New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Gobsmacked]

And again showing your ignorance. Typical Aussie, knows nothing about other countries and assumes it will be the same their.

You are assuming that a second NRL team will have any support.
You are assuming it will be able to get sponsors.
You are assuming it will have any juniors.
You are assuming it will surpass Rugby in NZ
Your assumptions are based on nothing but your opinion. An opinion built on ignorance.

Rhhhuhh

 

[mongoose]

Australia has ten players in the NBA and sits third on the FIBA world rankings. NBL is growing nicely under Larry Kestelman's leadership. There are players in the NBL earning almost as much as NRL players.

the NBL broadcast deal is less than the A League.

 

[Te Kaha]

Rhhhuhh

And there we have it.

Apparently a couple of Australian children know more about the sporting landscape of New Zealand than actual New Zealanders. Hard to believe anyone is that stupid to believe that, but there you go.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Given how unsuccessful Redcliffe were in getting a marque signing, a NZ 2 would likely be looking at raiding Super Rugby..

 

[Wb1234]

Given how unsuccessful Redcliffe were in getting a marque signing, a NZ 2 would likely be looking at raiding Super Rugby..

It would be kind of funny seeing them sign an all black and then them failing to cope with the pace of the game

 

[Te Kaha]

Given how unsuccessful Redcliffe were in getting a marque signing, a NZ 2 would likely be looking at raiding Super Rugby..

And how would they do that? NZR has more to spend on player salaries than any NRL club. How many super rugby or all blacks have gone to the NRL in the last 20 years? That shouldn't take long, it is a very low number.

 

[Te Kaha]

It would be kind of funny seeing them sign an all black and then them failing to cope with the pace of the game

You mean like Benji? or RTS?

 

[Gobsmacked]

And how would they do that? NZR has more to spend on player salaries than any NRL club. How many super rugby or all blacks have gone to the NRL in the last 20 years? That shouldn't take long, it is a very low number.

The NRL don't buy players for starters, the clubs do . The salary cap has risen dramatically in the NRL over the last decade and a club new in NZ would have more to spend than any time ever in the past compared to SR and they'd have 30 spots to fill and 12 Million to spend.
How's a Million bucks sound?
New adventure, new club in your home country and a Million bucks?

Your saying that isn't enticing to anyone in Super rugby?

 

[Wb1234]

The NRL don't buy players for starters, the clubs do . The salary cap has risen dramatically in the NRL over the last decade and a club new in NZ would have more to spend than any time ever in the past compared to SR and they'd have 30 spots to fill and 12 Million to spend.
How's a Million bucks sound?
New adventure, new club in your home country and a Million bucks?

Your saying that isn't enticing to anyone in Super rugby?

The problem is nrl clubs won’t pay an all black a milllon plus to come to league

even if they actually make it to nrl they won’t be worth that kind of money to the club

so they go to England France or Japanese union instead

the only way it will happen is if the nrl makes them exempt from the salary cap and then you might get a few clubs trying it for the publicity

 

[The Great Dane]

This is nothing more than what you wish than an accurate prediction of the future of a competition that is one year old and was created due to a pandemic.

IIRC, two of the three biggest crowds this year in Australia were against NZ sides. The Tahs v Blues game had double the spectators of the Tahs v Force game.

Here we go again with the ignorant dumb merkin Kiwi routine.

Nobody said that the strong Kiwi sides can’t pull a crowd, because they can. The problem is that it’s a crowd of expat Kiwis, and not locals with the potential to be converted into fans, or more importantly repeat customers, of Australian rugby.

In other words it does little to nothing for the local game. It doesn’t even make the news. Seriously, I can’t remember the last time I saw a report on Super Rugby in the news on TV, and I live in Canberra!

As I said before, there’s no mainstream interest in said games in Australia. You can pretend otherwise if you like, but 25 years of the sport rapidly declining in this country is strong evidence to the contrary.

BTW, don’t think that I didn’t notice that you moved the goalposts and failed to address any of the issues I brought up.

 

[Te Kaha]

The NRL don't buy players for starters, the clubs do . The salary cap has risen dramatically in the NRL over the last decade and a club new in NZ would have more to spend than any time ever in the past compared to SR and they'd have 30 spots to fill and 12 Million to spend.
How's a Million bucks sound?
New adventure, new club in your home country and a Million bucks?

Your saying that isn't enticing to anyone in Super rugby?

