New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[BuffaloRules]

Ok Perth red.

Get a life.

Neck up

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There are several weeks of the year where Nine shows the Sat night game in addition to the other three

Only during the last 5 or so rounds of the season.

… FTA can bid for and show games they like… the AFL don’t seem to be hindered by this,,,

The AFL CEO doesn't have to worry about the clubs ralllying to get him sacked for not appeasing the incumbent holders of the broadcast rights. Dave Smith and Todd Greenberg were punted by the clubs for standing up to the Foxtel. Then the clubs whinged when our most recent deal turned out to be favourable to the incumbent hosts.

Foxtel can pay for the exclusive rights if they outbid 10…

If history repeats itself then Murdoch will throw a tantrum and refuse to deal with the NRL until it appoints a leader who is willing to kiss his arse. He did it to Smith and f**ked us over at the most recent deal.

Dont talk to me about ”most likely scenarios”… we are still a couple of years away from the negotiations… things dont necessarily stay the same..

Everytime the rights are up for grabs I'm told we'll get more than AwFuL because our ratings are apparently better than theirs. Every time the deals are announced, AwFuL get way more and leave us wondering why we've been shortchanged. I hope things change for the better, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

The NRL need to maximise their TV money this tiime if they want to fund another three teams

They also need the broadcasters to be on the same page. We can go to them and demand they pay us another $60m on top of what we're getting to fund expansion. They can respond by telling us to "get f**ked".

We need to be realistic and accept that we're not in a position to dictate terms. Foxtel and Ch7 have AwFuL locked away until the end of 2031. Cricket Australia is locked away with both networks until 2030-31.

Is there any guarantee Foxtel will have the money needed to pay us what we need to fund three expansion teams?

They've already increased the price of Kayo and Foxtel to recoup some of the money they've spent on the new AwFuL and Cricket Australia deals.

They won't want to lose NRL, but I fear they won't break the bank to keep it. Mr Murdoch told us several years ago that fumbleball is Foxtel's "preferred game". Foxtel's actions over the years prove they don't value us as much as the other mob.

I'm hoping Ch9/STAN get the rights. Having the NRL and rugby union on the same platform would be a huge boost for those who watch both sports. There would be rugby union fans who don't mind watching the odd NRL game, but no longer have Foxtel or Kayo since Ch9/STAN got the rights for RU.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Only during the last 5 or so rounds of the season.



The AFL CEO doesn't have to worry about the clubs ralllying to him sacked by the clubs. Dave Smith and Todd Greenberg were punted by the clubs for standing up to the incumbent broadcasters. Then they whinged when our most recent deal turned out to be favourable to the incumbents.



If history repeats itself then Murdoch will throw a tantrum and refuse to deal with the NRL until it appoints a leader who is willing to kiss his arse. He did it to Smith and f**ked us over at the most recent deal.



Everytime the rights are up for grabs I'm told we'll get more than AwFuL because our ratings are apparently better than theirs. Every time the deals are announced, AwFuL ends up getting way more than us and leave us wondering why we're shortchanged. I hope things do change for the better, but I'm not getting my hopes up.



They also need the broadcasters to be on the same page as us. We can go to them and demand they pay us another $60m on top of what we're getting to fund expansion. They can respond by telling us to get f**ked.

We need to be realistic and accept that we're not in a position to dictate terms. Foxtel and Ch7 have AwFuL locked away until the end of 2031. Cricket is locked away with both networks until 2030-31.

Will Foxtel have the money needed to pay us what we need to fund three expansion teams?

They've already increased the price of Kayo and Foxtel to recoup some of the money they've spent on the new AwFuL and Cricket Australia deals.

They won't want to lose NRL, but fear they won't break the bank to keep it. Mr Murdoch told us several years ago that fumbleball is Foxtel's "preferred game".

I'm hoping Ch9/STAN get the rights. Having the NRL and rugby union on the same platform would be a huge boost for those who watch both sports. There would be rugby union fans who don't mind watching the odd NRL game, but no longer have Foxtel or Kayo since Ch9/STAN got the rights for RU.

I’ve noticed already that Its pointless arguing with you…

when you get called on something you have said that is incorrect, you just ignore it or sidestep to something else

 

[Gobsmacked]

I’ve noticed already that Its pointless arguing with you…

when you get called on something you have said that is incorrect, you just ignore it or sidestep to something else

At least he doesn't open another account

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I’ve noticed already that Its pointless arguing with you…

when you get called on something you have said that is incorrect, you just ignore it or sidestep to something else

What did I say that's incorrect?

 

[BuffaloRules]

At least he doesn't open another account

I told you to Neck up

 

[BuffaloRules]

What did I say that's incorrect?

