both stand to gain a great deal for their companies.
They have lunch and they both want the other to be happy, they make money from making deals and they are both aware of the true value.

Foxtel have been paying a fortune for League as long as I've known, well before any competitors.

You guys have watched too many episodes of shark tank lol
The is a scenario in which both parties are career businessman.

 

[Iamback]

Australia and NZ are the best places for school/employment etc in the Pacific, As such they will always get Samoans/Tongans heritage players.

I found them to like both sports, So in theory getting the switch is possible. Reality probably not NZRL needs to get itself in order 1st

 

[Gobsmacked]

I think it's a waste of time all this arguing over the colour of the sky..
I'll leave you tolls to your own misery.