New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Pippen94]

I'm not angry or bitter at all, more bemused by how you're doubling down on not knowing the difference between opinion and fact.

I'm not as far removed as you may think. I live in Sydney. One of my mate's is the Chair of a club. Until a year ago I had two friends working for the Tahs.


Rugby is rugby, trying to rework an Australian version of the game as a way to compete with NRL and AFL is straight up bonkers. You can claim world rugby be damned but the biggest upcoming boost for Oz rugby is going to be a RWC played as "actual" rugby.

Last year the most of the "international club side" matches got as good crowds in Australia as the Oz v Oz games.


Australia have multiple times tried to create a successful domestic competition at a level below Super and were unsuccessful multiple times. I'm not as confident as you that Oz can successfully run a competition a level above that, especially in cahoots with Twiggy if he decides he wants more control at some point down the line.


Serious question, what control do you believe NZR has over Oz rugby? What is this particular cage? Your conspiracy theory about NZR trying to keep Oz rugby down so that it's not attractive to league and AFL players is frankly hilarious. It is one I haven't come across before though so it did give me a good chuckle.

You are incorrect about NZR, they were ready to go it alone. It's much more feasible for NZ than it is for Oz. But, NZR, as shitty as they may be at relationships (same with the ARU) know that it is mutually beneficial for both NZ and Oz to work together. Oz rugby isn't going to improve if they just play each other all the time.

Why is this kiwi telling us what's happening with Aussie rugby?! Never mind..

 

[Matua]

Why is this kiwi telling us what's happening with Aussie rugby?! Never mind..

Thank you for yet again confirming you have problems with reading and comprehension.

 

[Pippen94]

Ten's way too many, 6-8 would be more achievable.

They'd also have to accept that they're going to have start at the bottom and build their way up.

Oh god..

Thank you for yet again confirming you have problems with reading and comprehension.

You've spent entire thread telling Aussies they don't know anything about league in nz, now ur preaching about rugby here. This is theme with you..

 

[Gobsmacked]

Im starting to think te kah and Matua are the same person

 

[Te Kaha]

Im starting to think te kah and Matua are the same person

Yeah but you're an idiot who hasn't got anything right in this thread, why would you start now?

 

[Wb1234]

You mean the nations of their parents and grandparents.

The rise of the PIs in league came nearly 30 years after the rise of Samoa in rugby. It's an achievement but not to the level you're hyping it, and as Te Kaha notes Tonga's rise was based on a player's dispute with a coach.

Also no one has ever claimed the ABs don't have the odd PI born players, balanced out by the fact NZ supplies the PI teams with a much larger portion of their players.

Well you said the nrl doesn’t develop int rl

yet in five years samoa and Tonga have overtaken their union counterparts

they could host test matches in the 2029 World Cup too

 

[Wb1234]

Im starting to think te kah and Matua are the same person

Lmao I had this thought as well

great minds ….

 

[Wb1234]

ARU revenue in 2021 was only $100mill. It'd be hard to build a decent standard national comp on that level of income. They'd need 2-3 times that at least for a ten team Australian comp you'd think? For a sport so surrounded by university types and business men they seem to be a pretty poorly run business.

The last time a club union comp was around in Australia to rival league was 1909

it’s pretty funny how they went from owning Harold park racecourse and money in the bank to being basically broke a few years later

we literally copied everything about union (clubs colours district scheme rep schedule) except the rules

 

[Te Kaha]

Well you said the nrl doesn’t develop int rl

yet in five years samoa and Tonga have overtaken their union counterparts

they could host test matches in the 2029 World Cup too

The funny thing is you actually think this is true.

Count how many Rugby and league clubs there are in those nations, and how many players there are domestically and come back and make that claim.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

And what does "balance of power" have to do with anything? do you like being irrelevant? It was a direct comparison, The Wallabies won the world cup despite the best Rugby players in the country playing League, just like the Kiwis won the world cup despite the best Rugby Players in the country playing Rugby.

What?

You were the one who cited the Kiwis' WC victory as relevant to the long-term balance of power between sport in Oz and sport in NZ. I cited the Wallabies' two WC victories to indicate that it was irrelevant.

Think I'll finally conclude that debating with you is a complete waste of time.