Pretty much everything

 

[Canard]

There are several weeks of the year where Nine shows the Sat night game in addition to the other three … FTA can bid for and show games they like… the AFL don’t seem to be hindered by this,,,

Foxtel can pay for the exclusive rights if they outbid 10…

Dont talk to me about ”most likely scenarios”… we are still a couple of years away from the negotiations… things dont necessarily stay the same..

The NRL need to maximise their TV money this tiime if they want to fund another three teams

Fox will have exclusive Saturday games (a la NRL) when the new TV deal kicks in. And a shitload more Thu night games. They are basically copying the NRL model.

Full details: Fox Footy strikes new AFL broadcast deal running until end of 2031

Full details: Fox Footy strikes new AFL broadcast deal running until end of 2031

www.foxsports.com.au

The more retired Rupert Murdoch saying "AFL was preferred" was posturing and handball tactics, not a literal directive for his Lachlan to follow.

Lachlan was a board member of the Broncos at one time.

And as for combining the viewing figures of Union fans with League. That's such an non issue it's not funny.

They have a tiny viewership that's not worth anything.

 

[Bukowski]

I’ve noticed already that Its pointless arguing with you…

when you get called on something you have said that is incorrect, you just ignore it or sidestep to something else

Best putting him on ignore. Trust me, you don't miss anything.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Fox will have exclusive Saturday games (a la NRL) when the new TV deal kicks in. And a shitload more Thu night games. They are basically copying the NRL model.

Full details: Fox Footy strikes new AFL broadcast deal running until end of 2031

Full details: Fox Footy strikes new AFL broadcast deal running until end of 2031

www.foxsports.com.au

The more retired Rupert Murdoch saying "AFL was preferred" was posturing and handball tactics, not a literal directive for his Lachlan to follow.

Lachlan was a board member of the Broncos at one time.

And as for combining the viewing figures of Union fans with League. That's such an non issue it's not funny.

They have a tiny viewership that's not worth anything.

Cheers ..

The next negotiations will have new people heading up the various parties…

Rupert might be dead by then… but Lachlan will make his own mind up..

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Pretty much everything

If that's the case then cite actual evidence to disprove what I've written.

Can you do that or will it make your brain cell sore?

All you've done is waffle on about the possibility of Ch10 getting a Sun 6pm game. The probability of this coming to fruition is so low it's laughable for you to act as if it's a realistic option.

It's ludicrous for you to suggest Foxtel will sell a Sun 6pm game to Ch10.

The only reason we have a Saturday night game on Ch9 during the last five rounds is because of the furore between Dave Smith and News Ltd. Dave Smith signed a deal with Ch9, guaranteeing them four games per round. One of those four games was on Saturday night.

Don't take my word for it. Here's a SMH article confirming it.

Channel Nine has secured the rights to screen live rugby league matches from Thursday to Sunday nights, and one State of Origin match will be played on a Sunday, as part of a new $925 million free-to-air TV deal with the NRL.

NRL chief executive officer Dave Smith said the number of live games to be shown on free-to-air television would increase from two at present to four.

Channel Nine gets four games live a week in new NRL $925 million TV deal

amp.smh.com.au

This pissed off Rupert Murdoch because it killed their Super Saturday line up of three games exclusively live on Foxtel. After Smith was sacked and Murdoch shunned the NRL, Ch9 sold the Saturday night game back to Foxtel -- along with simulcast rights for the other three games they held exclusive rights to until that point. Part of the deal was Ch9 got a Saturday game during the last 5 or so rounds. NRL didn't get any money from this deal between Foxtel and Ch9. We were left with a 6pm Friday game that is terrible for crowds.

The price the NRL will expect for the key 7.30pm Saturday time slot, should it be sold to Fox Sports and therefore no longer be available to every household in Australia, is critical to the final overarching deal.

Nine, keen to reduce costs, will demand $40 million per year, reducing by $200 million, the $925 million deal negotiated with outgoing NRL chief executive Dave Smith.

Fox Sports has offered $130 million a year for the other four games.

Nine's costs could be further reduced by $100 million over five years if Fox Sports agree to simulcast Nine's Thursday night, Friday night and Sunday afternoon games.

This would mean Nine paying a total of $625 million, a still significant 39 per cent increase on the $450 million it paid for the same number of games in the current contract.

However, as leading sports media rights advisor Colin Smith points out, the NRL has surrendered competitive tension to Nine, allowing it to sell a game to a rival broadcaster and therefore becoming the effective holder of first and last rights.

This is an ironic twist considering rugby league's last TV deal was a desperate battle by ARL commissioners to successfully extricate themselves from News Corporation's first and last rights, which extended to 2027, a win that contributed to News Ltd boss Kim Williams losing his job.

NRL TV deal worth $1.9 billion if Nine sell out to Fox Sports

Channel Nine have become the effective holder of first and last rights of NRL's broadcast deal.

www.smh.com.au

The game's governing body came in for criticism in August after announcing it had sold the free-to-air television rights to Nine and was accused of leaving News Corp Australia and Telstra out of the negotiations.

