New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Matua]

So they could get an all black.
And the players outside of the all blacks are irrelevant to rugby fans in NZ ..

You really have no idea about the average rugby fan in NZ.

 

[Gobsmacked]

 

[Wb1234]

And your assumption is that the sporting landscape in NZ can't change... when it already has... to the detriment of Super Rugby...less teams, weaker teams, less competition, less interest. There's talk Australia can't sustain the amount of clubs it has which will weaken the product further...

Good point

 

[Wb1234]

You really have no idea about the average rugby fan in NZ.

How many times are you lot going to keep posting this ?

no sport is immune to competition

as much as Americans made fun of soccer it still has become established there

can the nrl take a big chunk of the nz sporting market ? Of course it can

union is very vulnerable at a time that rugby league is booming

 

[Matua]

And your assumption is that the sporting landscape in NZ can't change... when it already has... to the detriment of Super Rugby...less teams, weaker teams, less competition, less interest. There's talk Australia can't sustain the amount of clubs it has which will weaken the product further...

Seriously bro, even if that is halfway true it does not compare with the state of league in NZ - league is not booming in NZ. The domestic game where I'm from is basically dead and guys on here are even saying it's not going well in Auckland, the teams I played for at school age don't exist anymore, none of the guys I used to go to Warriors games with go anymore, in fact most of them don't follow the game at all.

I want the NRL to throw some of their cash at rebuilding the game in NZ, if a second NRL team in NZ is going to help that then I'm all for it, but expectations need to be kept pretty low, unlike the hyperbole going on in this thread.

How many times are you lot going to keep posting this ?

It's true. You guys are flailing around with clearly no real idea of what's happening in NZ in regards to both league and rugby.

Re: Your video [Edit, apologies it was gobsmacked's video]. Sky NZ has nearly as many streaming subscribers now as set top box owners, so it's probably a given that total viewing figures top 2021's figures and a good chance they top 2020's as well.

 

[Wb1234]

Seriously bro, even if that is halfway true it does not compare with the state of league in NZ - league is not booming in NZ. The domestic game where I'm from is basically dead and guys on here are even saying it's not going well in Auckland, the teams I played for at school age don't exist anymore, none of the guys I used to go to Warriors games with go anymore, in fact most of them don't follow the game at all.

I want the NRL to throw some of their cash at rebuilding the game in NZ, if a second NRL team in NZ is going to help that then I'm all for it, but expectations need to be kept pretty low, unlike the hyperbole going on in this thread.


It's true. You guys are flailing around with clearly no real idea of what's happening in NZ in regards to both league and rugby.

Re: Your video [Edit, apologies it was gobsmacked's video]. Sky NZ has nearly as many streaming subscribers now as set top box owners, so it's probably a given that total viewing figures top 2021's figures and a good chance they top 2020's as well.

If your only response is you guys don’t understand the market in nz and are going to keep repeating it to every poster it’s best to probably not continue further lol

 

[Te Kaha]

And your assumption is that the sporting landscape in NZ can't change... when it already has... to the detriment of Super Rugby...less teams, weaker teams, less competition, less interest. There's talk Australia can't sustain the amount of clubs it has which will weaken the product further...

You started this thread with "New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby". That is plainly not true. and nothing you have provided would offer any evidence to support that.

 

[Te Kaha]

FFS, even he stated this figures don't include SkySportNow streaming, which is far more popular than getting the satellite dish these days.

 

[Te Kaha]

If your only response is you guys don’t understand the market in nz and are going to keep repeating it to every poster it’s best to probably not continue further lol

Its because you clearly don't understand it. Not only the market, but the level of support, player numbers and juniors either. And that includes both codes.

 

[Wb1234]

Super Rugby TV ratings drop ahead of Blues-Crusaders showdown

1News has sourced figures from Nielsen TAM which show declining primetime (7pm/7.30pm games) TV viewership for the competition, with the early rounds of 2022 averaging around 100,000 viewers.

www.1news.co.nz

Tv ratings in New Zealand have almost halved for super rugby

 

[Gobsmacked]

You started this thread with "New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby". That is plainly not true. and nothing you have provided would offer any evidence to support that.

And there's literally nothing you've said to the contrary.. in fact you've actually said things that support the case.
So thanks.

 

[Wb1234]

Loose Pass: New Zealand rugby's fascinating fall from grace

In this week's Loose Pass, we will mostly be concerning ourselves with New Zealand, as the rest of the world looks on with fascination.

www.planetrugby.com

Teenage participation in union is down 17 percent

 

[Te Kaha]

And there's literally nothing you've said to the contrary.. in fact you've actually said things that support the case.
So thanks.

You're the one who started the thread and made the statement, yet you can't provide any basis to back that claim up.

 

[Gobsmacked]

What's interesting is that the Warriors being locked out of the country for 3 years apparently couldn't have been what was responsible for the grass roots decline...lmao.
Of course it was.. but they are back for a full season in 2023 !
Another team in 2025

 

[Wb1234]

What's interesting is that the Warriors being locked out of the country for 3 years apparently couldn't have been what was responsible for the grass roots decline...lmao.
Of course it was.. but they are back for a full season in 2023 !
Another team in 2025

Andrew abdo literally said they are going to expand junior pathways in nz

the best way you can tell this is a good idea is the meltdowns the union trolls are having

 

[Te Kaha]

Loose Pass: New Zealand rugby's fascinating fall from grace

In this week's Loose Pass, we will mostly be concerning ourselves with New Zealand, as the rest of the world looks on with fascination.

www.planetrugby.com

Teenage participation in union is down 17 percent

School Sport Census - Data Released

School Sport New Zealand in partnership with Sport New Zealand, are pleased to release the National Census Data for...

www.schoolsportnz.org.nz

And look what sport is not listed.

 

[Gobsmacked]

You're the one who started the thread and made the statement, yet you can't provide any basis to back that claim up.

I've described an extra 12 million in player payments.
Double the media exposure.
Double the amount of games played in the country.
New geographical area in which they're are played.

Actually I left out the part where the NRL are moving to a reserve grade system. So you can add an extra 30 players to the mix.

But yeah nothing lol

All that being said RU in killing itself off without any help from the NRL.

The Super Rugby fan will fall straight into the NRL lap.

 

[Te Kaha]

Andrew abdo literally said they are going to expand junior pathways in nz

the best way you can tell this is a good idea is the meltdowns the union trolls are having

The NRL has said that a lot over the years. But junior League numbers continue to decline. Like you, they say a lot, but they never follow through/

 

[Te Kaha]

I've described an extra 12 million in player payments.
Double the media exposure.
Double the amount of games played in the country.
New geographical area in which they're are played.

Actually I left out the part where the NRL are moving to a reserve grade system. So you can add an extra 30 players to the mix.

But yeah nothing lol

All that being said RU in killing itself off without any help from the NRL.

The Super Rugby fan will fall straight into the NRL lap.

You have provided assumptions not evidence.
Where are the juniors? where are the players? where are the sponsors? Hell, where are the bids for the team?

 

[Wb1234]

ARL, Sky New Zealand agree to long-term TV deal

State of Origin fixtures and a selection of premium NRL matches be available on free-to-air TV in New Zealand for the first time as a part of a new broadcast rights deal between the ARL Commission and Sky New Zealand.

www.nrl.com

sky nz to invest more in New Zealand league grassroots together with the arlc and nzrl