New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Te Kaha]

Stuff

i.stuff.co.nz

Here’s a former all blacks crapping himself over a second nz nrl side

Then there’s the pay day loan the nzru took out which sees revenue going to a private equity firm forever

finances of the nzru, ra and clubs in general are terrible and in no position to match rugby league

All Black's meltdown over Rugby League's plans for New Zealand

amp.rugby365.com

Are you stupid? Honest question. If its just trolling by you it's not very good.... a direct quote from Mehrtens...
"“I seriously don’t think it will have any material effect, and I’m not sure the NRL really believes it can deal a crippling blow to New Zealand rugby, but rather it is just trying to improve the value of its own brand."

And you think that is "crapping himself"? seriously you have a very low standard.

And there is no "payday loan". If you understood anything about economics you would know that. And its clear by your quote about the "finances" you don't know anything at all.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Sure it isn't. Why do ppl think union ppl are just ready to become league fans & ditch sport they love?!

Exactly....does it work when union people say league wil die....no it doesnt. Union is miles ahead in terms of size world wide to us.

 

[Wb1234]

Are you stupid? Honest question. If its just trolling by you it's not very good.... a direct quote from Mehrtens...
"“I seriously don’t think it will have any material effect, and I’m not sure the NRL really believes it can deal a crippling blow to New Zealand rugby, but rather it is just trying to improve the value of its own brand."

And you think that is "crapping himself"? seriously you have a very low standard.

And there is no "payday loan". If you understood anything about economics you would know that. And it’s clear by your quote about the "finances" you don't know anything at all.

of course it’s a pay day loan the private equity firm gets that money in perpetuity

the article literally says the all blacks guy is having a meltdown

I think maybe he knows a bit more about union in nz than you or me

if he’s having a meltdown then of course it must be good for rugby league

the headline of the article literally says ALL BLACK HAVING A MELTDOWN

it’s pretty funny how way back you used to gaff on about how strong super rugby was and I was telling people like you union in Australia would collapse

the only surprise was I didn’t realise it would weaken so much in nz too

professional union in the pacific is a bust. It’s why it’s founder , Rupert Murdoch, has walked away from his creation

 

[Te Kaha]

of course it’s a pay day loan the private equity firm gets that money in perpetuity

the article literally says the all blacks guy is having a meltdown

I think maybe he knows a bit more about union in nz than you or me

if he’s having a meltdown then of course it must be good for rugby league

the headline of the article literally says ALL BLACK HAVING A MELTDOWN

it’s pretty funny how way back you used to gaff on about how strong super rugby was and I was telling people like you union in Australia would collapse

the only surprise was I didn’t realise it would weaken so much in nz too

professional union in the pacific is a bust. It’s why it’s founder , Rupert Murdoch, has walked away from his creation

So many words for nothing said.

You base an article on a headline? Seriously. You really are dense. And if you actually read the article you would see he said no such thing. In fact he said the opposite. I expected at least a little comprehension from you.

Do you know what an investment is? what leveraged equity is? I didn't think so. Otherwise you wouldn't make yourself look like such a fool by claiming its a "payday loan."

And professional Pacific Rugby is a bust? Why are there now professional academies' set up this year in Fiji and Samoa and next year in Tonga feeding their professional teams in super Rugby?

You're either an idiot troll or a liar. Or both.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

No you really don't know anything about NZ and being a returning banned member doesn't mean you know any more. Player numbers are plummeting and basketball is the beneficiary.

I'm seeing more New Zealanders in the NBL.

Can New Zealand support a second NBL team?

So many words for nothing said.

You base an article on a headline? Seriously. You really are dense. And if you actually read the article you would see he said no such thing. In fact he said the opposite. I expected at least a little comprehension from you.

Do you know what an investment is? what leveraged equity is? I didn't think so. Otherwise you wouldn't make yourself look like such a fool by claiming its a "payday loan."

And professional Pacific Rugby is a bust? Why are there now professional academies' set up this year in Fiji and Samoa and next year in Tonga feeding their professional teams in super Rugby?

You're either an idiot troll or a liar. Or both.

RU in Australia and New Zealand is facing competition at the professional level from cashed up clubs in Europe and Japan. NRL and AFL don't have this burden as Australia has no competition at the professional level in these sports.

Australia and New Zealand are wealthy countries but aren't economic powerhouses like England, France and Japan. It'll get to the point that the only local domestic sports leagues from Australia and New Zealand that can retain their best talent are NRL and AFL.

If the ARLC had any brains it would invest in New Zealand to make the game a strong alternative that can appeal to RU fans. RL won't overtake RU, but it can become a strong second game that carves out a profitable niche. AFL has shown us how to become a viable second sport in non-rusted on markets.

 

[Wb1234]

So many words for nothing said.

