New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Wb1234]

Warriors should’ve applied for rts if this was a thing

I suspect the clubs won’t support this as it means less profits for them

 

[Wb1234]

Naming Nathan Cleary as a target is an act of war.
Rugby Australia might not realise that this isn't a war they want.
If they want it, it will most certainly result in their death.

Rugby News: Hamish froths at 'mind blowing' Cleary link, Quade comeback not all it seems, Wallabies in white at WC

Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan says the prospect of bringing Penrith NRL star Nathan Cleary to the Wallabies is "mind blowing" as the sparring…

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There’s no war

despite what the boss of union said there was no approach made to Payne haas

this is is just publicity stunt

 

[mongoose]

Poaching top League players is an awful strategy anyway. It sends a message that the best chance of becoming a Wallaby is to play NRL.

 

[Colk]

Naming Nathan Cleary as a target is an act of war.
Rugby Australia might not realise that this isn't a war they want.
If they want it, it will most certainly result in their death.

Rugby News: Hamish froths at 'mind blowing' Cleary link, Quade comeback not all it seems, Wallabies in white at WC

Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan says the prospect of bringing Penrith NRL star Nathan Cleary to the Wallabies is "mind blowing" as the sparring…

www.theroar.com.au

Australian rugby is not your real risk anyway. If it’s about money then overseas rugby in Japan or France etc is your bigger risk. They can spend more than what clubs can in the NRL.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Australian rugby is not your real risk anyway. If it’s about money then overseas rugby in Japan or France etc is your bigger risk. They can spend more than what clubs can in the NRL.

That's true but that's just the player angle. The real issue is Rugby in the Pacific isa direct rival for broadcasting, sponsors and gate recipes. If they get the best talent in their comp.. what else follows and vis versa..
As it stands, the Wallabies will rate on TV . If they have stars ( noted stars because they played NRL) and perform they will win more sponsors, gate recipes and television revenue...
That will directly effect the NRL broadcasting negotiations and so on.

We need it going the other way!
We need thier stars, thier revenue pie, sponsorship dollars ect..
We do that we make more and rival what they pay anywhere.
We need to take over the Pacific.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Warriors should’ve applied for rts if this was a thing

I suspect the clubs won’t support this as it means less profits for them

Pretty sure they would have, this is just a bonus for them. Warriors management have stated they’re specifically targeting players that they lost during Covid and RTS would’ve been #1 on that list.

 

[Wb1234]

I thought nz playing numbers were declining and the game was doing badly below nrl level

 

[Te Kaha]

I thought nz playing numbers were declining and the game was doing badly below nrl level

FMD... its a proven empirical fact that player numbers in NZ are declining. And you think a Warriors team doing well proves otherwise? You're getting dumber by the day.

 

[Te Kaha]

He did make it to the All Blacks team though, so if that's what you call 'unable to make it in NZ Rugby' then sure...

Ok so he made it for a total 90 minutes on the field. His "dream" was to play in the world cup. That's not going to happen.

 

[Gobsmacked]

FMD... its a proven empirical fact that player numbers in NZ are declining. And you think a Warriors team doing well proves otherwise? You're getting dumber by the day.

I think you're going to see a massive boost to playing numbers in NZ over the next few years.

 

[Te Kaha]

I think you're going to see a massive boost to playing numbers in NZ over the next few years.

Yeah but what you think has never been accurate in this thread.

 

[Perth Red]

I think you're going to see a massive boost to playing numbers in NZ over the next few years.

That will only happen If the arlc ups the annual payment to nzrl from $700k to $7million plus.

 

[The Great Dane]

That will only happen If the arlc ups the annual payment to nzrl from $700k to $7million plus.

The NZRL would just piss that $7mil away with nothing to show for it as well. The NRL and ARLC would be better off cutting out the middle man and doing it themselves if they're actually serious about growing the sport in the grassroots in NZ.

I reckon the NRL are more than happy with the status quo at the moment though. Minimal effort for a reasonable return, no real risk, it's practically heaven for a sport that has a proven track record of being highly risk averse and lacking ambition.

 

[Te Kaha]

The NZRL would just piss that $7mil away with nothing to show for it as well. The NRL and ARLC would be better off cutting out the middle man and doing it themselves if they're actually serious about growing the sport in the grassroots in NZ.

Problem with that, if you bypassed a national organisation to run a seperate one, no matter how "good" intentioned, you immediately kill the legitimacy of the NZRL and by extension international competition.

