New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Matua]

Isn't that what you'd expect though?

I don't find that even slightly surprising, and doubt you could do much to change it without adding multiple new clubs from NZ to the comp.

Yes, I'm just trying to hammer it into Gob/Wb's concrete head.

It doesn't even necessarily have to be a school system, just a local one.

It's honestly a joke that NZ has been so poorly managed and that none of this already exists.

I don't think that will work too well, it's essentially the system we currently have. A good league player is just going to wind up playing rugby at school.

When I was a young fellow I played league every Sunday (aside from when we had away rugby games), but it was at a more social level than the rugby because the comp was of a much lower level and the rugby comp was serious business. The school I went to is even more serious with it's rugby now as it's in the Super8 which didn't exist when I was there.

I think there's two options if we want to build domestic players, keep league players in school rugby and then have camps etc, and set up a domestic school league where the NZRL/NRL fund a school in each main province (maybe 3 in Auckland) to be league schools. In my area there's two big rugby schools, but there's a couple of other boys schools or coed schools that could become a league school.

 

[Canard]

Yes, I'm just trying to hammer it into Gob/Wb's concrete head.


I don't think that will work too well, it's essentially the system we currently have. A good league player is just going to wind up playing rugby at school.

When I was a young fellow I played league every Sunday (aside from when we had away rugby games), but it was at a more social level than the rugby because the comp was of a much lower level and the rugby comp was serious business. The school I went to is even more serious with it's rugby now as it's in the Super8 which didn't exist when I was there.

I think there's two options if we want to build domestic players, keep league players in school rugby and then have camps etc, and set up a domestic school league where the NZRL/NRL fund a school in each main province (maybe 3 in Auckland) to be league schools. In my area there's two big rugby schools, but there's a couple of other boys schools or coed schools that could become a league school.

I don't know how it works in NSW, but in QLD the schoolboys system does most of the heavy lifting in terms of developing NRL talent.

Whilst club based JRL is quite extensive and popular, it's more of a "open to all comers" thing, whilst schoolboys tends to be the more focussed elite kids.

It's also an easier sell to parents to offer a scholarship etc for there kids, as a benefit of participating in the sport.

 

[Matua]

There are New Zealanders on here telling us that there's no animosity between rugby league and rugby in New Zealand.

That's not true at all, it's just not at the level that it is over here, and in this thread. The majority of NZers are fine and will follow both with rugby obviously the favoured, but there's a small amount of dickheads in both codes.

 

[Matua]

I don't know how it works in NSW, but in QLD the schoolboys system does most of the heavy lifting in terms of developing NRL talent.

Whilst club based JRL is quite extensive and popular, it's more of a "open to all comers" thing, whilst schoolboys tends to be the more focussed elite kids.

It's also an easier sell to parents to offer a scholarship etc for there kids, as a benefit of participating in the sport.

Currently in NZ league is mostly a club game, a few high schools in Auckland play it but I'm not even sure how regularly that is. My old school occasionally sends a team to NZRL organised comps but it's just usually the rugby team when they have no inter school clashes.

I just want a viable option in NZ so young NZers don't have to go to board in Aussie schools to advance their league careers and can do it from NZ.

 

[mongoose]

Totally untrue. My mates who follow AFL have all come to various games here with me NRL, origins, test and 9s.
But I'm sure donkey could google something to prove me wrong.

the two WA AFL teams were woeful last season, especially the Eagles. If only there was another large winter sport the people of Perth could have turned their focus to.

 

[Bukowski]

It's great timing to come here that's for sure.

the two WA AFL teams were woeful last season, especially the Eagles. If only there was another large winter sport the people of Perth could have turned their focus to.

 

[Maximus]

completely unsubstantiated rubbish

Bigfooty posters, sure, but the rest of the public are nothing like LU posters. In fact, I'm pretty sure the majority of LU posters don't even have that attitude.

 

[Matiunz]

Would fans of the Blues, Crusaders and Hurricanes adopt NRL teams in Auckland, Christchurch and Wellington as their "second" team?

Hurricanes (lower north Island) are my Super Rugby team, I’d have no problem accepting NZ2 as another team. Warriors would still likely be my First team (especially if NZ 2 was based in CHCH).

 

[Matiunz]

Yes, I'm just trying to hammer it into Gob/Wb's concrete head.


I don't think that will work too well, it's essentially the system we currently have. A good league player is just going to wind up playing rugby at school.

When I was a young fellow I played league every Sunday (aside from when we had away rugby games), but it was at a more social level than the rugby because the comp was of a much lower level and the rugby comp was serious business. The school I went to is even more serious with it's rugby now as it's in the Super8 which didn't exist when I was there.

I think there's two options if we want to build domestic players, keep league players in school rugby and then have camps etc, and set up a domestic school league where the NZRL/NRL fund a school in each main province (maybe 3 in Auckland) to be league schools. In my area there's two big rugby schools, but there's a couple of other boys schools or coed schools that could become a league school.

The super 8 comp would be ideal to get a 1sts and 2nds in- get a sponsor and it’d be a no brainer. I’d even look at running it summer to convert a few Union boys without having to choose on over the other early on, pretty sure they send the cricket and Tennis boys on billeted trips in summer anyways. Would be a great starting point for school age kids as I wouldn’t want my kids mingling with the gang scene that the club level game seemed to have when I played in Hawkes Bay league

 

[Matiunz]

It doesn't even necessarily have to be a school system, just a local one.