You base an article on a headline? Seriously. You really are dense. And if you actually read the article you would see he said no such thing. In fact he said the opposite. I expected at least a little comprehension from you.

Do you know what an investment is? what leveraged equity is? I didn't think so. Otherwise you wouldn't make yourself look like such a fool by claiming its a "payday loan."

And professional Pacific Rugby is a bust? Why are there now professional academies' set up this year in Fiji and Samoa and next year in Tonga feeding their professional teams in super Rugby?

You're either an idiot troll or a liar. Or both.

Inside the NRL's battle plan to take on the All Blacks

There has long been a fascination over the “rugby versus league war” in this country.In reality, ‘war’ is a mismatched descriptor on mor...

businessdesk.co.nz

There you go

maybe you should send him an email for writing this. People might read it and repeat it on this forum

there’s some beautiful quotes in that article if you wish to read it comparing the nrl to a speedboat and nzru to the titanic

 

[Te Kaha]

Inside the NRL's battle plan to take on the All Blacks

There has long been a fascination over the “rugby versus league war” in this country.In reality, ‘war’ is a mismatched descriptor on mor...

businessdesk.co.nz

There you go

maybe you should send him an email for writing this. People might read it and repeat it on this forum

there’s some beautiful quotes in that article if you wish to read it comparing the nrl to a speedboat and nzru to the titanic

And its all hypothetical and means nothing. All that is said is "could" and "should" and assumes the NRL will do something it has failed to do since in its inception and invest in NZ. It also assumes that there will be support in NZ for a second team. Something that has not been shown yet. And given the tanking of League player numbers something not likely to change.

It also assumes that NZR will do nothing.
You did know that since that article was written, NZR has spent millions of its cash influx on the provinces. It has shored up the Unions and helped them with retention programs.

To you League is the superior game. In NZ that has not been and will probably not be seen to be the case by the general public. Just because you say its true doesn't mean it is.

 

[Wb1234]

And its all hypothetical and means nothing. All that is said is "could" and "should" and assumes the NRL will do something it has failed to do since in its inception and invest in NZ. It also assumes that there will be support in NZ for a second team. Something that has not been shown yet. And given the tanking of League player numbers something not likely to change.

It also assumes that NZR will do nothing.
You did know that since that article was written, NZR has spent millions of its cash influx on the provinces. It has shored up the Unions and helped them with retention programs.

To you League is the superior game. In NZ that has not been and will probably not be seen to be the case by the general public. Just because you say its true doesn't mean it is.

Why does it mean nothing ?

just because you don’t like what the author is saying ?

bury your head in the sand all you want too

I didn’t start this thread but it’s something I strongly agree with

anyway the next nrl side will be Perth so the nzru has a good decade to try and turn things around

but the way the nrl is going the juggernaut is sure going to be hard to hold back

 

[Te Kaha]

Why does it mean nothing ?

just because you don’t like what the author is saying ?

bury your head in the sand all you want too

I didn’t start this thread but it’s something I strongly agree with

anyway the next nrl side will be Perth so the nzru has a good decade to try and turn things around

but the way the nrl is going the juggernaut is sure going to be hard to hold back

It means nothing because it is just someone's opinion. It makes assumptions to things that have not and may not ever happen.
It assumes free to air coverage. Since League doesn't rate it will only be delayed on Prime, after any Rugby.
It assumes a "multi million dollar marketing program, which the NRL could have been doing for years but hasn't, ever.
it assumes a "magic round" which would only be Auckland, who wouldn't pay for it.
it assumes money and support for a second team despite their not being any and no obvious sign of it.
It assumes the NRL establishing junior pathways for a diminishing and dying contact sport base.

Its an aspirational piece with little to no substance.

 

[Matua]

It means nothing because it is just someone's opinion. It makes assumptions to things that have not and may not ever happen.
It assumes free to air coverage. Since League doesn't rate it will only be delayed on Prime, after any Rugby.
It assumes a "multi million dollar marketing program, which the NRL could have been doing for years but hasn't, ever.
it assumes a "magic round" which would only be Auckland, who wouldn't pay for it.
it assumes money and support for a second team despite their not being any and no obvious sign of it.
It assumes the NRL establishing junior pathways for a diminishing and dying contact sport base.

Its an aspirational piece with little to no substance.

Written by (a decent) journalist who happens to be the biggest league cheerleader in the country.

anyway the next nrl side will be Perth so the nzru has a good decade to try and turn things around

You've moved on from league is going to take over NZ earlier in the thread to not for a decade at least.

 

[Wb1234]

Written by (a decent) journalist who happens to be the biggest league cheerleader in the country.


You've moved on from league is going to take over NZ earlier in the thread to not for a decade at least.

