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NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

Perth Red

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Probably loving it, best thing that could happen for the rlpa would be a club grant tied to a salary cap, means the NRL would,be fighting on two fronts as increased salary cap equals more money to clubs. Clubs will come out and be all for the players getting more money!
 

Stormwarrior82

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Probably loving it, best thing that could happen for the rlpa would be a club grant tied to a salary cap, means the NRL would,be fighting on two fronts as increased salary cap equals more money to clubs. Clubs will come out and be all for the players getting more money!

That might seem the case and I'm sure the clubs will try that. although the Nrl has already made there stance clear and said that there is no more money left. The Nrl have showed there hand. And it's empty...
All that can happen is take money from somewhere else?
 

El Diablo

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...n/news-story/cc7986626124f8dcd580c9f0bd3368e9

Teams
John Grant to stay ARL Commission chairman but millions of questions remain
cc7986626124f8dcd580c9f0bd3368e9

Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
an hour ago

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ONLY rugby league’s ability to not get the job done could have saved ARL Commission chairman John Grant from being sacked ... for not getting the job done.

Let’s go back four seasons when the Commission, still fresh and filled with good intent, announced its whole-of-game strategy.

Six pillars would drive the game and included in that was a centralisation of rugby league. By bringing the NSW and Queensland Rugby Leagues under the stewardship of the NRL it would save the game $8 million a year and everybody was glad.

It not only did not happen, both organisations have got bigger and are expanding.

The NSWRL announced in June it would build a $20m centre of excellence, even though clubs are considered responsible for elite development. The QRL has eight full-time social media staff in a terrific show of how to waste money.

They grow and spend, even though the game was broke three weeks ago.

Not anymore, apparently.

Immediately after the now infamous walkout meeting last month, all 16 clubs and the NSWRL and QRL met and agreed Grant’s position was untenable. Grant told them Todd Greenberg’s advice was the game could not afford to fund them the $13 million, a figure where the NRL chief executive “staked his career” on being right but which as since been overturned.

Within days, though, Newcastle and Gold Coast had voted to support Grant and so, too, had the QRL.

The Knights and Titans did so because they are owned and funded by the NRL. Nobody knows why Queensland did.

Yet they became crucial in saving Grant.

Watching Grant lose the public war, I called him last week for an interview. It would not be a “why won’t you step down” interview but “tell us why you are doing a good job”, given he was losing the PR war with the clubs.

Still, there were hard answers demanded.

Grant agreed but asked for it to be put off until Monday. Come Monday, he needed 48 hours.

He was lobbying the clubs, knowing he needed two to flip to save his job.

The clubs made three demands: they wanted the 130 per cent grant back on the table, they wanted two representatives on the Commission and they wanted Grant gone.

Their real target was Greenberg but constitutionally they could chase only the chairman.

So Grant worked the QRL and, through them, got Brisbane and North Queensland to flip.

It will be announced on Tuesday the clubs have voted “unanimously” — given the war is lost — that the vote to oust Grant is over, that the clubs will get their $13m a year funding and two seats will be made available on the Commission. Grant will leave in 12 months, down on the five years he initially preferred but better than being sacked on Tuesday.

As one club boss said: “If this was on the table three weeks ago it would have been a terrific deal, but why did we have to go through three weeks of this to get it?”

Figures leaked to The Telegraph show the NRL has an annual $470m in broadcast revenue from 2018-2022.

Of that, $70m will go in sales costs. Another $220m a year will go to the 16 clubs ($13m each a year) and NSWRL and QRL ($6m each). Running the NRL competition and paying the 200-plus staff will cost $73m a year. Another $100m will be spent on grassroots, a 330 per cent increase on the $30m spent this year.

It leaves the NRL $7m to bank for future funding.

The NRL is still far from doing a satisfactory job. The Commission is gutless and invisible. They posted Grant, leaving him alone to face the wrath of the clubs, with not one coming to support him. They don’t seem to have the capacity to make the administration function properly, efficiently or make it achieve their own stated lofty goals.

In 2012 the NRL promised average crowds of 20,000 by 2017: Fail.

It promised year on year television ratings rise: Fail.

It promised 400,000 memberships: Fail.

It promised $200m in the bank for “key projects”: Fail.