It's honestly a joke that NZ has been so poorly managed and that none of this already exists.

It’s unfortunately the reality that the NZRL is working with chicken feed funding that they can do much with what they get. In saying that the management is extremely amateur

 

[Matua]

The super 8 comp would be ideal to get a 1sts and 2nds in- get a sponsor and it’d be a no brainer. I’d even look at running it summer to convert a few Union boys without having to choose on over the other early on, pretty sure they send the cricket and Tennis boys on billeted trips in summer anyways. Would be a great starting point for school age kids as I wouldn’t want my kids mingling with the gang scene that the club level game seemed to have when I played in Hawkes Bay league

As a fellow Hawkes Bay-ian I'm disappointed you still support the Hurricanes.

Agree on the gang scene, I went to watch a mate play one Sunday when I was back home and I thought I was at a mob day out.

I was thinking St Johns could be the HB league school, well it's not going to be Lindersfarne and Te Aute is too small these days.

 

[Matiunz]

As a fellow Hawkes Bay-ian I'm disappointed you still support the Hurricanes.

Agree on the gang scene, I went to watch a mate play one Sunday when I was back home and I thought I was at a mob day out.

I was thinking St Johns could be the HB league school, well it's not going to be Lindersfarne and Te Aute is too small these days.

Haha yeah took on Chiefs as a second team once they started taking more magpies that the Canes would overlook.
Wasn’t aware st John’s played league but great if they did - wonder who they actually play?
Obviously HBHS and NBHS would be the big 2 to target, very strong Union teams and plenty of students other than that maybe Flaxmere and Tamatea? Te Aute was Piri Weepus school that he wanted to play NRL but had no where to play league, Karamu used to struggle to get a 1/2 decent Union side and I’m not sure the likes of Havelock/Taradale would have the interest -Certainly not Lindisfarne
Probably still have to play some Waikato or Wellington/Manawatu/Taranaki schools to get some competition but not sure if the travel would be too much of a challenge there

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Would fans of the Blues, Crusaders and Hurricanes adopt NRL teams in Auckland, Christchurch and Wellington as their "second" team?

Blues fans already have the Warriors. For the others yes, quite a few of them would

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Blues fans already have the Warriors. For the others yes, quite a few of them would

NRL teams in Auckland, Christchurch and Wellington could play at home on weekends when the Blues, Crusaders and Hurricanes are on the road. More events for Christchurch and Wellington would be great for the local economy.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

NRL teams in Auckland, Christchurch and Wellington could play at home on weekends when the Blues, Crusaders and Hurricanes are on the road. More events for Christchurch and Wellington would be great for the local economy.

There’s already an NRL team in Auckland. But the NRL doesn’t organise the Warriors game day schedule around the Blues. Would be nice if they did I guess.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There’s already an NRL team in Auckland. But the NRL doesn’t organise the Warriors game day schedule around the Blues. Would be nice if they did I guess.

The NRL really should look at minimising clashes between the Warriors and Blues.

There's room for growth in New Zealand.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The NRL really should look at minimising clashes between the Warriors and Blues.

There's room for growth in New Zealand.

Honestly I'm not sure how much of a problem it really is now. Even if they play on the same weekend there's multiple timeslots and I don't think they clash directly that often when both teams are at home. TBH it's All Blacks games that the NRL should try to avoid putting the Warriors up against head to head, because there have been a few clashes there in recent years.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Honestly I'm not sure how much of a problem it really is now. Even if they play on the same weekend there's multiple timeslots and I don't think they clash directly that often when both teams are at home. TBH it's All Blacks games that the NRL should try to avoid putting the Warriors up against head to head, because there have been a few clashes there in recent years.

Let's hope the Christchurch bid is legitimate. A second NZ team will be good for RL.

 

[Perth Red]

Let's hope the Christchurch bid is legitimate. A second NZ team will be good for RL.

They've announced today on Facebook they've have got their first investor interest. No further details

 

[The Great Dane]

Yes, I'm just trying to hammer it into Gob/Wb's concrete head.


I don't think that will work too well, it's essentially the system we currently have. A good league player is just going to wind up playing rugby at school.

When I was a young fellow I played league every Sunday (aside from when we had away rugby games), but it was at a more social level than the rugby because the comp was of a much lower level and the rugby comp was serious business. The school I went to is even more serious with it's rugby now as it's in the Super8 which didn't exist when I was there.

I think there's two options if we want to build domestic players, keep league players in school rugby and then have camps etc, and set up a domestic school league where the NZRL/NRL fund a school in each main province (maybe 3 in Auckland) to be league schools. In my area there's two big rugby schools, but there's a couple of other boys schools or coed schools that could become a league school.

That's no different to what happens here a lot of the time. RL talent getting scholarships to play RU at some of the top private schools is the norm in a lot of places, and why RU types claim basically every kid that's strapped on a boot as "their" junior lol.

Where you start and the path you take to get there isn't nearly as important as the destination in this case, and I see no reason why systems that aren't reliant on the schooling system couldn't be created in NZ if that was found to be beneficial or necessary.

It's all academic anyway as the NZRL don't have the resources and have proven to be incompetent historically, and the NRL has shown no interest in getting involved in Kiwi RL in that manner for whatever reasons.