It created a schism between News Corp and chief executive Dave Smith, who stepped down last month.

Following Smith's departure, News Corp reached out to ARL Commission chairman John Grant and all four parties were brought back to the negotiating table.

After the NRL announced its deal with Nine earlier in the year, News Corp delivered a thinly veiled swipe at the 13-man code.

At the announcement of the AFL's $2.5 billion six-year television deal with Foxtel, Telstra and the Seven Network, News Corp chief executive Rupert Murdoch quipped that his company had "always believed (AFL) is the premium code in Australia".

In a shot across the NRL's bow, he promised his company would commit resources to the AFL and help it expand into league heartland in Queensland and NSW.

NRL announces $1.8 billion broadcast deal

The NRL has confirmed the largest broadcast deal in the history of the game, worth $1.8 billion over five years.

www.sbs.com.au

Tell me which part of this is "wrong"?

Foxtel chases bigger share in NRL TV deal – The Roar

 

[Dark Corner]

No idea on the second question.

My point was that CRL don't own RL Park. I think the stadium where Crusaders played was irreparably damaged in the earthquake. A deal was done for them to play at a patched-up RL Park. And they were given priority because Union is the bigger code. Which eventually led the council to find a new home for League at Nga Puna Wai.

Why did they build a 20000 stadium for Rugby League in the first place.

 

[Matiunz]

The NRL is finally investing in NZ, the momentum will not slow this time.

So you'd rather a team in a city with a 300k population than a second one in a city of 1.7M? Ok

No i think gaining new supporters in either Wellington (including surrounding provinces as done currently by the Hurricanes) and South Island both with 1m + populations is a better idea than than dividing the Warriors heartland of 1.5m by 2. Dividing Auckland in 2 gives an each team if evenly split 750k of the city, significantly diminishing the Warriors core market.
A Hamilton base at least adds 800k -1m to the new teams fan base using the chiefs catchment model
So yes Auckland 2 Is definitely the least desirable of those 4 scenarios

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

Why did they build a 20000 stadium for Rugby League in the first place.

Used to be smaller when it was Addington Showgrounds. Bit of terracing behind one goal and the stand opposite the main was much narrower.

Found an article covering the last GF to be played there in 2018. Contains these passages -

"The Canterbury Rugby League leased the Showgrounds from 1951. It owned the stands, but not the land. After the earthquakes, the CRL was between a rock and a hard place. Surrender the terms of its lease to allow a temporary stadium to be constructed to stage Crusaders games, or play on obstinately and earn the ire of the general sporting public".

"The Showgrounds hosted many of the great matches in Canterbury Rugby League history, including victories over touring teams and the memorable 1992 National Championship Final when 12 000 watched Frank Endacott's classy Canterbury team smoke an Auckland side stacked with Kiwis and English club pros".

 

[Dark Corner]

Used to be smaller when it was Addington Showgrounds. Bit of terracing behind one goal and the stand opposite the main was much narrower.

Found an article covering the last GF to be played there in 2018. Contains these passages -

"The Canterbury Rugby League leased the Showgrounds from 1951. It owned the stands, but not the land. After the earthquakes, the CRL was between a rock and a hard place. Surrender the terms of its lease to allow a temporary stadium to be constructed to stage Crusaders games, or play on obstinately and earn the ire of the general sporting public".

"The Showgrounds hosted many of the great matches in Canterbury Rugby League history, including victories over touring teams and the memorable 1992 National Championship Final when 12 000 watched Frank Endacott's classy Canterbury team smoke an Auckland side stacked with Kiwis and English club pros".

I know nothing abouth the New Zealand Rugby League structure so was Canterbury a team and not a League in Canterbury ?

 

[Perth Red]

I know nothing abouth the New Zealand Rugby League structure so was Canterbury a team and not a League in Canterbury ?

Canterbury is the rugby league region, the CRL are the equivalent of nswrl or qrl etc

 

[BuffaloRules]

If that's the case then cite actual evidence to disprove what I've written.

Can you do that or will it make your brain cell sore?

All you've done is waffle on about the possibility of Ch10 getting a Sun 6pm game. The probability of this coming to fruition is so low it's laughable for you to act as if it's a realistic option.

It's ludicrous for you to suggest Foxtel will sell a Sun 6pm game to Ch10.

The only reason we have a Saturday night game on Ch9 during the last five rounds is because of the furore between Dave Smith and News Ltd. Dave Smith signed a deal with Ch9, guaranteeing them four games per round. One of those four games was on Saturday night.

Don't take my word for it. Here's a SMH article confirming it.

