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NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

Von Hipper

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Um yeah that's kind of why most of them like to try and lose money or break even every year.

And ultimately they would wish for nrl funding to be used for buying things since the juggle elsewhere is difficult.

I don't see any way out of it by cutting off heads but rather ramping up funding over time. Maybe not too much too soon. I'd just like to know with all the figures what that's going to be.

Let's face it, a digital department is pretty important. I can see why they should be pooling funding, why I made my template model and they can fill in gaps as needed. I don't think loosening purse strings until all the gold falls out is the greatest plan but it's a start.

The nrl should be at the end of the line. The danger for the clubs, players and fans and juniors is that the nrl loses complete control on directing where it's funding goes. If the clubs do this there is every reason other satellite places jig their models to count on nrl money somewhat, pushing it all out further since the net is wider.

It's a RL security thing surely. On the one hand you have that, lack of agency, and on the other nrl direct things like digital and juniors.
 
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El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...l/news-story/50d496aa138a3b24758f5ff8483e8492

NRL row: Clubs to allow John Grant to stay under latest deal

  • The Australian
  • 12:00AM December 16, 2016
  • Brent Read

    8a2fbfa2e92a609cfd30a16a25de7e5a
Disgruntled clubs have made a counteroffer to the ARL Commission that would result in John Grant remaining as chairman for a further 12 months but then stand down and pave the way for others to take charge of the game.

Only days before an extraordinary general meeting designed to lop off Grant’s head, it is understood the clubs responded to the commission’s latest offer with a proposition of their own that would allow the chairman to fight off his axing.

However, the agreement would be conditional on Grant stepping down at the end of next year. It would also be reliant on agreement being reached on a handful of key issues, the most significant being the funding of the clubs from 2018 onwards.

The commission is due to meet today to discuss the club’s latest proposal and there is growing confidence that Grant can save his position with a deal that goes some way towards resembling the original memorandum of understanding struck last year and heralded by Grant at the time as a landmark agreement for the game.

That deal went pear-shaped when the commission suddenly decided they could no longer afford to fund their commitments, prompting the clubs to turn their crosshairs on Grant.

However, Grant and clubs spokesman Bart Campbell have been involved in intense negotiations in recent days as the ARLC chairman attempted to reach an agreement with the clubs that would save his position.

Grant, who less than a fortnight ago said he still expected to be in charge of the game in five years, now has genuine hope that he will survive the push to have him removed, although questions would rightly be asked about his power given any agreement would require a significant backdown from the commission.

Importantly, it is believed the clubs have been given indications that their financial requirements will be met — they want the annual grant to be 130 per cent of the salary cap from 2018.

While that concession will ease some of the tension between the clubs and the commission, it is likely to result in the pressure being moved elsewhere, in particular the talks between the NRL and the Rugby League Players Association over the collective bargaining agreement.

The parties are in the process of escalating talks with the salary cap set to be a central component of those discussions as the RLPA seeks to have the players share a fixed percentage of the game’s revenue from 2018.

It is understood clubs have also made it clear in their counter-proposal that they want to fast-track constitutional change that would give them two representatives on the commission itself. The states are also pushing to have one place on the eight-member body, leaving the remaining five positions to be filled by independent directors.

Any decision to fast-track constitutional change would raise question marks over plans to have Australian Olympic Committee president John Coates conduct a review of the constitution, an announcement trumpeted by Grant only weeks ago as he sought to make peace with the clubs.

Moves to change the constitution would also require the support of the Queensland and NSW Rugby Leagues and while the clubs have the support of the latter as one of 15 shareholders to endorse Grant’s removal, it is understood the QRL has taken legal advice in recent days.

Queensland has ruled out giving up its veto powers — it can stop any changes to the constitution — but it has backed the clubs’ push to have representatives on the commission itself.

Today’s meeting of the commission is likely to be decisive and a positive response to the clubs’ counter-proposal could negate the need for next week’s extraordinary general meeting, where Grant was expected to be removed as chairman.