No but I mean it’s hard for the arlc to squash the nzru like a bug when the next team in will be Perth

but just like union in Australia the whole pacific isn’t looking good for union

but hey the all blacks can play tests in England Japan and France it will be fine

who cares if super rugby has been a huge failure lol

 

[Matua]

No but I mean it’s hard for the arlc to squash the nzru like a bug when the next team in will be Perth

but just like union in Australia the whole pacific isn’t looking good for union

but hey the all blacks can play tests in England Japan and France it will be fine

who cares if super rugby has been a huge failure lol

I don't know whether to congratulate you for keeping up this terrible line of trolling or feel sorry for how deluded you are.

If league is so powerful it shouldn't need a second NZ team in the NRL to squash rugby.

Also, Super Rugby Pacific hasn't been a huge failure, not in NZ at least.

 

[Wb1234]

I don't know whether to congratulate you for keeping up this terrible line of trolling or feel sorry for how deluded you are.

If league is so powerful it shouldn't need a second NZ team in the NRL to squash rugby.

Also, Super Rugby Pacific hasn't been a huge failure, not in NZ at least.

Lmao one nrl team against the all blacks and all those super rugby sides

but fear of the warriors was what made nz union embrace professionalism

anyway I don’t know why my opinion matters so much to you but it’s nice people care lol

 

[Matua]

Lmao one nrl team against the all blacks and all those super rugby sides

You're the one who has spent most of this thread claiming the imminent demise of rugby in NZ and now you're reversing like an Italian tank in North Africa during WW2. Maybe we're getting through to you.

but fear of the warriors was what made nz union embrace professionalism

Oz and NZ had been pushing for professional rugby long before the inception of the Warriors. It took until 1995 to get other countries on board.

anyway I don’t know why my opinion matters so much to you but it’s nice people care lol

No one cares about your opinion any more or less than anyone else's. It's a forum, discussion is what it's made for. If we can help reduce some of you ignorance by engaging with you then all good. But you appear to want to remain ignorant so we may just be pissing uphill.

 

[mongoose]

Of course RU will never die in NZ but surely the domestic game is vulnerable. Super Rugby is losing relevance year on year so the only options for professionals will be Europe. If the NRL put in a lot of investment it could be luring a lot more players and fans and maybe one day be the most followed competition in the country.

 

[Matua]

Of course RU will never die in NZ but surely the domestic game is vulnerable. Super Rugby is losing relevance year on year so the only options for professionals will be Europe. If the NRL put in a lot of investment it could be luring a lot more players and fans and maybe one day be the most followed competition in the country.

It's really too early to make a conclusion on Super Rugby. The competition has had one season and I think Sky was pretty happy with how it went overall. I think it will need a couple of seasons to bed in, for the Oz and PI teams to become more competitive. Covid changed the landscape for Super rugby.

With the addition of the USA rugby comp there's actually been more depth in NZ rugby in the last few years as players can play NPC and if they don't get a Super/Japanese contract they can then go to the US and get paid. My home province, Hawkes Bay, has a team of mostly Super Rugby and USA comp players. What domestic league team would get similar quality and support in Hawkes Bay?

If Japan properly joins Super rugby and slightly better aligns their club comp then the depth remaining in the country will likely increase.

I also don't think, useless as they are, that World Rugby would let SH rugby fall over. Losing Oz and NZ at a high level would be detrimental to the sport.

 

[Wb1234]

You're the one who has spent most of this thread claiming the imminent demise of rugby in NZ and now you're reversing like an Italian tank in North Africa during WW2. Maybe we're getting through to you.


Oz and NZ had been pushing for professional rugby long before the inception of the Warriors. It took until 1995 to get other countries on board.


No one cares about your opinion any more or less than anyone else's. It's a forum, discussion is what it's made for. If we can help reduce some of you ignorance by engaging with you then all good. But you appear to want to remain ignorant so we may just be pissing uphill.

If you don’t care about my opinion stop responding to it

your even responding to posts not directed at you, when I’ve ignored previous replies from you

got to love internet forums

someone starts a thread and people get upset when you don’t agree with their views

 

[Matua]

If you don’t care about my opinion stop responding to it

your even responding to posts not directed at you, when I’ve ignored previous replies from you

got to love internet forums

someone starts a thread and people get upset when you don’t agree with their views

Bahaha. It's a forum, if you're going to post bullshit and I read it I'm going to call you on it. That's the point of forums. If you start posting non bullshit then I probably will ignore it.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Eddie Jones reiterates desire to coach NRL following sacking by England

 

[Wb1234]

Bahaha. It's a forum, if you're going to post bullshit and I read it I'm going to call you on it. That's the point of forums. If you start posting non bullshit then I probably will ignore it.

Princess nobody said you can’t respond