Grant no longer needs an interview to state his case because he has lobbied the clubs and saved his job and fair enough, but the questions remain:

How can the NRL claim to be strapped for cash three weeks ago but now have money to fund the clubs at the upper end of what the wanted?

Where did it come from?

How much money does the NRL have in the bank? (Answer: $50m)

The $200m surplus for a future fund by 2017. Where did the money go?

When the NRL announced its television deal in 2012, you said: “The cash is useful in providing funding to grow our game from the grassroots to the elite level.” Yet last month you explained the funding withdrawal to clubs because: “We also understand the grassroots needs to be fed because this game is going backwards, slowly but determinately, in terms of grassroots participation.”

How did you get it so wrong?

What responsibility does the Commission take for this?

An extra $70m is about to be spent in to grassroots annually. Yet in August the man in charge of grassroots, Andrew Hill, the general manager of league integration and game development, quit and has not been replaced. How can a department with no boss make a decision on how the money should be spent?

How does the NRL justify a 330 per cent increase? How will this money be spent effectively?

You have told the clubs it will cost the NRL $80m for digital, another reason the game could not afford to fund the clubs what was promised. How did the NRL come up with that figure?

The NRL has traditionally been a content provider, why does it feel the need to produce content at a significant cost?

The clubs are unhappy with Todd Greenberg’s performance, your third CEO in the five years of the Commission, how do you and your Commission you rate his performance?

They are legitimate questions, all requiring consideration from the NRL and an explanation.

Not for the clubs, but for the fans, who entrusted their game to these people and yet suffer through black headlines and discover that, five years into new management, so many of the promises made have not added up to a hill of beans.

According to the NRL’s figures, by the end of 2022 the Commission after having been in place 11 years, would have received almost $3,000,000,000 in broadcast funding.

And have just $85,000,000 in the bank.
 

El Diablo

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so what favours did the muppet do for the Queensland clubs to flip?

Turdles looks to be on borrowed time which is good news too
 

CC_Roosters

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The clubs will still cry poor, as they will inevitably just increase football spending beyond their means again.

Hard to see where the money is going to come from for all of these second tier sides they want to put on the map around Australasia. they could have added a 9th game to the Nrl with 2 new teams which would have paid for itself via increased tv money and help rationalise the pathways by tipping the balance away from NSW. if those figures are correct, there will be no expansion for a decade
 

Von Hipper

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Absolutely embarrassing if thats true, which I do not fully believe it yet that its come about in this way.

Hopefully as what a poster said above, certain costs are included in that. Want to know the fine print. These clubs will have to be paying for some of this, the money isn't elsewhere. So they should - they reckon 'they're the game'
 

Stormwarrior82

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...n/news-story/cc7986626124f8dcd580c9f0bd3368e9

Teams
John Grant to stay ARL Commission chairman but millions of questions remain
cc7986626124f8dcd580c9f0bd3368e9

Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
an hour ago

cc7986626124f8dcd580c9f0bd3368e9

ONLY rugby league’s ability to not get the job done could have saved ARL Commission chairman John Grant from being sacked ... for not getting the job done.

Let’s go back four seasons when the Commission, still fresh and filled with good intent, announced its whole-of-game strategy.

Six pillars would drive the game and included in that was a centralisation of rugby league. By bringing the NSW and Queensland Rugby Leagues under the stewardship of the NRL it would save the game $8 million a year and everybody was glad.

It not only did not happen, both organisations have got bigger and are expanding.

The NSWRL announced in June it would build a $20m centre of excellence, even though clubs are considered responsible for elite development. The QRL has eight full-time social media staff in a terrific show of how to waste money.

They grow and spend, even though the game was broke three weeks ago.

Not anymore, apparently.

Immediately after the now infamous walkout meeting last month, all 16 clubs and the NSWRL and QRL met and agreed Grant’s position was untenable. Grant told them Todd Greenberg’s advice was the game could not afford to fund them the $13 million, a figure where the NRL chief executive “staked his career” on being right but which as since been overturned.

Within days, though, Newcastle and Gold Coast had voted to support Grant and so, too, had the QRL.

The Knights and Titans did so because they are owned and funded by the NRL. Nobody knows why Queensland did.

Yet they became crucial in saving Grant.

Watching Grant lose the public war, I called him last week for an interview. It would not be a “why won’t you step down” interview but “tell us why you are doing a good job”, given he was losing the PR war with the clubs.