Channel Nine has secured the rights to screen live rugby league matches from Thursday to Sunday nights, and one State of Origin match will be played on a Sunday, as part of a new $925 million free-to-air TV deal with the NRL.​

​

NRL chief executive officer Dave Smith said the number of live games to be shown on free-to-air television would increase from two at present to four.​

​

Channel Nine gets four games live a week in new NRL $925 million TV deal

amp.smh.com.au

This pissed off Rupert Murdoch because it killed their Super Saturday line up of three games exclusively live on Foxtel. After Smith was sacked and Murdoch shunned the NRL, Ch9 sold the Saturday night game back to Foxtel -- along with simulcast rights for the other three games they held exclusive rights to until that point. Part of the deal was Ch9 got a Saturday game during the last 5 or so rounds. NRL didn't get any money from this deal between Foxtel and Ch9. We were left with a 6pm Friday game that is terrible for crowds.

The price the NRL will expect for the key 7.30pm Saturday time slot, should it be sold to Fox Sports and therefore no longer be available to every household in Australia, is critical to the final overarching deal.​

​

Nine, keen to reduce costs, will demand $40 million per year, reducing by $200 million, the $925 million deal negotiated with outgoing NRL chief executive Dave Smith.​

​

Fox Sports has offered $130 million a year for the other four games.​

​

Nine's costs could be further reduced by $100 million over five years if Fox Sports agree to simulcast Nine's Thursday night, Friday night and Sunday afternoon games.​

​

This would mean Nine paying a total of $625 million, a still significant 39 per cent increase on the $450 million it paid for the same number of games in the current contract.​

​

However, as leading sports media rights advisor Colin Smith points out, the NRL has surrendered competitive tension to Nine, allowing it to sell a game to a rival broadcaster and therefore becoming the effective holder of first and last rights.​

​

This is an ironic twist considering rugby league's last TV deal was a desperate battle by ARL commissioners to successfully extricate themselves from News Corporation's first and last rights, which extended to 2027, a win that contributed to News Ltd boss Kim Williams losing his job.​

​

NRL TV deal worth $1.9 billion if Nine sell out to Fox Sports

Channel Nine have become the effective holder of first and last rights of NRL's broadcast deal.

www.smh.com.au

The game's governing body came in for criticism in August after announcing it had sold the free-to-air television rights to Nine and was accused of leaving News Corp Australia and Telstra out of the negotiations.​

​

It created a schism between News Corp and chief executive Dave Smith, who stepped down last month.​

​

Following Smith's departure, News Corp reached out to ARL Commission chairman John Grant and all four parties were brought back to the negotiating table.​

​

After the NRL announced its deal with Nine earlier in the year, News Corp delivered a thinly veiled swipe at the 13-man code.​

​

At the announcement of the AFL's $2.5 billion six-year television deal with Foxtel, Telstra and the Seven Network, News Corp chief executive Rupert Murdoch quipped that his company had "always believed (AFL) is the premium code in Australia".​

​

In a shot across the NRL's bow, he promised his company would commit resources to the AFL and help it expand into league heartland in Queensland and NSW.​

​

NRL announces $1.8 billion broadcast deal

The NRL has confirmed the largest broadcast deal in the history of the game, worth $1.8 billion over five years.

www.sbs.com.au

Tell me which part of this is "wrong"?

Foxtel chases bigger share in NRL TV deal – The Roar

You have a fallacy that because something has happened in the past, it will happen again..

Murdoch is gone..Smith has gone ….

The world doesnt stay the same … I don’t care what happened 10:years ago.

 

[Wb1234]

Used to be smaller when it was Addington Showgrounds. Bit of terracing behind one goal and the stand opposite the main was much narrower.

Found an article covering the last GF to be played there in 2018. Contains these passages -

"The Canterbury Rugby League leased the Showgrounds from 1951. It owned the stands, but not the land. After the earthquakes, the CRL was between a rock and a hard place. Surrender the terms of its lease to allow a temporary stadium to be constructed to stage Crusaders games, or play on obstinately and earn the ire of the general sporting public".

"The Showgrounds hosted many of the great matches in Canterbury Rugby League history, including victories over touring teams and the memorable 1992 National Championship Final when 12 000 watched Frank Endacott's classy Canterbury team smoke an Auckland side stacked with Kiwis and English club pros".

Ah sounds like the vichies forced them out

 

[Dark Corner]

Canterbury is the rugby league region, the CRL are the equivalent of nswrl or qrl etc

Just read up they also had a team in Lion Red

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Ah sounds like the vichies forced them out

the situation after the earthquake in Christchurch was pretty dire. With the Crusaders being the only professional level team in the city they got priority with the stadium.
No sure what the deal is once Te Kaha is finished, whether the local rugby league gets the ground back or not.
Also not sure what the useful lifespan of the current structures are given they were never intended to be permanent, though as it is it’s a reasonably good 17k capacity park.