After the emotions that surrounded the original meeting between the clubs and the commission, the stance of several clubs has softened to the point that they are now willing to allow Grant to stay.

While they have the numbers to force his removal, there are clubs who are keen to avoid the situation given concerns over how it would reflect on the code and whether his removal would bring about change.

Grant also has the full backing of the other seven commissioners. Should he be removed, the remaining seven commissioners would be charged with finding a replacement and appointing a new chair, creating the prospect that the status quo would remain.
 

Von Hipper

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So has this all been just a storm in a teacup?

Probably and of course given everything thats been done in this time, and people will always complain, its not so bad a result going forward if they can manage to sort it all out in-house like they are.
 

siv

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Wonder who is funding Cronulla's CoE

FC, LC or developer ?

Can we do a roll call on which clubs don't have a CoE
 

siv

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Probably and of course given everything thats been done in this time, and people will always complain, its not so bad a result going forward if they can manage to sort it all out in-house like they are.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...l/news-story/50d496aa138a3b24758f5ff8483e8492

NRL row: Clubs to allow John Grant to stay under latest deal

  • The Australian
  • 12:00AM December 16, 2016
  • Brent Read

    8a2fbfa2e92a609cfd30a16a25de7e5a
Disgruntled clubs have made a counteroffer to the ARL Commission that would result in John Grant remaining as chairman for a further 12 months but then stand down and pave the way for others to take charge of the game.

Only days before an extraordinary general meeting designed to lop off Grant’s head, it is understood the clubs responded to the commission’s latest offer with a proposition of their own that would allow the chairman to fight off his axing.

However, the agreement would be conditional on Grant stepping down at the end of next year. It would also be reliant on agreement being reached on a handful of key issues, the most significant being the funding of the clubs from 2018 onwards.

The commission is due to meet today to discuss the club’s latest proposal and there is growing confidence that Grant can save his position with a deal that goes some way towards resembling the original memorandum of understanding struck last year and heralded by Grant at the time as a landmark agreement for the game.

That deal went pear-shaped when the commission suddenly decided they could no longer afford to fund their commitments, prompting the clubs to turn their crosshairs on Grant.

However, Grant and clubs spokesman Bart Campbell have been involved in intense negotiations in recent days as the ARLC chairman attempted to reach an agreement with the clubs that would save his position.

Grant, who less than a fortnight ago said he still expected to be in charge of the game in five years, now has genuine hope that he will survive the push to have him removed, although questions would rightly be asked about his power given any agreement would require a significant backdown from the commission.

Importantly, it is believed the clubs have been given indications that their financial requirements will be met — they want the annual grant to be 130 per cent of the salary cap from 2018.

While that concession will ease some of the tension between the clubs and the commission, it is likely to result in the pressure being moved elsewhere, in particular the talks between the NRL and the Rugby League Players Association over the collective bargaining agreement.

The parties are in the process of escalating talks with the salary cap set to be a central component of those discussions as the RLPA seeks to have the players share a fixed percentage of the game’s revenue from 2018.

It is understood clubs have also made it clear in their counter-proposal that they want to fast-track constitutional change that would give them two representatives on the commission itself. The states are also pushing to have one place on the eight-member body, leaving the remaining five positions to be filled by independent directors.

Any decision to fast-track constitutional change would raise question marks over plans to have Australian Olympic Committee president John Coates conduct a review of the constitution, an announcement trumpeted by Grant only weeks ago as he sought to make peace with the clubs.

Moves to change the constitution would also require the support of the Queensland and NSW Rugby Leagues and while the clubs have the support of the latter as one of 15 shareholders to endorse Grant’s removal, it is understood the QRL has taken legal advice in recent days.

Queensland has ruled out giving up its veto powers — it can stop any changes to the constitution — but it has backed the clubs’ push to have representatives on the commission itself.

Today’s meeting of the commission is likely to be decisive and a positive response to the clubs’ counter-proposal could negate the need for next week’s extraordinary general meeting, where Grant was expected to be removed as chairman.

After the emotions that surrounded the original meeting between the clubs and the commission, the stance of several clubs has softened to the point that they are now willing to allow Grant to stay.

