NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

[Von Hipper]

Not sur where he gets his figures from?
1. The club grant, if a % of the cap, can't be decided yet as the salary cap,hasn't been decided so the $13mill is a guess
2. Even if it is $13mill, 13x16 clubs is $208mill not $220mill
3. Surely the $12mill to nswrl and qrl should sit in the $100mill grass roots funding?
4. Not sure where he is getting annual revenue of $470mill from unless the NRL non media revenue is going backwards over the next 6 years?

If, and its a very big if, his figures are correct and and the NRL is only going to be left with $7mill discretionary funding each year that is terrible outcome for the game.

My thoughts on all this have been a in a state of flux; because we don't know if the ARLC is getting something good in return - I think they will and its about the licenses

I think Kent is annoyed he's not getting his interview anymore and that he's only taking a narrow look since that's where the juice is, those questions would have been good to get answers on. But why do the interview if you don't know you will be there next week eh. Pretty bad if true knowing what we know now about the finances. Its probably something like 120-150M considering the non broadcast revenue; have not looked up last years breakdown and how its used. They could still fund everything I think.

They are a major stakeholder and it is clear there is a disconnect between the commision and the clubs. It is one of the big problems of having everything RL being run by one body, there are a lot of competing, and sometimes conflicting, interests. I'm not sure having the clubs on the commision is a good idea, nor having nswrl and qrl on the commision tbh. Ideally you would have an independent commision with very good relationships, communications and involvement with the different stakeholders. But those stakeholders also have to accept they are the not the be all and end all and at times have to compromise for the good of the game.

Take a look at this Q and A. Even super flush and bedded in leagues struggle at times between different sections.

Got to hope everyone can sit in the same room and see the sport on the table in the full light.

Does the premier league have power over the football association? Nope...

http://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/football-associations-power/

IF they function in their new roles how they are supposed to even though they're effectively changing the flavour of the water by being all in one then it could pan out ok.

Could be for best, or the worst, if the future funding does not make everything a lot better.

I would be interested to know why, after so aggresively disbanding the affiliated states boards and structures, they have not brought the qrl and nswrl under the NRL in the same way?

I have no idea myself except to think it got put on the backburner during the review, i seem to remember they didn't want to touch it as they felt the states administered very good by themselves. Read: twisted arms I think/not enough money.

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I could change my mind when its explained to me. Like the last week guy said, there wasn't anything highly wrong with the existing structure. I think the formation of the club-body blew up everyone's head.

When they first formed the commission there was no all-powerful millitant player association and there was no millitant club body. Looking back will this be the one main failing of the existing system, not having as much 'glue' from the begining?

What concerns me are the reaons behind it. But if the new licenses are up to snuff then thats ok surely. Such as we know the clubs want two guys on there, but not who and how it will all go or how it will all work out in board meetings; but if there's new rules all way up and down, then it'll probably be great.

Then funding. If a hard 30% that going to raise serious questions (like we are) about an entire sports funding future, but it need not be doom/gloom entirely.

If we look at the future with the new model and 13M for each club (if it is) then there will be no loses by clubs if they can manage their costs; maybe even get the safety net in place.

I hope a football department cap is introduced before too long. There was a story on that. Could all tie into the new licenses, and if top to bottom is run in unison and the licenses are structured good then great.

My aprehension is simply down to not knowing the nuts and bolts and the rushed nature of latest talks. Can't even rely on the reporting.

If they are watering things down too much they probably may as well not bother. There is NO wiggle room if what Kent is saying is true; and even if there really is 100M+ to spare provided its not all accounted for - they will have to be making plans that seriously work well, effectively from top down. But even then unforseen benefits/consequences of this could prove great.

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^ The above is on the condition that this stand off was a double-sided one. That the ARLC is glad they are signing full proper licenses, and don't mind if they do these changes too much, as the extra funding won't be such a big deal.

The way its being painted (by news of all people) is a win for the clubs and the ARLC capitulated, I probably lean toward it being a win-win. I think the ARLC went hard line (ala greenberg comment) to force their side of it too, considering it dragged on for so long.

In that case its a good sign.

Whats not a good sign is the 3b revenue and not a cent in the bank. Kent must know they would have had more in the rainy day if they were not bailing everyone out - the whole point of the safety net. Peform well or the funds will have to come out the grant.

Have to wait and see. The great positive is if and only if the clubs are out of trouble then that makes governing the rest of the sport much easier.

Got to get that Digital though, look at major league baseballs version. Kent may not talk about that since it's partly what news does.

 

[El Diablo]

I would be interested to know why, after so aggresively disbanding the affiliated states boards and structures, they have not brought the qrl and nswrl under the NRL in the same way?

to give you something to bitch about

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Wait, what? So there's not going to be another breakaway league?

You mean the Telegraph lied?

