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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

The Great Dane

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Incorrect as usual they averaged 34k in 2019, 37k in 2018, 36k in 2017 and 36k in 2016... not really that different to 36k in 2023.

Oh and they were averaging 39k in 1997 so their crowds growth grew during the SL war and stagnated as soon as it finished... but that had nothing to do with it of course right Dane?
I don't understand what this has to do with them having the highest attendance in Sydney for decades despite the AFL being a minor sport in Sydney, but I can't be bothered arguing. . .

I guess this is another thing we can add to the list of realities you refuse to accept because of your disdain for the AFL and irrational need to downplay all their achievements, especially where they've been more successful than the NRL or RL.
 
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The Great Dane

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If we’re dealing in anecdotes - none of the NSW/QLD expats I know down here follow the Storm, they follow their own teams from NSW/QLD. You see plenty of people of Maori & Islander appearance at games but certainly not a majority. Also you’ll probably find quite a lot of those “Islanders & Kiwis” were born and raised in Victoria or have lived the majority of their lives here.
That's my general experience of NSW and QLD expats in Canberra as well.

In my experience you're more likely to find expats from WA, VIC, and SA who didn't follow the NRL before moving to Canberra start following the Raiders than expats from NSW and QLD who already followed another NRL side.
 

The Great Dane

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You guys are off chops if you think the NRL will become a bigger sport then the All Blacks.

And that a sudden decline in success for the ABs would suddenly see people shifting to League.(as an aside, wouldn't the same apply to the Kiwis)?

Our game doesn't have to be No1 though(f**k it isn't even in Australia), we just need a good foothold and a strong supporter base

The Maltildas argument ignores that this was a once in a lifetime event.
I agree that any talk of RL outgrowing RU or the All Blacks in NZ any time in the foreseeable future is at best fanciful, but I don't think it's impossible that the NRL could build a handful of solid clubs in NZ that are at least competitive in size to their Super Rugby counterparts, or maybe even grow to be bigger than them in time.
 
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I'll just tell you between you and me.
Pretend it's just us while you read this.
This is what I know and you know.

Perth crowds aren't going to be great, borderline worst in the league - that's on any like for like scenario after the honeymoon period.

The travel tyranny is the worst in the league bar none.

The ability to attract talent will be the worst in the league bar none.

The costs associated with running a club will be the worst in the league bar none.

They will have the smallest supply of talent in the league bar none.

Those are what YOU and I know for a fact.
If you want to have a discussion about a possible Perth team, I'm all for it. I'm all for a Perth team tbh but let's stick to the FACTS.

The ARLC would have to fit the travel expenses of flying players from Perth to the east coast. It would be a significant burden on the game.

The "time zone" factor might be of interest to Foxtel, but it is a hindrance to Ch9. Perth cannot host a game on Thursday or Friday night. The only Ch9 timeslot it could host is Sunday afternoon, which is 2pm AWST. Sponsors will spend less money on a team that is buried on Foxtel.

Players from Queensland, NSW and NZ will always choose to play for a club from the east coast over one from Perth unless they're paid overs.
 

Perth Red

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The ARLC would have to fit the travel expenses of flying players from Perth to the east coast. It would be a significant burden on the game.

The "time zone" factor might be of interest to Foxtel, but it is a hindrance to Ch9. Perth cannot host a game on Thursday or Friday night. The only Ch9 timeslot it could host is Sunday afternoon, which is 2pm AWST. Sponsors will spend less money on a team that is buried on Foxtel.

Players from Queensland, NSW and NZ will always choose to play for a club from the east coast over one from Perth unless they're paid overs.
Haha it’s a $600million game! Paying around $1/2mill or less than 0.1% of revenue in travel and accomodation costs for a new club won’t kill the nrl. It will be more for a png in cairns or a nz2 side.

perth will likely play majority of its home games on ptv on a Sunday afternoon wast. Away games will be a mix of fta and ptv Depending on opponent.

again last point is your opinion. Same could have been said for Melbourne, they seem to have done ok.
 
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perth will likely play majority of its home games on ptv on a Sunday afternoon wast. Away games will be a mix of fta and ptv Depending on opponent.