Is comprehension an issue for you? I already stated that no NRL club has the spending power of NZR. And it is NZR who pay the players in NZ

You're also assuming the players targeted aren't already on that or haven't already been offered more to play overseas in an easier comp for longer. Ex All blacks command top dollars overseas. Ex NRL players not so much, unless they can qualify by parentage for another country. Targeting run of the mill players not offered super rugby contracts will not help a new NRL club.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Is comprehension an issue for you? I already stated that no NRL club has the spending power of NZR. And it is NZR who pay the players in NZ

You're also assuming the players targeted aren't already on that or haven't already been offered more to play overseas in an easier comp for longer. Ex All blacks command top dollars overseas. Ex NRL players not so much, unless they can qualify by parentage for another country. Targeting run of the mill players not offered super rugby contracts will not help a new NRL club.

So for you ( a rugby fan) no player is of interest outside of the All Blacks.

I rest my case.

 

[Te Kaha]

So for you ( a rugby fan) no player is of interest outside of the All Blacks.

I rest my case.

Dense, you really are. NZ players are centrally contracted to NZR, the best of those players are topped up with All Black salaries. The rest are topped up by their respected provinces and clubs.
If a new NRL club wanted to buy Super Rugby players they wouldn't have the salary cap space to compete with NZR for the best players. If the player wanted to go that would be different. But there is zero indication that any would. They might as a retirement package, but not when they are in the All Blacks frame.
So if the new NRL club bought standard super rugby players, they wouldn't get the good ones and they would soon go broke. It really isn't hard to understand. Seems you are finding it difficult though.

 

[mongoose]

Dense, you really are. NZ players are centrally contracted to NZR, the best of those players are topped up with All Black salaries. The rest are topped up by their respected provinces and clubs.
If a new NRL club wanted to buy Super Rugby players they wouldn't have the salary cap space to compete with NZR for the best players. If the player wanted to go that would be different. But there is zero indication that any would. They might as a retirement package, but not when they are in the All Blacks frame.
So if the new NRL club bought standard super rugby players, they wouldn't get the good ones and they would soon go broke. It really isn't hard to understand. Seems you are finding it difficult though.

who is talking about the NRL buying All Blacks? this is about League getting a much stronger foothold in NZ, more grassroots, more fans, more TV money and as far as some of us can see it, domestic Rugby in NZ is not that strong a competitor. Sounds like you expect everything to remain how it is out of pure good will of new Zealanders and their devotion to Rugby Union lol

 

[Gobsmacked]

Dense, you really are. NZ players are centrally contracted to NZR, the best of those players are topped up with All Black salaries. The rest are topped up by their respected provinces and clubs.
If a new NRL club wanted to buy Super Rugby players they wouldn't have the salary cap space to compete with NZR for the best players. If the player wanted to go that would be different. But there is zero indication that any would. They might as a retirement package, but not when they are in the All Blacks frame.
So if the new NRL club bought standard super rugby players, they wouldn't get the good ones and they would soon go broke. It really isn't hard to understand. Seems you are finding it difficult though.

So firstly that's an impossible way for a club to go broke. They are funded to the turn of 15 Million, with a salary cap of 11 million.
The current NRL structure doesn't allow for clubs to go broke. In fact they are drafting a plan that makes them guaranteed for the next 99 years.
If NZ get another team they will not only be there for the next century but the salary cap increases year over year...
So they would have little to loose by spending big on a cross code name in a short term experiment to build interest, branding and exposure. It'd be the ultimate marketing tool.

And secondly, the top 30 players in NZ Rugby would be all all blacks and there's 0 chance they're are on a million minimum... maybe the top 10 but I think you'll find it drops of rather quickly.
So a million bucks would likely buy a current All black.. but maybe they throw 1.5 at a better one..
It's not a lot when you have a cap of 12 million, then there's 3rd party top ups.

So they could get an all black.
And the players outside of the all blacks are irrelevant to rugby fans in NZ .. which say that Super Rugby as you put it is only a training mechanism for the all blacks and can't compete with the NRL as a competition

An all black would have the chance to be in a competition that's competitive every week and all the players are extremely significant

 

[Te Kaha]

who is talking about the NRL buying All Blacks? this is about League getting a much stronger foothold in NZ, more grassroots, more fans, more TV money and as far as some of us can see it, domestic Rugby in NZ is not that strong a competitor. Sounds like you expect everything to remain how it is out of pure good will of new Zealanders and their devotion to Rugby Union lol

What is it with Australians and lack of comprehension??? I said NRL club not NRL.
No this is about a bunch of Australians who know zero about he sporting landscape in NZ assuming they know what they are talking about. They don't.