 

[siv]

They are a major stakeholder and it is clear there is a disconnect between the commision and the clubs. It is one of the big problems of having everything RL being run by one body, there are a lot of competing, and sometimes conflicting, interests. I'm not sure having the clubs on the commision is a good idea, nor having nswrl and qrl on the commision tbh. Ideally you would have an independent commision with very good relationships, communications and involvement with the different stakeholders. But those stakeholders also have to accept they are the not the be all and end all and at times have to compromise for the good of the game.

At the moment we have evolved into 4 groups trying to do the same thing

ARLC
NRL
The clubs
QRL/NSWRL

The NRL stopped trying to be organisation that runs the elite competition, by trying to takeover every other facet of the game. From grassroots to Kangaroos and RL across the Pacific

While the QRL and NSWRL want to control their turf and remind everyone they setup the ARL by bothing having veto rights

And now the clubs want to not only move out from under the NSWRL but also the NRL

There are a lot of groups that have forgotten their charters under the ARLC

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ohn-grant-set-to-survive-20161217-gtd8yo.html

NRL clubs still united but ARL Commission chairman John Grant set to survive

• Adam Pengilly
  

John Grant is set to receive a 12-month stay of execution to allow the Australian Rugby League Commission chairman to work through a long-term club funding model, but support for the embattled administrator in his home state remains divided.

As the clubs and ARLC inch towards ending an ugly split about how the game's record $1.8billion broadcast deal will be divvied up from 2018, the Brisbane Broncos and North Queensland Cowboys reaffirmed their commitment to the NRL clubs seeking last year's memorandum of understanding be put back on the table.

There had been claims the Broncos and Cowboys were wavering in the move to dump Grant from rugby league's top administrative post, but the two NRL grand finalists from last year privately told fellow club bosses on Saturday they would not budge on the feud over club grants and would stand with their fellow clubs.

It leaves Grant with less than 48hours to come to an agreement with clubs spokesperson and Melbourne chairman Bart Campbell – as well as the other NRL chairmen – to avert an extraordinary general meeting set down for Tuesday.

The NRL clubs – excluding the League Central-owned Gold Coast Titans and Newcastle Knights – are still relying on the EGM as a last resort if an agreement can't be reached on Monday.

Such a scenario would be a bitter way for the sport to head into the Christmas-new year holiday period and a public relations disaster and give Grant plenty of time for reflection about his removal.

The clubs have lodged enough proxy votes to dump him from the ARLC if required. But there is a growing belief the ARLC and the clubs will come to an 11th-hour agreement.

A theory had emerged Grant would be able to lean on the support of clubs in his home state to turn the numbers in his favour if it came to a vote, but it is unlikely that will be the case given commitments over the weekend. Any thoughts of driving a wedge between club bosses along state lines has firmly been ditched with Fairfax Media told the NRL franchises are as united now as when rugby league's civil war broke out last month.

The role of Queensland Rugby League chairman Peter Betros – who has pledged his support for Grant – has been questioned by those in club land who argued his position was at odds with his immediate remarks after Grant told NRL clubs and the two state associations the MoU was off the table.

The disgruntled NRL clubs still

want Grant and the ARLC to reinstate the 130 per cent of the salary cap in-principle agreement, which was dramatically scrapped during a fiery meeting with head office last month.

Since then talks between Grant and Campbell have meant relations have slowly thawed to the point where it is expected clubs will get their desired wish and certainty over a funding model from 2018 onwards. It is likely to be signed off on Monday evening.

Club powerbrokers will still push for constitutional change for the ARLC to cater for two representatives from the NRL franchises and a deal prompting Grant to step down as chairman in a year's time will allow him to work through the finer details of a long-term agreement.

It is a far cry from the defiant stance he took in the wake of the club funding spat where he said he expected to remain as ARLC chair in five years time.

It will be part of a push for more representation from those at the coalface on the ARLC after the commission was set up with a charter of eight independent directors in 2011 and Grant as its inaugural chair.

Despite looking increasingly likely to survive a very public threat to his tenure – the clubs have long argued his scalp has been their only power to affect change – his legacy will be argued over in the next 12 months if the clubs sign off on the planned agreement on Monday

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

My suspicion is that the clubs are afraid they will lose the vote....

They probably have the numbers, but, if ARLC can peal 2 clubs away and defeat the motion, it will be vindication for the ARLCs negotiations.

Im guessing the Clubs prefer to settle and cement a win instead of risking a vote...

 

[Von Hipper]

whatever it is its super fking ridiculous

 

[Jatz Crackers]

Agh my sides.

I've been told many times that the commission is brilliant and been abused for saying otherwise for about four years.

Hmmmmm. I'll let the facts speak for themselves.

The facts are that its not just been the last 4 years. You have been dead set against the Commission since well before the Commission's formation & held that intractable position so you can continue to bag it to this day.