No wonder Cindy has nothing left in the tank.

 

[Te Kaha]

What?

You were the one who cited the Kiwis' WC victory as relevant to the long-term balance of power between sport in Oz and sport in NZ. I cited the Wallabies' two WC victories to indicate that it was irrelevant.

Think I'll finally conclude that debating with you is a complete waste of time.

No wonder Cindy has nothing left in the tank.

Comprehension is clearly not your strong suit in no way did I "cite the Kiwis' WC victory as relevant to the long-term balance of power between sport in Oz and sport in NZ. ". That is a blatant falsehood.
I bought it up to counter the stupid statement that If Australia only played Rugby and they had all of their "top class rugby talent" they would dominate, since the Kiwis, having apparently near 0% of the "top class rugby talent" in NZ can beat the best in Australia and win a world cup.

I never mentioned "long-term" anything. You made that shit up.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The fact you didn't include the Magpies seems like a personal attack.

Honestly just wasn’t 100% sure which north island teams to name, just tried to keep it at one additional team per Super franchise. Any of the usual 1st divisions sides would probably be suitable.

 

[Matua]

Oh god..



You've spent entire thread telling Aussies they don't know anything about league in nz, now ur preaching about rugby here. This is theme with you..

They clearly don't know anything about league in NZ, it's obvious by their posts. However, I live in Australia, and as I stated have had friends working for one of the Super teams fairly recently, so I do have some knowledge about rugby over here. It is what it is.

 

[Matua]

Lmao I had this thought as well

great minds ….

TBF, I think there's now four of you lot that I think are the same person.

 

[Matua]

Well you said the nrl doesn’t develop int rl

yet in five years samoa and Tonga have overtaken their union counterparts

they could host test matches in the 2029 World Cup too

No they haven't, international league games are still miserly, we just had the benefit of the world cup so those teams got a little bit more exposure.

 

[Wb1234]

No they haven't, international league games are still miserly, we just had the benefit of the world cup so those teams got a little bit more exposure.

Well at least you knew there was a rlwc on that’s a good thing I guess

but you missed all the social media when the Samoan team went and had a parade back home

Tonga are touring England this year and the arlc will also be hosting internationals

 

[Matua]

Well at least you knew there was a rlwc on that’s a good thing I guess

but you missed all the social media when the Samoan team went and had a parade back home

Tonga are touring England this year and the arlc will also be hosting internationals

Do you think your jibes are funny? I care about the Kiwis more than any other league team. The Kiwis v Roos game was great aside from the stitch up reffing.

Also yep, the support for the Samoan team was great, it reminded me of how the country went crazy in 1991 (pre social media) when the rugby team made the quarter finals.

 

[Te Kaha]

Do you think your jibes are funny? I care about the Kiwis more than any other league team. The Kiwis v Roos game was great aside from the stitch up reffing.

Also yep, the support for the Samoan team was great, it reminded me of how the country went crazy in 1991 (pre social media) when the rugby team made the quarter finals.

These Australians really don't understand Islanders. It doesn't matter what sport they do well in, when they do well on the international stage they are supported big time. It doesn't mean the sport is doing well, it means the country is. He thinks the Islands have been "taken over" by League because their teams were so well supported. He really has no idea about reality.

 

[Wb1234]

Do you think your jibes are funny? I care about the Kiwis more than any other league team. The Kiwis v Roos game was great aside from the stitch up reffing.

Also yep, the support for the Samoan team was great, it reminded me of how the country went crazy in 1991 (pre social media) when the rugby team made the quarter finals.

No I don’t think my jibes are funny

not a bad response though

in now convinced you aren’t that other guy pretending to be normal

 

[The Great Dane]

So, according to you.. the Kiwis with next to no NZ "top contact football talent " can beat the Aus "top contact football talent " and win a world cup, BUT, if All of the Aus "top contact football talent" played Rugby then Aus would dominate... That is some of the dumbest logic on here.

Good job that isn't the logic being used then...

Serious question; do you have comprehension issues or are you just totally incapable of engaging honestly?

BTW, most of the Kiwi's aren't produced by the NZ system, and at this point 80% of international RL players aren't actually from the country that they represent in any meaningful sense of the word. But don't reality get in the way of your story.