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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

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titoelcolombiano said:
Again mate, I'll take his opinion over yours any day as he actually covers sport for a living. And yes, he covers all the major sports in NZ except for RU. In the case of Union he says he follows it but doesn't cover it as he wants his show to have a point of difference as all sports shows cover Union.
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Thanks for providing us an accurate presentation of the game in nz
 
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I think the focus is far too much on union and less about what's good for league. A second NZ side not only adds a local derby but also adds another team with the potential to be good each year. Right now the NRL in NZ is reliant on the warriors and when they've been mostly shit for their entire existence that is a huge anchor on the sport. I think other than that it allows us to retain more NZ talent and might encourage more international footy.

Would it impact union at all? f**ked if I know but that shouldn't be why we make massive decisions like this.
 
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Wb1234 said:
Thanks for providing us an accurate presentation of the game in nz
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Thanks mate, but I can't take any credit, just happy that Chasing Kangaroos have guests like this on. What was said on the podcast makes sense though. Anyone who has eyeballs can see that the number of NZ players in the NRL has never been greater, the Kiwis have never been stronger, the number of NZ born Tongan and Samoan players has never been greater and there are two great positives at the moment:

1. These players aren't just coming from Auckland, they are coming from all around the country

2. There were no Warriors in the Kiwis World Cup squad, that is actually a good thing, it means the game in NZ has grown beyond reliance on one NRL side and it means that all NRL clubs are successfully scouting NZ talent which isn't going to slow down

Covid is behind us now and the Warriors have all of their pathway teams back playing at the highest level and they are putting a big emphasis on development. It is only up from here.
 
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titoelcolombiano said:
Thanks mate, but I can't take any credit, just happy that Chasing Kangaroos have guests like this on. What was said on the podcast makes sense though. Anyone who has eyeballs can see that the number of NZ players in the NRL has never been greater, the Kiwis have never been stronger, the number of NZ born Tongan and Samoan players has never been greater and there are two great positives at the moment:

1. These players aren't just coming from Auckland, they are coming from all around the country

2. There were no Warriors in the Kiwis World Cup squad, that is actually a good thing, it means the game in NZ has grown beyond reliance on one NRL side and it means that all NRL clubs are successfully scouting NZ talent which isn't going to slow down

Covid is behind us now and the Warriors have all of their pathway teams back playing at the highest level and they are putting a big emphasis on development. It is only up from here.
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Bravo

excellent post
 
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titoelcolombiano said:
Thanks mate, but I can't take any credit, just happy that Chasing Kangaroos have guests like this on. What was said on the podcast makes sense though. Anyone who has eyeballs can see that the number of NZ players in the NRL has never been greater, the Kiwis have never been stronger, the number of NZ born Tongan and Samoan players has never been greater and there are two great positives at the moment:

1. These players aren't just coming from Auckland, they are coming from all around the country

2. There were no Warriors in the Kiwis World Cup squad, that is actually a good thing, it means the game in NZ has grown beyond reliance on one NRL side and it means that all NRL clubs are successfully scouting NZ talent which isn't going to slow down

Covid is behind us know and the Warriors have all of their pathway teams back playing at the highest level and they are putting a big emphasis on development. It is only up from here.
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It's on a massive up. The kiwi team in the WC was the best they've ever assembled! There's more kiwi players in the NRL than ever before! All this before the Warriors returned to NZ ! This year they added development teams and next year those development teams effectively triple!

With each passing day a second NZ team becomes more likely. If they wait a year before announcing the 18th team, by that time NZ will be screaming out for another team!
 
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Gobsmacked said:
It's on a massive up. The kiwi team in the WC was the best they've ever assembled! There's more kiwi players in the NRL than ever before! All this before the Warriors returned to NZ ! This year they added development teams and next year those development teams effectively triple!

With each passing day a second NZ team becomes more likely. If they wait a year before announcing the 18th team, by that time NZ will be screaming out for another team!
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Perths best chance is the deal gets done this year

as you say more time works in nz favour
 
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Nothing changes ,team 18 will be based primarily on financial security, tv interest and nrls strategic plan.

re the game in nz, again NZRL revenue $8.8million. That should tell you how big it is. Unles we have genuine registered players numbers annually the discussion on if its growing or shrinking is anecdotal at best.
 
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titoelcolombiano said:
Again mate, I'll take his opinion over yours any day as he actually covers sport for a living. And yes, he covers all the major sports in NZ except for RU. In the case of Union he says he follows it but doesn't cover it as he wants his show to have a point of difference as all sports shows cover Union.
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Of course you will, because it suits your narrative and doesn't require any evidence. It's something you share witht the other idiots in this thread, disliking and ignoring actual factual evidence.
 