While they have the numbers to force his removal, there are clubs who are keen to avoid the situation given concerns over how it would reflect on the code and whether his removal would bring about change.

Grant also has the full backing of the other seven commissioners. Should he be removed, the remaining seven commissioners would be charged with finding a replacement and appointing a new chair, creating the prospect that the status quo would remain.

After doing a NSWRL level deal now we are seeing the clubs doing the same with QRL so that clubs can push through constitutional changes rather than have them veto any changes

Seems we have a lot of fine print in the commission setup
 

siv

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Why settle for CoE when you can have grass

The Penrith Panthers Have Just Announced A WORLD Rugby League First
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Panthers boss Phil Gould Photo: Getty Images

In a rugby league world first, Australia’s first all-weather synthetic rugby league field is to be built in Western Sydney, and it has the backing of the NRL.

The $6-million project will be built at Kellyville Ridge Reserve in February next year and will open for the 2018 season.

NRL chief Brian Canavan said the field would be a hub for rugby league in Western Sydney.

"This is another significant investment by our game to ensure that we continue to support the growth and participation of Rugby League throughout Western Sydney," Mr Canavan said.

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Photo: www.penrithpanthers.com.au

Panthers boss Phil Gould said the synthetic field would be a tremendous boost for the sporting code in the region.

"Congratulations to the Blacktown Council and the NRL representatives who have worked so hard to make this wonderful facility possible," he said.

"This innovative synthetic playing field will provide tremendous benefits to the local community.

"We are delighted to have this revolutionary playing field in the Penrith District Junior Rugby League area."

It's understood synthetic sports fields allow for three times the play that even the most advanced natural grass fields
 

Perth Red

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After doing a NSWRL level deal now we are seeing the clubs doing the same with QRL so that clubs can push through constitutional changes rather than have them veto any changes

Seems we have a lot of fine print in the commission setup

Yep,I've said all along this is mostly about constitutional change to give clubs more power before they sign the perpetual license agreement and lose their bargaining chip of threatening to break away. Shame, would have been nice to see an indpependent commision last more than a few years, I guess this is rugby league and self interest above the sport is inevitable in our game.
 

adamkungl

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Yep,I've said all along this is mostly about constitutional change to give clubs more power before they sign the perpetual license agreement and lose their bargaining chip of threatening to break away. Shame, would have been nice to see an indpependent commision last more than a few years, I guess this is rugby league and self interest above the sport is inevitable in our game.

Independence from News ownership was always the main aim and was supported by basically everyone.

Total independence from any other faction within the game is an extremely debatable concept.
 
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Independence from News ownership was always the main aim and was supported by basically everyone.

Total independence from any other faction within the game is an extremely debatable concept.

Well said.

The friction we see now is purely a symptom of the games self interest rubbing against the games constitutional framework

I do not doubt for a second News Ltd works to promote this friction. Rupert is quite old now but its only a matter of time.
 

Stormwarrior82

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Those articles are laughable.

They try to drag Qrls Betros name in the mud and then basically say that Grant is sucking up to the clubs to keep his job.

Funny how they are both from Qld. Haters are going to hate.

Is Quayle a Nswelshman? Hmmm

The clubs seem to be wanting more than what they did before the Commission pulled the MOU off the table. There is no way that Grant and the commission would give the clubs exactly what they wanted at the start. It would make everything that happened since then pointless. If the 130% stays either the clubs digital costs are included, the players agree to take a hit in the pocket or other associated costs are included in the funding agreement.
 

Stormwarrior82

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Would players get sympathy or vitriol from fans if they went on strike for more pay I wonder?

It wouldminnso e ways have made more sense for the NRL to agree the salary cap before agrreeing the club grant would it not?

http://www.afr.com/business/sport/why-there-could-be-a-strike-in-sport-next-year-20161208-gt73rv

The clubs media department would make sure they stay out of the firing line. Wonder how the rlpa feels about the clubs telling everyone they are the lifeblood of the game and demand the majority share.
 

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