Still, there were hard answers demanded.

Grant agreed but asked for it to be put off until Monday. Come Monday, he needed 48 hours.

He was lobbying the clubs, knowing he needed two to flip to save his job.

The clubs made three demands: they wanted the 130 per cent grant back on the table, they wanted two representatives on the Commission and they wanted Grant gone.

Their real target was Greenberg but constitutionally they could chase only the chairman.

So Grant worked the QRL and, through them, got Brisbane and North Queensland to flip.

It will be announced on Tuesday the clubs have voted “unanimously” — given the war is lost — that the vote to oust Grant is over, that the clubs will get their $13m a year funding and two seats will be made available on the Commission. Grant will leave in 12 months, down on the five years he initially preferred but better than being sacked on Tuesday.

As one club boss said: “If this was on the table three weeks ago it would have been a terrific deal, but why did we have to go through three weeks of this to get it?”

Figures leaked to The Telegraph show the NRL has an annual $470m in broadcast revenue from 2018-2022.

Of that, $70m will go in sales costs. Another $220m a year will go to the 16 clubs ($13m each a year) and NSWRL and QRL ($6m each). Running the NRL competition and paying the 200-plus staff will cost $73m a year. Another $100m will be spent on grassroots, a 330 per cent increase on the $30m spent this year.

It leaves the NRL $7m to bank for future funding.

The NRL is still far from doing a satisfactory job. The Commission is gutless and invisible. They posted Grant, leaving him alone to face the wrath of the clubs, with not one coming to support him. They don’t seem to have the capacity to make the administration function properly, efficiently or make it achieve their own stated lofty goals.

In 2012 the NRL promised average crowds of 20,000 by 2017: Fail.

It promised year on year television ratings rise: Fail.

It promised 400,000 memberships: Fail.

It promised $200m in the bank for “key projects”: Fail.

Grant no longer needs an interview to state his case because he has lobbied the clubs and saved his job and fair enough, but the questions remain:

How can the NRL claim to be strapped for cash three weeks ago but now have money to fund the clubs at the upper end of what the wanted?

Where did it come from?

How much money does the NRL have in the bank? (Answer: $50m)

The $200m surplus for a future fund by 2017. Where did the money go?

When the NRL announced its television deal in 2012, you said: “The cash is useful in providing funding to grow our game from the grassroots to the elite level.” Yet last month you explained the funding withdrawal to clubs because: “We also understand the grassroots needs to be fed because this game is going backwards, slowly but determinately, in terms of grassroots participation.”

How did you get it so wrong?

What responsibility does the Commission take for this?

An extra $70m is about to be spent in to grassroots annually. Yet in August the man in charge of grassroots, Andrew Hill, the general manager of league integration and game development, quit and has not been replaced. How can a department with no boss make a decision on how the money should be spent?

How does the NRL justify a 330 per cent increase? How will this money be spent effectively?

You have told the clubs it will cost the NRL $80m for digital, another reason the game could not afford to fund the clubs what was promised. How did the NRL come up with that figure?

The NRL has traditionally been a content provider, why does it feel the need to produce content at a significant cost?

The clubs are unhappy with Todd Greenberg’s performance, your third CEO in the five years of the Commission, how do you and your Commission you rate his performance?

They are legitimate questions, all requiring consideration from the NRL and an explanation.

Not for the clubs, but for the fans, who entrusted their game to these people and yet suffer through black headlines and discover that, five years into new management, so many of the promises made have not added up to a hill of beans.

According to the NRL’s figures, by the end of 2022 the Commission after having been in place 11 years, would have received almost $3,000,000,000 in broadcast funding.

And have just $85,000,000 in the bank.

Hmmm.... so Grant apparently got 2 clubs to flip which removes any power the clubs had but yet the Nrl/Commission still agreed with the clubs demands?? club leaks info to Kent and he runs will the, Nrl bad /clubs good narrative.

My take is the clubs got outsmarted by Grant/commission/Nrl. They don't have the numbers and are trying to get what they can now. And by getting in early with the media and leaking info it paints the picture that the clubs have got one over them. Clubs media department in full swing. Interesting Kent brought up "winning the PR war". Someone tell the Nrl that they are in a PR battle.

The old primitive Arl ways are showing through. Fend for yourself and stuff everyone else. How many companies have to fight there own departments in the media??
 
