New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

a lot of people here are anti-Perth just because of one poster. Put it this way - In a region of the world where there are so few cities over 1 million people, for us to ignore one that has 2 million, has such a high quality of living and spare income is just so f**king dumb on so many levels, its actually mind boggling. Hence why I have come up with conspiracy theories.... oh and the reasons people have come up with "too far to travel", "they folded during super league", "they don't sell out Optus for every once off club game" , "uh,..umm... nah they love AFL too much" , something about Hull? i didn't get that one.

Perth is a big metropolitan area with a high standard of living. The problem is its isolatation from the heartland and lack of juniors mean it will always struggle to recruit quality players. It will recruit 95% of its squad from Queensland, NSW, New Zealand and PNG. Good luck convincing the game's elite juniors in Brisbane and Sydney to choose Perth over offers from local teams they grew up supporting.

Do you really think the heartland clubs will want a Perth-based team stalking their junior competitions in Brisbane and Sydney for talent?

It's equally foolish to think a Perth-based team won't have a negative impact on the other expansion team that's based in a fumbleball dominated city. The Melbourne Storm sources its players from Queensland, NSW, New Zealand and PNG. The club relied on sustained onfield success from day one to carve out a niche in a fumbleball dominated market. They over spent for 20 years to fund their operation. Storm relied on News Ltd and the ARLC to cover their losses during this period. You're kidding yourself if you think a Perth-based team won't need to do same to carve out a niche in Perth. Cam Smith said a Perth-based club will need to follow the Melbourne Storm formula to win over the Perth public.

What makes you think things will be different for Perth?

Do you think a Perth-based club will be able to generate the revenue needed to sustain the Melbourne Storm model?

The Storm spent more than every club bar the Broncos. They relied on extra funding from News Ltd and the ARLC during their first 20 years. I cannot for the life of me see the Perth business sector chipping in the amount of money that will be needed to fund the Melbourne Storm model.

Where do you think the money will come from?

The club would need to draw attendances of 30k or higher and rate its arse off on TV to generate the revenue needed to fund the Melbourne Storm model. Local businesses will only spend what they can afford and recoup through advertising.

 

[Perth Red]

Perth is a big metropolitan area with a high standard of living. The problem is its isolatation from the heartland and lack of juniors mean it will always struggle to recruit quality players. It will recruit 95% of its squad from Queensland, NSW, New Zealand and PNG. Good luck convincing the game's elite juniors in Brisbane and Sydney to choose Perth over offers from local teams they grew up supporting.

Do you really think the heartland clubs will want a Perth-based team stalking their junior competitions in Brisbane and Sydney for talent?

It's equally foolish to think a Perth-based team won't have a negative impact on the other expansion team that's based in a fumbleball dominated city. The Melbourne Storm sources its players from Queensland, NSW, New Zealand and PNG. The club relied on sustained onfield success from day one to carve out a niche in a fumbleball dominated market. They over spent for 20 years to fund their operation. Storm relied on News Ltd and the ARLC to cover their losses during this period. You're kidding yourself if you think a Perth-based team won't need to do same to carve out a niche in Perth. Cam Smith said a Perth-based club will need to follow the Melbourne Storm formula to win over the Perth public.

What makes you think things will be different for Perth?

Do you think a Perth-based club will be able to generate the revenue needed to sustain the Melbourne Storm model?

The Storm spent more than every club bar the Broncos. They relied on extra funding from News Ltd and the ARLC during their first 20 years. I cannot for the life of me see the Perth business sector chipping in the amount of money that will be needed to fund the Melbourne Storm model.

Where do you think the money will come from?

The club would need to draw attendances of 30k or higher and rate its arse off on TV to generate the revenue needed to fund the Melbourne Storm model. Local businesses will only spend what they can afford and recoup through advertising.

NZ2 thread. Theres a WA thread for this.

 

[Canard]

Perth is a big metropolitan area with a high standard of living. The problem is its isolatation from the heartland and lack of juniors mean it will always struggle to recruit quality players. It will recruit 95% of its squad from Queensland, NSW, New Zealand and PNG. Good luck convincing the game's elite juniors in Brisbane and Sydney to choose Perth over offers from local teams they grew up supporting.

Do you really think the heartland clubs will want a Perth-based team stalking their junior competitions in Brisbane and Sydney for talent?

It's equally foolish to think a Perth-based team won't have a negative impact on the other expansion team that's based in a fumbleball dominated city. The Melbourne Storm sources its players from Queensland, NSW, New Zealand and PNG. The club relied on sustained onfield success from day one to carve out a niche in a fumbleball dominated market. They over spent for 20 years to fund their operation. Storm relied on News Ltd and the ARLC to cover their losses during this period. You're kidding yourself if you think a Perth-based team won't need to do same to carve out a niche in Perth. Cam Smith said a Perth-based club will need to follow the Melbourne Storm formula to win over the Perth public.