You are the equivalent of the old man telling the local kids to "get off my lawn"

Noone should pay attention to your constant whining & bitching. Your views are as constipated as a hessian bag full of slurry.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

The facts are that its not just been the last 4 years. You have been dead set against the Commission since well before the Commission's formation & held that intractable position so you can continue to bag it to this day.

You are the equivalent of the old man telling the local kids to "get off my lawn"

Noone should pay attention to your constant whining & bitching. Your views are as constipated as a hessian bag full of slurry.

And what facts disprove my point?

The commission is a clusterf**k.

You don't want to pay attention to my views, even though they are evidently on point. The people who are still trying to claim the commission is anything other than a massive failure can't hack being wrong and are still deluding themselves about it. I said it would be shit and it is. Suck it up and accept being wrong. Some people have changed their tune big time in recent times. Only a few are still kidding themselves.

 

[Von Hipper]

And what facts disprove my point?

The commission is a clusterf**k.

You don't want to pay attention to my views, even though they are evidently on point. The people who are still trying to claim the commission is anything other than a massive failure can't hack being wrong and are still deluding themselves about it. I said it would be shit and it is. Suck it up and accept being wrong. Some people have changed their tune big time in recent times. Only a few are still kidding themselves.

Ive been onto you for a while too. Absolute dribbler who sticks knives in with a smile. The sport needs time and money to invest in itself - not more wages for staff at clubs, chairmen on 400-750k, ect and all that crap.

These same people have got on the gravy train for 25 years, laughed, instituted super league, run clubs into the ground and wasted money while oiling up their buddies at newspapers, sucking up to channel 9 and generally failing to progress out of the 80s.

Thats got nothing on the NRL's spend these days. Heaven forbid that the NRL spend money - because for the past 25 years they have had zero investment and zero infrastructure gains - the clubs can't even sell tickets by themselves.

There's brazilian 2nd division soccer clubs who are better off than these guys. They want to be the NBA at club level when they're putting in the effort equivalent to Morroco soccer

 

[East Coast Tiger]

GW here..

 

[El Diablo]

GW here..

just put Poor Boy Blues/GW on ignore and you can't see his shit even if someone quotes him

 

[East Coast Tiger]

just put Poor Boy Blues/GW on ignore and you can't see his shit even if someone quotes him

Yeah but his posts are a sobering reminder of the scourge of mental illness in modern society and makes one appreciate being lucid and sensical.

 

[El Diablo]

if you've read one you've read enough

i don't know how anyone could actually read his war and peace crap

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Oh I don't read them. But it's worth a chuckle as you scroll down past them.

You have to give him some credit. It would be pretty hard typing all that with a straight jacket on and pencil in your mouth. And the institution only has limited free time.

 

[Von Hipper]

Yeah but his posts are a sobering reminder of the scourge of mental illness in modern society and makes one appreciate being lucid and sensical.

mental illness? LMFAO! You're the person (man or female, we dont know which) who comes on here with a SUPER negativity complex, talks down the sport constantly - and Im quite sure you don't even watch the sport! lol.

You never comment on game threads, you never say a positive word about the actual 'rugby league' - you're an absolute farce.

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Im not the one spending all my time commenting on things I hate - you hate rugby league and you hate me. I pity you, fool. Maybe its your medical condition you are on about.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Free time again for GW.

Give the guy who eats flies a turn.

 

[Von Hipper]

if you've read one you've read enough

i don't know how anyone could actually read his war and peace crap

I dont know if that loser runs the site or something, but his comments are the most vile of all. If he has a friend beyond this board (and he clearly doesn't being negative and disgusted with each and every poster on here) then I would be surprised.

El diablo - more like El Tryhard who gets off trying to push people around - little man/weak man/ man with small dik, ect. lol Who cares nitwit - its people like you with 80k posts who no one aspires to in life.

"Oh yeh, I run a sever where I literally tell ppl to fk off! lol"

(they're thinking - what a LoSeR!)

Both of you fakkkkoootgs hate your lives, I am loving this.

Actually, thats el diks alter ego. It fits so perfectly.

 

[Von Hipper]

Oh I don't read them. But it's worth a chuckle as you scroll down past them.

You have to give him some credit. It would be pretty hard typing all that with a straight jacket on and pencil in your mouth. And the institution only has limited free time.

Yes you do, you little wimp. They just crap all over anything your bitter, negative, (probably sexless) mind can come up with.

Counter it, or shut up...I mean, look at you, genius - you have every minority team in existance in your signature. Talk about a nitwit. I picture someone with coke bottle glases in a wheelchair and crazy eyes.

I'll check back another time for your next one, zitface, give you time to man up and address the issue.


If you two were not so bitter and negative I'd swear you'd both have had a root in the past 5 years

I know! I have an idea - you could cheer each other up by going off and fking each other! That way you'll smile more, be more constructive and be much happier! And everyone else won't have to listen to your negative, anti-nrl, anti rl nonsense ever again...

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Didn't read.

Do you draft your posts on the padded wall in your own shit before typing them up?