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Billythekid said:
I think the focus is far too much on union and less about what's good for league. A second NZ side not only adds a local derby but also adds another team with the potential to be good each year. Right now the NRL in NZ is reliant on the warriors and when they've been mostly shit for their entire existence that is a huge anchor on the sport. I think other than that it allows us to retain more NZ talent and might encourage more international footy.

Would it impact union at all? f**ked if I know but that shouldn't be why we make massive decisions like this.
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I agree, but Gob and his disciples created the thread and have constantly posted on the thread entirely in opposition to rugby.

titoelcolombiano said:
Again mate, I'll take his opinion over yours any day as he actually covers sport for a living. And yes, he covers all the major sports in NZ except for RU. In the case of Union he says he follows it but doesn't cover it as he wants his show to have a point of difference as all sports shows cover Union.
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Dude it's just two blokes talking about sports on their home made website:
"We're just two lads from South Auckland on a mission to broadcast Aotearoa's sporting and creative excellence and Patreon's makes it all possible."
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I quite like their site, they often have good info about what school certain players went to and which players might be eligible for the Kiwis. But, after listening to the podcast @Te Kaha is correct, there was nothing factual there, it's just feels.

Also, it's nothing new for players in the Kiwis to not just be from Auckland, it's not some sea change. For example, the 2008 World Cup winning squad had players from Northland, Wellington, Christchurch, the Naki, Nelson, Waikato, Bay of Plenty etc.

titoelcolombiano said:
2. There were no Warriors in the Kiwis World Cup squad, that is actually a good thing, it means the game in NZ has grown beyond reliance on one NRL side and it means that all NRL clubs are successfully scouting NZ talent which isn't going to slow down
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It's not a good thing. For better or worse the Warriors are the face of league in NZ, it's frankly preposterous that there are so few Warriors in the Kiwis. The Warriors need top NZ players, not Aussie journeymen.
 
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titoelcolombiano said:
1. These players aren't just coming from Auckland, they are coming from all around the country
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One or two players being born means f**k all. How many of those players are raised in Aussie and go through their systems? Selective stats mean nothing.

titoelcolombiano said:
2. There were no Warriors in the Kiwis World Cup squad, that is actually a good thing, it means the game in NZ has grown beyond reliance on one NRL side and it means that all NRL clubs are successfully scouting NZ talent which isn't going to slow down
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Nelson Asofa-Solomona, Born Wellington
Jesse Bromwich, Born Auckland
Kenneath Bromwich, Born Auckland
Dylan Brown, Born Auckland
James Fisher-Harris, Born Northland
Kieran Foran, Born Auckland
Peta Hiku, Born Gisborne
Jahrome Hughes, Born Wellington
Sebastian Kris, Born Brisbane
Moses Leota, Born Auckland
Isaac Liu, Born Auckland
Joseph Manu, Born Hamilton
Jeremy Marshall-King, Born Northland
Ronaldo Mulitalo, Born Auckland
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad, Born Auckland
Briton Nikora, Born Tauranga
Marata Niukore, Born Auckland
Isaiah Papali'i, Born Auckland
Jordan Rapana, Born Wellington
Brandon Smith, Born Auckland
Scott Sorensen, Born Sydney
Joseph Tapine, Born Wellington
Jared Waerea-Hargreaves, Born Rotorua
Dallin Watene-Zelezniak. Born Hamilton

This list shows again you take a pod cast as proof instead of actually doing real research. Of the 24 players selected for the World Cup the breakdown shows Auckland and its surrounds make up well over half the team, and no South Islanders.

Northland 2
Auckland 11
Waikato\Mid 5
Wellington 4
Australia 2
The entire South Island 0
 
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Gobsmacked said:
Te kah bought out his puppet to back him up 🤣
It's pretty obvious now buddy.
Meanwhile a quick check on the Union scene...
www.theroar.com.au

Players, laws and officials are killing rugby: people now care less than ever before

Sometimes I have this dream where after you die, you go to heaven. When you arrive they have edited together your life’s highlights. They’ve…
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An Australian commenting on an Australian site about Australia is somehow relevant to NZ to you? You seriously are getting more stupid with every post.
 
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Gobsmacked said:
Te kah bought out his puppet to back him up 🤣
It's pretty obvious now buddy.
Meanwhile a quick check on the Union scene...
www.theroar.com.au

Players, laws and officials are killing rugby: people now care less than ever before

Sometimes I have this dream where after you die, you go to heaven. When you arrive they have edited together your life’s highlights. They’ve…
www.theroar.com.au
😳🙈
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Their opinions are suspiciously identical

puppet or ventriloquist doll is an accurate description
 
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Well pistol pete does love his tribalism so a local rival for the Warriors might be right up his alley.
 
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