I reckon the NRL are more than happy with the status quo at the moment though. Minimal effort for a reasonable return, no real risk, it's practically heaven for a sport that has a proven track record of being highly risk averse and lacking ambition.

And this is one of the main reasons why NZ2 wont be happening anytime soon, if at all.
The NRL clubs are free to rape whatever junior nurseries are left at little cost and only one local team to compete against.
SkyTV have already indicated they are at max capacity, undoubtedly the next TV deal will be much less than it is now.
Aussie TV will want another Aussie club to help them target subs and adds to.
Existing Clubs wont want a club that brings no new money to the table.
No NZ bids or even noise about bids. Chalmers "30 mil" has also dried up.
Even the Warrior's who actually run an NRL club in NZ, unlike those on here, say another NZ club added without the millions spent of developing juniors and pathways would be a disaster. ( There was a genius who said EXACTLY that 200 odd pages ago in this thread)

It's really a no brainer which country will have the next team, its simple economics.

 

[The Great Dane]

Problem with that, if you bypassed a national organisation to run a seperate one, no matter how "good" intentioned, you immediately kill the legitimacy of the NZRL and by extension international competition.

In that hypothetical the goal would be to effectively replace the NZRL with a new, hopefully more competent, organisation that the NRL/ARLC would have stronger oversight over and be capable of safely investing in and working with as seamlessly as possible. In other words killing the NZRL's legitimacy would kind of be the point.

That wouldn't necessitate killing the legitimacy of international competition either. If anything you could make it more authentic by creating a stronger Kiwi based product and pathways. This all assumes that the NRL backed organisation would actually do a better job than the NZRL is, which I freely admit wouldn't be a given.

Besides there's very little legitimacy to international RL at this point and most teams are all smoke and mirrors anyway, so who really cares. If things go south they can just astroturf the Kiwi's like they do most other nation's sides.

This is a just a flippant hypothetical anyway, and I'm not necessarily advocating for it. My point was simply that the NZRL have proven themselves incompetent time and time again, and that this isn't a problem that can be solved by throwing more money at it. If anything throwing more money at it will just make it worse.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Ok so he made it for a total 90 minutes on the field. His "dream" was to play in the world cup. That's not going to happen.

You said he was unable to make it. He played for the All Blacks. If that is not "making it" in NZRU then there are a tonne of RU players that don't "make it"

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Naming Nathan Cleary as a target is an act of war.
Rugby Australia might not realise that this isn't a war they want.
If they want it, it will most certainly result in their death.

Rugby News: Hamish froths at 'mind blowing' Cleary link, Quade comeback not all it seems, Wallabies in white at WC

Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan says the prospect of bringing Penrith NRL star Nathan Cleary to the Wallabies is "mind blowing" as the sparring…

www.theroar.com.au

Umm Cleary has just played in front of 68k at Old Trafford Hamish, you Muppet and in 3 years time will probably play in a RLWC Final in France too

 

[titoelcolombiano]

FMD... its a proven empirical fact that player numbers in NZ are declining. And you think a Warriors team doing well proves otherwise? You're getting dumber by the day.

Their pathways are clearly stacked mate. It's been shown many times now that you are spinning a story about RL in NZ that just isn't true

 

[Te Kaha]

You said he was unable to make it. He played for the All Blacks. If that is not "making it" in NZRU then there are a tonne of RU players that don't "make it"

He switched to fulfil his dreams of being an All Black, which he did for a total of 90 minutes across three games. But specifically to play for the All Blacks in the World Cup which he has been unable to do. If he thought he would make it, he is young enough to still be available at the next world cup, but he has seen he wont make it, so he has switched back.

 

[Te Kaha]

Their pathways are clearly stacked mate. It's been shown many times now that you are spinning a story about RL in NZ that just isn't true

Bullshit. There are numerous articles linked on here which show play numbers are in decline. That is a FACT. There are numerous articles that show player numbers, teams and entire clubs, in both ChCh and Wellington are in decline. That also is a FACT.

Showing that the Warriors have a "junior" team doesn't change those facts. Now tell me again how I'm "spinning a story about RL in NZ that just isn't true"... And show ANY story that shows League in NZ isn't exactly what i have been saying.

Even the ARL says it's true

'Startling' decline drives Auckland Rugby League into action

Auckland Rugby League are refusing to hide behind Covid-19 as they try to halt a 'startling' decline in male playing numbers.

www.rnz.co.nz

This line especially ... "Sport New Zealand statistics show playing numbers in rugby league have declined faster than any sport in the country's biggest city during the past 10 years."