New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Brian potter]

They didn’t ‘let’ anybody do anything. SA chose to leave to pursue more lucrative opportunities in Europe, and there was nothing anybody could do to stop them.

It was actually a great opportunity for the ARU to cut it’s self loose and start their own proper national competition, which is the only hope there is to save club RU as a commercial product in AUS, but they wasted it.

Too dumb to see that the Kiwi’s are a ball and chain as much as anything else, and too scared to go it alone.

You reap what you sow.

Let/allowed them to leave as in they didn’t put in more effort to keep them i.e. financially.

 

[Bukowski]

It's funny, the same 2 trolls that believe small union crowds in NZ will mean big NRL crowds there also believe small union crowds in Perth will mean small NRL crowds in Perth
Great logic.

 

[Brian potter]

It amazing how their crowds have dropped off from the 20k avg they had at Subiaco. A reflection of how far Union has fallen since then. They've got a lot of work to do to re engage with the Union toffs in WA. Nice market there waiting to be picked up by a vibrant NRL team.

Are toffs in Western Australia interested in RL?

eitherway there’s a whole bigger market and audience for RL in WA to target.

 

[Dark Corner]

Wish I could have a Massive Blow.

 

[Perth Red]

Are toffs in Western Australia interested in RL?

eitherway there’s a whole bigger market and audience for RL in WA to target.

Im always surprised by how much Force merch I see at NRL games (I wouldnt be seen dead at a kick and clap game). Its a good secondary market to target seeing as 15k of them no longer go to Force games that used to.

 

[Wb1234]

72k on free to air for the super rugby opener

Beaten by repeats of Yorkshire vet on a minor seven channel


te he he he he

 

[docbrown]

And the players? So those teams never started with players from other NRL teams? of course they did, that is also cannibalisation. If you are talking fans, are you now saying that every single fan of any new team has never been a fan of another team? I call bullshit on that assertion. Still cannibalisation.




Shit, with some of those dreams why not include PNG, Singapore, bali, the moon and mars while you are at it You're only naming locations where you assume a team could be able to go. Doesn't mean they will be successful or even last there. I mean you have to look at this thread to see how desperate you Aussies are to prop up your teams with players when you don't have the talent available for your current teams.




Japan pulled the Sunwolves, simply because they couldn't agree to financial terms. South Africa blamed NZ for pulling out of Super Rugby, because of covid, they had teams in both hemispheres.
And the Jaguares, despite your assertions, came second in 2019 and where doing fine when the comp had to end. Not to mention they were financed directly by World Rugby, And you call me a revisionist. And Fiji offers plenty, of course myopic Aussies never see it.



See, another Australian who doesn't know what they are talking about. There is already contingency for another NZ team. If the comp goes back to pools and has an Aussie pool, NZ pool, there will also be a Japan pool.
Of course if we are going to be as fanciful as you, even the Americas could form a pool. But I will leave the day dreaming up to you.





That is as stupid as it is fanciful. For starters NZR would never allow it, and even if they did, why wouldn't they just funnel their best players in the SR team? Take the money from the NRL and run a crap League team, and put their resources where they really want to.



It really isn't difficult to see. How anyone with more than half a brain can contemplate it is insane.



Yeah but you haven't been right about anything in this thread, and you don't seem to want to start now.

Lol so by your logic every single expansion team in every single sports code in the world is cannibalising their existing teams because they’re taking from the existing player base. What utter stupid nonsense.

As for fans, yes Storm and Titans fans may have been fans of existing teams prior to the creation of the Storm and Titans, but they also weren’t attending many games. It also ignores the reality that they also brought in new fans to the game. If you think that every Storm fan today has always followed Rugby League then, frankly, you’re an idiot.

I’d back the NRL’s opportunities to expand in Australasia over Super Rugby’s. Even the Reds, an existing original franchise, could only get 71,000 national viewers on F2A in Australia. Sorry but that’s pathetic.

Yes Japan pulled the Sunwolves because they were going to drag them into massive debt. South Africa was waiting to ditch Super Rugby for years. And yes the Jaguares had to be financially propped up by World Rugby and even then they were still running at a loss every year. You’re delusional if you think bleeding money is a good thing. And the proof is that Covid restriction are over. They could come back now but they’re not going to. The money just isn’t there to sustain them in Super Rugby.

