New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Te Kaha]

You mean how RL clubs were begging for cash until they got IMG onboard. . . Let's see how long that last before they balls it up like they did the News money...

You've got a terrible case of the Dunning-Kruger effect when it comes to Union, and that's been demonstrated multiple times throughout this discussion.

You know, being informed and honest about other sports doesn't necessarily make you a fan of their's anymore than reading Das Kapital or Mein Kampf makes you a communist or a Nazi.

He just doesn't like being shown up. It hurts his fragile ego.

 

[Gobsmacked]

You mean how RL clubs were begging for cash until they got IMG onboard. . . Let's see how long that last before they balls it up like they did the News money...

You've got a terrible case of the Dunning-Kruger effect when it comes to Union, and that's been demonstrated multiple times throughout this discussion.

You know, being informed and honest about other sports doesn't necessarily make you a fan of their's anymore than reading Das Kapital or Mein Kampf makes you a communist or a Nazi.

You deathride SL then a paragraph later your just being informed and honest
Can't make this shit up.
A least keep your gaping contradictions to separate posts.

 

[Brian potter]

Kiwi playing depth now is incomparable now

Indeed.

just imagine how closer and more exciting the games today would be even compared to some of the classics of the 90’s!!!

 

[Brian potter]

It was only a decade ago they were relying on SL players

More like 3 decades ago.

I honestly can’t remember who the last super league based kiwi picked for NZ was?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I think this video sums up the power shift in rugby union.


To sum it up, South Africa and New Zealand dominated the 20th century because they selected players from provincial teams. Australia and the other countries selected their players from lower standard club competitons.

Queensland and New South Wales didn't many games throughout the bulk of the 20th century. This changed in the 1970s when the Queensland team began to play more games than any other province in the world. Queensland started to dominate New South Wales during this period and it lead to Australia's rise in the 80s and 90s.

ACT joined Super 12 with a team that had a lot of experience playing alongside one another. The Brumbies and Reds were largely responsible for Australia's dominance in the late 90s and early 00s.

The problem for Australia is all of this broke down when the ARU expanded into Perth and Melbourne. It weakened the Queensland side the most and broke up player combinations. When Australia was winning they had thw most experienced player combinations in the world, with players lining up alongside one another for their states and clubs long before winning a cap for the Wallabies.

The Celtic nations went from having lots of clubs to fielding a few provincial teams in a new competition in the early 2000s. Before this happened the previous fourteen Six/Five Nations titles were won by England and France on 12 occasions. Since then Wales and Ireland have won more titles than England and France.

New Zealand and Australia have been hurt by professional competitions in Japan and Europe stealing their players.

 

[Wb1234]

Indeed.

just imagine how closer and more exciting the games today would be even compared to some of the classics of the 90’s!!!

Nz has beaten Australia loads of times

nobody is saying nz aren’t competitive

they are

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

More like 3 decades ago.

I honestly can’t remember who the last super league based kiwi picked for NZ was?

The Paul Brothers were based in the Super League.

 

[Matua]

He only wanted to play for the all blacks when they wouldn’t let him play origin

he did actually play for nsw at under 19 level

I was talking about RTS, SBW wasn't born in Samoa.

 

[Matua]

Based on what evidence?
You might have missed it but australia just won it again without breaking a sweat.

They were sweating a bit in the Kiwis match, until they realised the officials had their back ....

 

[Pippen94]

I'm starting to think nz doesn't deserve a 2nd team.

 

[Matua]

More like 3 decades ago.

I honestly can’t remember who the last super league based kiwi picked for NZ was?

Thomas Leuluai is the most recent one who was regularly picked.

 

[Wb1234]

They were sweating a bit in the Kiwis match, until they realised the officials had their back ....

Kiwis stopped the offloads after half time

they went back in their shells and allowed the Aussies to grind them

kiiwis had the perfect game plan to beat Australia which was through lots of offloads and a quick tempo then after half time they just stuck with one out runs and a ling kick on last … the kind of play australia dominates in

 

[Brian potter]

Nz has beaten Australia loads of times

nobody is saying nz aren’t competitive

they are

They weren’t 25-30 years ago.

 

[Brian potter]

The Paul Brothers were based in the Super League.

20-25 years ago.

 

[bad boy bubby]

This just popped up in my YouTube feed. Not sure if it's been posted so apologies if it has. It was put up 5 days ago.
It's a pretty decent vid, very even handed.

 

[Matua]

This just popped up in my YouTube feed. Not sure if it's been posted so apologies if it has. It was put up 5 days ago.
It's a pretty decent vid, very even handed.

It's already been posted and critiqued in the thread.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

This just popped up in my YouTube feed. Not sure if it's been posted so apologies if it has. It was put up 5 days ago.
It's a pretty decent vid, very even handed.

I watched that a couple of days ago. It's spot on the money.

 

[bad boy bubby]

It's already been posted and critiqued in the thread.

Hence why I said sorry if it had been posted. I gave up a while ago trying to read all of this painful thread.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Go back to 1987

the pi have been strong in the World Cup

you think many people in Italy or Argentina give a stuff about union ? Lol

As someone who has spent lots of time in South America including Argentina, most don't know what Ruby is and of the Argies that have heard of it or know of the Pumas, they don't really give a shit.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You're completely ignorant of RU if you think that other nations haven't got more competitive in RU.

The Brave Blossoms are a great example. The progress they've made over the last 30 years is astounding.

The competitiveness has absolutely come from the drop off from Southern Hemisphere nations.

And no, filling your squad with Aussies, Kiwis, Tongans and South Africans and calling the team 'Japan' isn't that impressive. It's exactly what you criticise the Tongan and Samoan RL teams for, but at least those players are culturally Tongan and Samoan.