Why would Ch9 want to air a game featuring Perth as the away team on a Thursday or Friday night?

If it's against a Brisbane team then the ratings will be shit in Sydney. If it's against a Sydney team then the ratings in Brisbane will tank.

Neutrals won't be interested in watching Perth unless the team is a juggernaut like the Storm.

It's very likely that a Perth-based team will assemble a mediocre roster. Marquee players want to play for teams that can contend for the premiership. If the team gets smashed every week then the club will struggle to draw a crowd. It's not like Brisbane where big crowds turned up to Lang Park to watch the Dolphins at the end of the season, despite the fact the team was getting smashed each week.

again last point is your opinion. Same could have been said for Melbourne, they seem to have done ok.

Melbourne isn't on the other side of the country. It doesn't take 5hr40min to get from Brisbane to Melbourne.
 

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Travel costs are essentially negligible in 2023 for a business the size and scope of the NRL.

f**k I wouldn't be surprised if most regional teams have their travel expenses "sponsored" anyway.

The Cowboys, Storm and Broncos have always had some form of airline sponsoring them over the years (Skytrans, Tiger, Air Asia etc etc.).

And even if they didn't the NRL handout would comfortably cover those costs.
 

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Why would Ch9 want to air a game featuring Perth as the away team on a Thursday or Friday night?

If it's against a Brisbane team then the ratings will be shit in Sydney. If it's against a Sydney team then the ratings in Brisbane will tank.

Neutrals won't be interested in watching Perth unless the team is a juggernaut like the Storm.

It's very likely that a Perth-based team will assemble a mediocre roster. Marquee players want to play for teams that can contend for the premiership. If the team gets smashed every week then the club will struggle to draw a crowd. It's not like Brisbane where big crowds turned up to Lang Park to watch the Dolphins at the end of the season, despite the fact the team was getting smashed each week.



Melbourne isn't on the other side of the country. It doesn't take 5hr40min to get from Brisbane to Melbourne.
For $1/2mill plus ayear and a chance to play in nrl I. Sure they’ll cope with an extra coupe of hours flight every few months to pop back and see the folks lol we had kids coming to perth from nz and east coast just to play in our sg ball side.

The trick is to create a club people want to play for, the distance becomes negligible after that. I mean tigers can’t sign anyone and they are smack bang in middle of Sydney, what’s that telling you?
 

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Travel costs are essentially negligible in 2023 for a business the size and scope of the NRL.

f**k I wouldn't be surprised if most regional teams have their travel expenses "sponsored" anyway.

The Cowboys, Storm and Broncos have always had some form of airline sponsoring them over the years (Skytrans, Tiger, Air Asia etc etc.).

And even if they didn't the NRL handout would comfortably cover those costs.
NRL itself covers all travel and accomodation costs of clubs. I’d be surprised if they don’t have some partner deals with airlines and hotels accordingly.
 

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Surprisingly, or not, afl has virgin and Accor as a recognised partner, nrl no airline or hotel partner in their corporate list. Kind of weird given they fly 200 people around the country every week?
 

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I wonder if in afl the hq manages all travel and accomodation through its partner agreements and nrl clubs organise their own and charge back to nrl hq?
 

titoelcolombiano

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Very much so,
-less than 10,000 players
-less than half the registered players of Union,Soccer and Basketball
-Only 13 out of 110 high schools actually offer League as an option. And this is the ‘strongest’ place in NZ for League and it’s extremely amateur in how the governing body is run compared to the above sports.

As an entertainment product yes THIS year attendance has been outstanding but that will quickly dip if they can’t keep the momentum going.
Free to air coverage is a big hurdle as well, (May have changed as I haven’t watched free to air in years) but it wouldn’t be uncommon to have to wait until 10-11pm (or later) to watch a delayed free to air telecast of a Warriors game.

I can’t see a world where another team in Auckland is a better idea than a team in Wellington/CHCH/Hamilton
The NRL is finally investing in NZ, the momentum will not slow this time.

So you'd rather a team in a city with a 300k population than a second one in a city of 1.7M? Ok
 

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