Lol you think there’s going to be a Japan pool when they couldn’t even prop up one team. You’re a nutter! Even Jaguares didn’t want to go to join Major League Rugby because it’s shit but yeah, tell yourself that they’ll be an American pool in Super Rugby lol.

Thank you for the laughs!

 

[SpaceMonkey]

They'd likely have an 8/10 Super comp, or ditch Super altogether and make a longer NRL style NPC.

NZR pays the players, how many times do we have to tell you that? They pay the ABs, and they pay the Super Squads, and they subsidise a portion of the NPC squads. So whichever way they sort it the players are getting paid the same.

However, that's only if Oz went bye bye, which they likely wont.

At a guess the NZRFU would just restructure the NPC and have the top division replace super rugby, probably keeping the PI teams there. Would be pretty simple just to add Counties-Manukau, BoP, Taranaki, Manawatu, Nelson-Marlborough and Southland and split the existing player squads across them.

 

[Wb1234]

The argument about South Africa was they had too many teams so one was forced out to top 14

then there were complaints by the kiwis mainly that the time zones were horrendous for the competition

jaoan never got any tv money. It was en experiment and was actually successful which was again killed off just as it was successful

the problem with super rugby largely comes down to australia. They shouldn’t have added the force and rebels.

it diluted the limited playing depth then they became cannon fodder for the kiwi sides

super rugby is in terminal decline

New Zealand will struggle to keep its best players at Home

it will have to allow all blacks to play overseas and be eligible for the test team

if the kiwis allowed the Aussie sides to sign kiwi players and still be eligible for the all blacks that could help the Aussie sides

from an nrl point of view they need to get the salary cap up over 15 million pa so they can raid union at will

 

[Gobsmacked]

It's funny, the same 2 trolls that believe small union crowds in NZ will mean big NRL crowds there also believe small union crowds in Perth will mean small NRL crowds in Perth
Great logic.

It almost like it 2 completly different places
And nobody said there was small union crowds in NZ

 

[docbrown]

Sounds like we’re mostly all in agreement about where Super Rugby will be in 10 to 15 years:

* South Africa - never coming back
* Argentina - never coming back
* Japan - never coming back
* USA - pipedream lol
* Fiji - canned
* Australia - at best back to 3 original teams after Rebels and Force are axed but more likely they’ll be in an unwatched Australian only comp on par with that NPC crap
* New Zealand - a pointless 5 to 8 team New Zealand comp but the best All Blacks players are in Europe because of money so the quality is crap

Exciting stuff!

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

Beaten by repeats of Yorkshire vet on a minor seven channel

Just about to watch Cas v Saints 1pm kick-off.

I'll keep an eye out for the Yorkshire vet running on with a wet sponge.

 

[Wb1234]

Just about to watch Cas v Saints 1pm kick-off.

I'll keep an eye out for the Yorkshire vet running on with a wet sponge.

Super league has been getting some amazing crowds so far

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

72k on free to air for the super rugby opener

Would Nine execs have had any idea how low the ratings would be when they negotiated the deal?

If so, why did they sign it?

 

[Wb1234]

Would Nine execs have had any idea how low the ratings would be when they negotiated the deal?

If so, why did they sign it?

Misplaced optimism

they literally used the money they saved on the nrl contract due to covid on taking super rugby away from foxtel

the first season the ratings were much better

there’s a lions tour and a World Cup which will give them decent ratings

 

[Dark Corner]

At a guess the NZRFU would just restructure the NPC and have the top division replace super rugby, probably keeping the PI teams there. Would be pretty simple just to add Counties-Manukau, BoP, Taranaki, Manawatu, Nelson-Marlborough and Southland and split the existing player squads across them.

Thats what I have always thought as it seems madness not using all the stadiums to their potential.

 

[Te Kaha]

Must have been an imperceptibly fine line at L.U. between moderator and troll.

Digital version of the poacher turned gamekeeper trope.

No fine line for anything. Answering in kind has always been done on here.

I've always thought the All Blacks legend can be largely attributed to Oz embracing League in 1908.

Kiwi patriots might claim that NZ were successful in Rugger before that date (1905 All Blacks tour) but as the 20th century went on, Australia would have found ways to dominate.

And yet the Kiwis League team has won in the world cup in the last 15 years and made the final, despite the incredibly small player base.

