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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

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Perth Red said:
On the potential cap dispensation. Don’t follow union, is there any decent talent other than wingers worth signing?
Wouldnt the top union backs be on mill plus anyway? Is an nrl club going to risk say $500k of salary cap plus $1mill out of their own pocket to take a punt on a top union back?
How’s the rugby league players going to feel about that?

Sounds good in theory but don’t see it signing the top talent. I guess paying $500k where none of it is on cap to test a younger union player or a player from a lessor nation, or 7’s, might happen?
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At test level, NZ Rugby has long been unable to compete financially with the big European or Japanese clubs. NZR's retention approach is based on the jersey's legacy, lifestyle, and contract flexibility with sabbaticals and the like. So for the test level players still here, money isn't their primary motivation.

So yea I agree... for NZ at least, it's more of a threat for NPC, SR and 7s players. Which over time may hurt player depth if NRL clubs are willing to spend enough money over a long enough period chasing the next few Will Warbricks, but I'm not sure there's an appetite - or even a need - for that is there?
 
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For a start the article is just a "could" piece, with no quotes from anyone in RL admin.

And it doesn't mention the ABs at all. NZRL would not be able to compete with NZRU when it came to salaries, and we would get blown out of the water trying to.

Lastly, why do we need to? We have heaps of gun juniors being developed everyday.
Let's spend the money on graasroots, not spunk it away on Sideshow Bob who would go to pieces the moment he had to take a hit up in the red zone.
 
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Canard said:
For a start the article is just a "could" piece, with no quotes from anyone in RL admin.

And it doesn't mention the ABs at all. NZRL would not be able to compete with NZRU when it came to salaries, and we would get blown out of the water trying to.

Lastly, why do we need to? We have heaps of gun juniors being developed everyday.
Let's spend the money on graasroots, not spunk it away on Sideshow Bob who would go to pieces the moment he had to take a hit up in the red zone.
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It was a 'Roosters looking to sign someone, let's try to give them every advantage we can' article.
 
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Canard said:
For a start the article is just a "could" piece, with no quotes from anyone in RL admin.

And it doesn't mention the ABs at all. NZRL would not be able to compete with NZRU when it came to salaries, and we would get blown out of the water trying to.

Lastly, why do we need to? We have heaps of gun juniors being developed everyday.
Let's spend the money on graasroots, not spunk it away on Sideshow Bob who would go to pieces the moment he had to take a hit up in the red zone.
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Well its not NZRL that would be competing with NZR, its the NRL clubs.

But as I mentioned in an earlier post, any All Black player prioritising money has already left NZ anyway. So I dont think the test team would be under too much threat; more SR, NPC and 7s players. But agree with your last point - I don't see the need either. At least not any more scouted than they already are.
 
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Brian potter said:
Lots of talent in NZ union but the NRL would be better served in targeting union schoolboy competitions in a big way.

fiji union schoolboys as well.
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There's always lots of league scouts following NZ schoolboy rugby. A guy like Tohu was picked up this way. When they broadcast Super 8 (probably the top schoolboy comp in NZ made up of central NI boys schools) on TV the commentator Ken Laban will occasionally point out the league scouts in the crowd (Laban is a big league identity from Wellington area).

But, agree with the point that targeting lower down should also be undertaken. The most successful rugby guy from a NZ point of view in the last couple of years is Leo Thompson who recently played a huge part in us smashing the Roos. He was a midfield back in club rugby (in NZ rugby that's essentially amateur) and is now a test and first grade prop.
 
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Thatwasnthighref said:
At test level, NZ Rugby has long been unable to compete financially with the big European or Japanese clubs.
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Did you mean to write this or something different? It is actually at test level where NZ rugby competes - due to the legacy etc that you mentioned elsewhere. Despite the gnashing and wailing about overseas players there's no one playing overseas that the ABs would have needed for the RWC.

It's at the lower levels where it's an issue, if a player doesn't get a Super contract then they usually head off, although that has been reduced slightly with MLR in the US as players can play that and NPC as they don't cross over.
 
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Matua said:
Did you mean to write this or something different? It is actually at test level where NZ rugby competes - due to the legacy etc that you mentioned elsewhere. Despite the gnashing and wailing about overseas players there's no one playing overseas that the ABs would have needed for the RWC.

It's at the lower levels where it's an issue, if a player doesn't get a Super contract then they usually head off, although that has been reduced slightly with MLR in the US as players can play that and NPC as they don't cross over.
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That's was my point, there is no way NRL clubs are competing with the All Blacks for salaries.

And lower down, what changes? League poaches from this pool now.
 
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Gobsmacked said:
I think it could potentially hurt the NPC further..lots of young talent there!
Eventually that'll effect the Super Rugby and aultimatly the All blacks.
17 clubs
1 million each salary cap free for Union talent..

17 million dollar raid of Union talent by the best scouts in the Pacific...

This is going to hurt.
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Yeah, this is the play. We've white-anted Union in Australia by cutting off their supply of young talent, now this can allow us to do the same to Union in NZ and to a lesser extent Fiji, Tonga and Samoa.
 
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titoelcolombiano said:
Yeah, this is the play. We've white-anted Union in Australia by cutting off their supply of young talent, now this can allow us to do the same to Union in NZ and to a lesser extent Fiji, Tonga and Samoa.
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It’s already happening

the drain of kiwi juniors to league has meant the standard of all blacks has fallen dramatically and now they are beatable
 
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Matua said:
Did you mean to write this or something different? It is actually at test level where NZ rugby competes - due to the legacy etc that you mentioned elsewhere.
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Yep, that's what I meant (albeit perhaps not worded very well) when said I 'financially' NZR hasnt been able to compete for a long time, in terms of keeping test players onshore.

They've had to supplement the attraction of playing for the jersey etc. with more creative options like sabbaticals and the like.
 
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Matiunz said:
I’d be fine with that- ANZAC is a partnership after all is it not? We’d be hypocrites if we made GC play away every year (if it was them we played each year),it’s their day too- something Melbourne seems to forget with us.
Some seem to forget the NZ part of aNZac
No one saying stop playing the Roosters/Dragons game are they? At least that’s a relative home game to both teams.
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Yes and when NZ2 comes in, there can be an Anzac day game in NZ every year
 
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titoelcolombiano said:
Yeah, this is the play. We've white-anted Union in Australia by cutting off their supply of young talent, now this can allow us to do the same to Union in NZ and to a lesser extent Fiji, Tonga and Samoa.
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Think NZ will still be a much tougher prospect than converting Aus RU juniors. The added ask of them having to move countries when there’s 6 local full professional options and 14 semi pro options. League status/appeal in NZ is still nowhere near what it is in Aus
 
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