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Basically the ARLC is completely f**ked and has been from day one. We've got individuals selling the game down the river to keep their place on the gravy train, money being wasted hand over fist and the game isn't growing or even has a plan on how to do so.

This is unashamedly a "told you so" post.
 

BuffaloRules

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Well, no doubt the Grant apologists will ignore the criticisms in Kent's article about the failings of the Commission since its inception and continue to blame the evil clubs...

At least their boy appears to have bought himself a 12 month "victory lap" so he can squeeze all those perks and get his head on TV for a bit longer .

Don't worry though that it's a further year the game stagnates with no leadership or plans for the future...
 

Von Hipper

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I take the view that Kents article was off even if it paints a 'somewhat' picture of things. Kent thinks about critisisms in the 'now' without fully exploring them. Its an article after all. Not saying its totally wrong just not totally right.

We should allow ourselves some revisionism given how vastly different the game and admin are now.

There are always critisisms but there are a bunch of long standing issues that conflict with what the clubs want.

Kent is absolutely right about some things and those targets were ambitious. I think even if they got clubs onto the commission nothing would change so much on the other issues.

On the one hand I think a couple of spots on the commission going forward would be a great thing, on the other its all of whats behind those positions and the compromised nature of the NSWRL that could make or break such a thing in the short term. They want a national competition but it would seem it will still be slated toward NSW. Ok, so most of the clubs are there, Im just wary of having too much influence given the joint nature with the NSWRL.

^ I think this is why the cowboys and broncos have broken off tbh. So they should, it just sounds like slightly the wrong direction. < Look, thats the commission/constitution working! Its not all as bad as its being made out.

I wish there was some mechanism for club input moreso than there was now. I dont see how the problems will be resolved since they wanted to go after the NRL CEO, by going for the commission spots.

In my mind I think they need to get the NRL tied more into the clubs with some kind of official club body that works to formulate policy officially.

I think thats what they need along with one spot on the commission. I could be wrong, but its just where I see it right now. I am not convinced 2 commission spots will give them the desired outcome, depending on how its all voted for, ect.

I think any change should resemble the fact they are doing this as a 'forever' thing, and whether the weight goes to the future or the compromised present, I dont think much thought has been given to what lays beyond.

At some point the smaller states will have more of a want/say as well.

It just sounds like an excuse for a free-for-all.
 

Last Week

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Ignoring the opinions on whether or not the Commission has done a good job or not, this proposed constitutional change, where clubs get 2 seats on the commission, is what this is all about.

Does anyone think that this is a wise idea for the long term of the commission? What is wrong with our current structure other than incompetence?

Given the self interest of the clubs, should more power be given to them? Is that wise?
 

Perth Red

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Not sur where he gets his figures from?
1. The club grant, if a % of the cap, can't be decided yet as the salary cap,hasn't been decided so the $13mill is a guess
2. Even if it is $13mill, 13x16 clubs is $208mill not $220mill
3. Surely the $12mill to nswrl and qrl should sit in the $100mill grass roots funding?
4. Not sure where he is getting annual revenue of $470mill from unless the NRL non media revenue is going backwards over the next 6 years?

If, and its a very big if, his figures are correct and and the NRL is only going to be left with $7mill discretionary funding each year that is terrible outcome for the game.
 

Perth Red

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Ignoring the opinions on whether or not the Commission has done a good job or not, this proposed constitutional change, where clubs get 2 seats on the commission, is what this is all about.

Does anyone think that this is a wise idea for the long term of the commission? What is wrong with our current structure other than incompetence?

Given the self interest of the clubs, should more power be given to them? Is that wise?

They are a major stakeholder and it is clear there is a disconnect between the commision and the clubs. It is one of the big problems of having everything RL being run by one body, there are a lot of competing, and sometimes conflicting, interests. I'm not sure having the clubs on the commision is a good idea, nor having nswrl and qrl on the commision tbh. Ideally you would have an independent commision with very good relationships, communications and involvement with the different stakeholders. But those stakeholders also have to accept they are the not the be all and end all and at times have to compromise for the good of the game.
 

Perth Red

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I would be interested to know why, after so aggresively disbanding the affiliated states boards and structures, they have not brought the qrl and nswrl under the NRL in the same way?
 

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