In fairness, super rugby has lost all it's lustre; south Africa is gone & Australia has stopped caring. NRL is a genuine competition that means something

Unless you live in NZ. then it only means something to a very small amount of people.

It's funny, the same 2 trolls that believe small union crowds in NZ will mean big NRL crowds there also believe small union crowds in Perth will mean small NRL crowds in Perth
Great logic.

Logic has never been there strong suit.

Lol so by your logic every single expansion team in every single sports code in the world is cannibalising their existing teams because they’re taking from the existing player base. What utter stupid nonsense.

Of course they are, look up the definition. Just because you don't like the definition, doesn;t make it untrue.

As for fans, yes Storm and Titans fans may have been fans of existing teams prior to the creation of the Storm and Titans, but they also weren’t attending many games. It also ignores the reality that they also brought in new fans to the game. If you think that every Storm fan today has always followed Rugby League then, frankly, you’re an idiot.

Ahhh, using the straw man argument when you know you're wrong. I said no such thing, but since you know I was right you make shit up.

I’d back the NRL’s opportunities to expand in Australasia over Super Rugby’s. Even the Reds, an existing original franchise, could only get 71,000 national viewers on F2A in Australia. Sorry but that’s pathetic.

Of course you would back it, however the list of places you gave is a "pipe dream".

Yes Japan pulled the Sunwolves because they were going to drag them into massive debt. South Africa was waiting to ditch Super Rugby for years. And yes the Jaguares had to be financially propped up by World Rugby and even then they were still running at a loss every year. You’re delusional if you think bleeding money is a good thing. And the proof is that Covid restriction are over. They could come back now but they’re not going to. The money just isn’t there to sustain them in Super Rugby.

What is it with you Aussies and your narrow thinking? World Rugby supported the Jaguares because it was great development for Argentina. they would have been fine had they been able to continue. But covid killed the comp and their best players went back to Europe. However there is no reason, should they desire it to do exactly the same thing again. Since on the field they were a success.

Lol you think there’s going to be a Japan pool when they couldn’t even prop up one team. You’re a nutter! Even Jaguares didn’t want to go to join Major League Rugby because it’s shit but yeah, tell yourself that they’ll be an American pool in Super Rugby lol.

The sunwolves were covered by the JRU, the teams in their domestic comp are paid by Mitsubishi, Toyota, Toshiba. Who did not support the sunwolves. However a Japan pool would be made up of the Japan League top teams, who would gladly and easily support those teams.
Oh and South Africa have already asked if it was possible to field some teams in Super Rugby, they quite liked the two hemisphere model. It probably wont happen, but its there.

Sounds like we’re mostly all in agreement about where Super Rugby will be in 10 to 15 years:

* South Africa - never coming back
* Argentina - never coming back
* Japan - never coming back
* USA - pipedream lol
* Fiji - canned
* Australia - at best back to 3 original teams after Rebels and Force are axed but more likely they’ll be in an unwatched Australian only comp on par with that NPC crap
* New Zealand - a pointless 5 to 8 team New Zealand comp but the best All Blacks players are in Europe because of money so the quality is crap

Exciting stuff!

Wow... a bunch of no nothing League supporters all agree what they think will happen to a rugby comp... who would have thought that....

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

Ahhh, using the straw man argument when you know you're wrong. I sad no such thing, but since you know I was right you make shit up.

Wow... a bunch of no nothing League supporters all agree what they think will happen to a rugby comp... who would have thought that....

Love the energy.

Like one of those flatulent cesspools in Rotorua.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

And yet the Kiwis League team has won in the world cup in the last 15 years and made the final, despite the incredibly small player base.

The Wallabies won the Union WC twice. Didn't alter the long-term balance of power.

 

[Te Kaha]

Love the energy.

Like one of those flatulent cesspools in Rotorua.

Still trying to be funny, still missing badly.

The Wallabies won the Union WC twice. Didn't alter the long-term balance of power.

And what does "balance of power" have to do with anything? do you like being irrelevant? It was a direct comparison, The Wallabies won the world cup despite the best Rugby players in the country playing League, just like the Kiwis won the world cup despite the best Rugby Players in the country playing Rugby. It simply proves the tired old argument that if Australia only had one "Rugby" code they would win everything. It's a dumb assertion but then those who make it are really very smart to begin with.