What makes you think things will be different for Perth?

Do you think a Perth-based club will be able to generate the revenue needed to sustain the Melbourne Storm model?

The Storm spent more than every club bar the Broncos. They relied on extra funding from News Ltd and the ARLC during their first 20 years. I cannot for the life of me see the Perth business sector chipping in the amount of money that will be needed to fund the Melbourne Storm model.

Where do you think the money will come from?

The club would need to draw attendances of 30k or higher and rate its arse off on TV to generate the revenue needed to fund the Melbourne Storm model. Local businesses will only spend what they can afford and recoup through advertising.

- 2 Million Aussies live in Perth, claiming that no-one would want to live there whilst earning professional athletes money and lifestyle is ridiculous

- For at least the first decade, if not longer PNG will need to recruit 99.5% of its players from Australia, NZ and the PI areas.

-Cam Smith view is "just another opinion" and not a factor in NRL expansion decisions.

- Its been 25 years since the Storm entered the competition, in the aftermath of a Super League war and when the game was struggling for cash, the game wasn't even broadcast live on local TV for the first 15 years of their existence. This analogy is poor and not relevant to 2023.

-Teams don't earn more money based on their individual game TV ratings. This is a meaningless non-sequitur.

-What is the 30K crowd figure based on? Seems outrageous to suggest that the NRL is that poor cash wise that a new team could only come into the competition if it averages more than double the average of an existing team.

- Why is Perth only able to generate advertising from "local business"? What about national companies wanting to have a presence in WA?

 

[mongoose]

Perth is a big metropolitan area with a high standard of living. The problem is its isolatation from the heartland and lack of juniors mean it will always struggle to recruit quality players. It will recruit 95% of its squad from Queensland, NSW, New Zealand and PNG. Good luck convincing the game's elite juniors in Brisbane and Sydney to choose Perth over offers from local teams they grew up supporting.

Do you really think the heartland clubs will want a Perth-based team stalking their junior competitions in Brisbane and Sydney for talent?

It's equally foolish to think a Perth-based team won't have a negative impact on the other expansion team that's based in a fumbleball dominated city. The Melbourne Storm sources its players from Queensland, NSW, New Zealand and PNG. The club relied on sustained onfield success from day one to carve out a niche in a fumbleball dominated market. They over spent for 20 years to fund their operation. Storm relied on News Ltd and the ARLC to cover their losses during this period. You're kidding yourself if you think a Perth-based team won't need to do same to carve out a niche in Perth. Cam Smith said a Perth-based club will need to follow the Melbourne Storm formula to win over the Perth public.

What makes you think things will be different for Perth?

Do you think a Perth-based club will be able to generate the revenue needed to sustain the Melbourne Storm model?

The Storm spent more than every club bar the Broncos. They relied on extra funding from News Ltd and the ARLC during their first 20 years. I cannot for the life of me see the Perth business sector chipping in the amount of money that will be needed to fund the Melbourne Storm model.

Where do you think the money will come from?

The club would need to draw attendances of 30k or higher and rate its arse off on TV to generate the revenue needed to fund the Melbourne Storm model. Local businesses will only spend what they can afford and recoup through advertising.

you never know until you try.

Tell me this, where will this 3rd Brisbane team get its fans from? there is no one living in SEQLD who don't already support an existing club, which means they are just going to cannibalise existing clubs. A Perth club has the ability to turn casual fans into brand new attending fans, into members. Another Brisbane team is also just going to pull from the same pool of players as every other club. They will enter the comp and do exactly the same as the Dolphins, try and lure some marquee from another club and weaken them.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

NZ2 thread. Theres a WA thread for this.

Tell that to @mongoose. He's the one who brought up Perth. I responded to it.

Who made you the moderator?

You routinely go off topic when it fits your agenda.

 

[Perth Red]

Tell that to @mongoose. He's the one who brought up Perth. I responded to it.

Who made you the moderator?

You routinely go off topic when it fits your agenda.

After copping flak for allegedly only talking about perth I’m now going to avoid responding and simply mention when posts are derailing threads. Get used to it.

why dis you post that in a nz2 thread instead of the wa thread? it has nothing to do with nz2. Stop talking about perth in every thread!

 

[Perth Red]

you never know until you try.

Tell me this, where will this 3rd Brisbane team get its fans from? there is no one living in SEQLD who don't already support an existing club, which means they are just going to cannibalise existing clubs. A Perth club has the ability to turn casual fans into brand new attending fans, into members. Another Brisbane team is also just going to pull from the same pool of players as every other club. They will enter the comp and do exactly the same as the Dolphins, try and lure some marquee from another club and weaken them.

Nz2 thread, there’s a brisbane3 thread for discussion on Brisbane.