 

[Wb1234]

Spending a million on an all black is stupid

are they worth the same as latrell, manu etc ? Hell no

get them at a young age so they’ve spent years playing the sport

Crichton Cronk Murray illas are good examples

 

[Te Kaha]

So firstly that's an impossible way for a club to go broke. They are funded to the turn of 15 Million, with a salary cap of 11 million.
The current NRL structure doesn't allow for clubs to go broke. In fact they are drafting a plan that makes them guaranteed for the next 99 years.
If NZ get another team they will not only be there for the next century but the salary cap increases year over year...
So they would have little to loose by spending big on a cross code name in a short term experiment to build interest, branding and exposure. It'd be the ultimate marketing tool.

And secondly, the top 30 players in NZ Rugby would be all all blacks and there's 0 chance they're are on a million minimum... maybe the top 10 but I think you'll find it drops of rather quickly.
So a million bucks would likely buy a current All black.. but maybe they throw 1.5 at a better one..
It's not a lot when you have a cap of 12 million, then there's 3rd party top ups.

So they could get an all black.
And the players outside of the all blacks are irrelevant to rugby fans in NZ .. which say that Super Rugby as you put it is only a training mechanism for the all blacks and can't compete with the NRL as a competition

An all black would have the chance to be in a competition that's competitive every week and all the players are extremely significant

What a bunch of nonsense. You actually think contact team sports are going to be around in fifty years? let alone a hundred? The first class action suit bought by ex players against the NRL will cripple it.
Funnily enough no class action can be bought in NZ for personal injury. its the one rugby country in the world safe from concussion law suits. However like every country player numbers tanking due to the threat of concussion will end it, long after League in NZ is gone.

An All Black would have to forgo playing for the All Blacks plus, the salary, plus the endorsements, plus the potential for multi million dollar contracts offshore to switch. Why would they? To you League is better. One again you assume anybody thinks like you.

 

[Matua]

Here we go again with the ignorant dumb merkin Kiwi routine.

Nobody said that the strong Kiwi sides can’t pull a crowd, because they can. The problem is that it’s a crowd of expat Kiwis, and not locals with the potential to be converted into fans, or more importantly repeat customers, of Australian rugby.

In other words it does little to nothing for the local game. It doesn’t even make the news. Seriously, I can’t remember the last time I saw a report on Super Rugby in the news on TV, and I live in Canberra!

As I said before, there’s no mainstream interest in said games in Australia. You can pretend otherwise if you like, but 25 years of the sport rapidly declining in this country is strong evidence to the contrary.

BTW, don’t think that I didn’t notice that you moved the goalposts and failed to address any of the issues I brought up.

Except they weren't crowds of expat Kiwis. But regardless of where a spectator originate from they're still contributing money. If the Tahs play three NZ teams a year and get extra spectators because of it then that's good for the bottom line.

I didn't move the goalposts at all. This thread has been about NRL apparently taking over NZ rugby due to a second team. Most of your post was about Australian rugby exclusively so maybe don't be so quick at throwing those stones in your glasshouse.

Rugby is minor sport in Oz, the reality is it's never going to be mainstream, no one is even claiming that. That's why calls to set up a year long domestic comp to compete directly with NRL is frankly preposterous. It's a losing battle. It's as delusional an outcome as the blokes on here who think a second NRL team in NZ is going takeover rugby in the country. The ARU agreed to Super Rugby Pacific, despite their sabre rattling about going it alone in the media every month like clockwork, because it's the best competition for both countries considering the circumstances.

Related to that, Oz Super teams will improve with regular matches over the season, it wont if they get tonked at an end of year Champions League. We saw that in 2021 and there was even improvement in 2022.

 

[Gobsmacked]

What is it with Australians and lack of comprehension??? I said NRL club not NRL.
No this is about a bunch of Australians who know zero about he sporting landscape in NZ assuming they know what they are talking about. They don't.

And your assumption is that the sporting landscape in NZ can't change... when it already has... to the detriment of Super Rugby...less teams, weaker teams, less competition, less interest. There's talk Australia can't sustain the amount of clubs it has which will weaken the product further...