 

[Perth Red]

- 2 Million Aussies live in Perth, claiming that no-one would want to live there whilst earning professional athletes money and lifestyle is ridiculous

- For at least the first decade, if not longer PNG will need to recruit 99.5% of its players from Australia, NZ and the PI areas.

-Cam Smith view is "just another opinion" and not a factor in NRL expansion decisions.

- Its been 25 years since the Storm entered the competition, in the aftermath of a Super League war and when the game was struggling for cash, the game wasn't even broadcast live on local TV for the first 15 years of their existence. This analogy is poor and not relevant to 2023.

-Teams don't earn more money based on their individual game TV ratings. This is a meaningless non-sequitur.

-What is the 30K crowd figure based on? Seems outrageous to suggest that the NRL is that poor cash wise that a new team could only come into the competition if it averages more than double the average of an existing team.

- Why is Perth only able to generate advertising from "local business"? What about national companies wanting to have a presence in WA?

Nz2 thread. Not wa thread.

 

[Wb1234]

Tell that to @mongoose. He's the one who brought up Perth. I responded to it.

Who made you the moderator?

You routinely go off topic when it fits your agenda.

The only person who is allowed thread diversions is Perth red

the funniest is when he continues the thread diversion then ends the post with back onto the thread topic

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

you never know until you try.

ARLC doesn't run a variable funding scheme like AwFuL.

Tell me this, where will this 3rd Brisbane team get its fans from?

The world's second largest rugby league city.

there is no one living in SEQLD who don't already support an existing club, which means they are just going to cannibalise existing clubs.

This argument was used against adding Brisbane 2.

"Everyone in Brisbane supports the Broncos."

"The Titans will suffer".​

The amount of active RL fans in Brisbane has risen sharply since the Dolphins were added.

SEQ had 21k active fans when the Broncos were the only team representing the region 23 years ago.

Rugby League Tables / Attendances 2000

Rugby League Tables - NRL Stats & Tables

afltables.com

Last year there were 44k active fans in SEQ supporting the Broncos and Titans. The Broncos had 8k more active supporters in 2022 than 2000.

Rugby League Tables / Attendances 2022

Rugby League Tables - NRL Stats & Tables

afltables.com

Now we have 78k active fans in SEQ supporting three clubs. Broncos and Titans increased their amount of active supporters after the Dolphins were introduced.

Rugby League Tables / Attendances 2023

Rugby League Tables - NRL Stats & Tables

afltables.com

If what you said had any truth to it then attendances for the Broncos would have been higher 23 years ago.

So much for "diminishing returns" and all the other shit that's been used to argue against expansion in SEQ!

A Perth club has the ability to turn casual fans into brand new attending fans, into members.

I just proved that the introduction of the Titans and Dolphins has added 57k active fans to the game!

Good luck converting 57k people in Western Australia into active RL fans.

Another Brisbane team is also just going to pull from the same pool of players as every other club. They will enter the comp and do exactly the same as the Dolphins, try and lure some marquee from another club and weaken them.

The Brisbane Tigers have a strong catchment of junior clubs from Bulimba in east-north-east Brisbane to Yarrabilba in southeast Logan. It can draw upon juniors from this region and convert a dozen or more of them into high quality NRL players within 5 years. Perth cannot do this because the junior competitions in WA are not up to standard.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The only person who is allowed thread diversions is Perth red

the funniest is when he continues the thread diversion then ends the post with back onto the thread topic

As soon as he loses an argument he tries to shut it down by saying it's in the wrong thread.

 

[Perth Red]

Nz2 thread

 

[Canard]

The Broncos have more fans in 2022 then 2020

What could have happened in 2020 to reduce crowds I wonder??

 

[mongoose]

The Broncos have more fans in 2022 then 2020

What could have happened in 2020 to reduce crowds I wonder??

The Broncos also averaged over 40k in the early 90s so his argument is crap, as usual.

 

[Gobsmacked]

The Broncos have more fans in 2022 then 2020

What could have happened in 2020 to reduce crowds I wonder??

And how much are the price of eggs in China?

 

[Wb1234]

If 24 teams are on the cards then 3 nz sides is a definite possibility

so christchurch should be the next nz team in playing a few games in the South Island

they will be so far away from the warriors both clubs will coexist happily

the benefit of the new stadium is a plus

also if they are successful it detracts from the strongest super rugby side

that would leave wellingon for later which can play games in hanilton etc

 

[Canard]

The 24th team based in Christchurch should play a "few" games in the South Island?

This guy knows geography

 

[Perth Red]

If Christchurch are playing a few games in south island are they paying the rest at ns oval? Lol

 

[Wb1234]

If Christchurch are playing a few games in south island are they paying the rest at ns oval? Lol

Troll alert

 

[Perth Red]

Troll alert

Eh?

so christchurch should be the next nz team in playing a few games in the South Island

If Christchurch aren’t playing all games in sth island where are they playing?