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NRL rebellion: Rugby league clubs want CEO Dave Smith gone or threaten to leave comp

CC_Roosters

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I think the juniors qualificantion should align eith SOO rules - eg U13s

Probably just result in the Sydney clubs going out and bringing in kids from the bush, inter state and NZ at an even earlier age therefore denying them the chance to play in their districts

^^^^And more BS scare tactics involving the AFL from the DT
 
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alien

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I said this 2 weeks ago when the news first broke.

It is an obvious step towards turning real clubs into nothing more than first grade franchises, so they can be chopped and changed at the NRL's whim.

They better not merge Souths and Easts together! I'm not going through that bullshit again! :lol:
 

CC_Roosters

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I said this 2 weeks ago when the news first broke.

It is an obvious step towards turning real clubs into nothing more than first grade franchises, so they can be chopped and changed at the NRL's whim.

Haven't the ARLC just signed an agreement with the clubs giving them licences for eternity
 

alien

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Haven't the ARLC just signed an agreement with the clubs giving them licences for eternity

But what if with those extra funds from the NRL, some Sydney clubs still struggle financially? They may not get any more loans from the NRL next time, so some may not survive, or might have to merge with each other.
 

CC_Roosters

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But what if with those extra funds from the NRL, some Sydney clubs still struggle financially? They may not get any more loans from the NRL next time, so some may not survive, or might have to merge with each other.

True and honestly I can see it happening, they will strive to spend every cent on the football department and get themselves into trouble even with the cap covered and then some.

I think the biggest danger is to wests then the titans. Newcastle and the dragons cover two important regional areas that I think will be fine going forward after the NRL intervention at board level as they are strong areas. Gold coast is a weak market so the titans may find themselves in perpetual trouble unless they become competitive. While the wests tigers are a basketcase on and off the field so nothing would surprise me there especially with the Balmain side coming to its end game in the new year

Has anyone got the article that news are claiming is the leaked pathways document?
 

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“Imagine GWS or the Sydney Swans when they see this proposal go forward. They’ll jump in and offer our best young talent a direct route to the AFL.

Wow, using the AFL as a threat. Haven't seen that one used for a while.
 

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True and honestly I can see it happening, they will strive to spend every cent on the football department and get themselves into trouble even with the cap covered and then some.

I think the biggest danger is to wests then the titans. Newcastle and the dragons cover two important regional areas that I think will be fine going forward after the NRL intervention at board level as they are strong areas. Gold coast is a weak market so the titans may find themselves in perpetual trouble unless they become competitive. While the wests tigers are a basketcase on and off the field so nothing would surprise me there especially with the Balmain side coming to its end game in the new year

Has anyone got the article that news are claiming is the leaked pathways document?

If St George Illawarra folded, Cronulla would probably take over the Illawarra/South Coast regions. "Cronulla-Illawarra Sharks" or "Southern Sharks".

I think it would be a mistake not to have a club in south west Sydney, especially with the population increasing so much in the Liverpool-Macarthur area. There should be a full time team there (playing out of Campbelltown or a new Liverpool stadium), otherwise it will be taken over by soccer and maybe Australian football. It doesn't have to be Wests Tigers though! ;-)
 

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http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/amalgamation-of-rival-clubs-juniors-into-zones-puts-league-communities-at-risk/story-fnj90t7b-1227643746306

So I believe this is the offending article in the news ltd press today.

My thoughts on the content are mixed. I like the intention to treat the state cups as a unified national second division with two conferences and I love the specific detail on it incorporating areas in NSW which are strong league regions but have no elite representation.

I don't like in part how Sydney has been carved up as while it may be logical geographically it alienates far too many people with existing loyalties to be feasible. I think there is room to keep a number of Sydney second tier clubs as they are now and tie up the rest with regional sides. There is really no need for the likes of manly and Canterbury to have second division side based locally as they don't produce enough district players to justify a second elite team. But keeping Newtown and Norths is a nod to the games heritage which is the other important factor at play. What it could/should look like-

Auckland
Christchurch/Wellington
Fiji
Hunter
Central coast (Roosters)
Illawarra (dragons)
Bidgee- based in Wagga (Raiders)
New England- based in Tamworth or Coffs (Manly)
Western NSW- based in Bathurst (Bulldogs)
Liverpool-Macarthur- (Tigers)
North Sydney (Souths)
Newtown (Sharks)
West Sydney- based at blacktown (Penrith)
Cumberland- based at ???? (eels)

No NRL branding!

Adding teams to the north, south and west of NSW should be sufficient coverage at this level, any more would be overkill and probably not sustainable.

Will be interesting to see if this leak accelerates the public release of richo's work.



“This is the start of the NRL trying dilute that power. The more new teams that come in, the more Sydney clubs could get out-voted. This is all about taking the power away from Sydney clubs.”

And right there is the reason that expansion has been put to bed for now, straight from the horses (or should I say dinosaurs mouth).
 
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siv

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NRLAmalgamation of rival clubs’ juniors into zones puts league communities at risk

December 13, 2015

DEAN RITCHIE
The Daily Telegraph

NSWRL boss David Trodden has warned the NRL it risks tearing apart the fabric that holds rugby league together under its proposal to amalgamate rival clubs’ juniors into zones.

The NRL has been accused by club bosses of attempting to implement forced mergers that would dilute the power of Sydney clubs with plans for a revamped second-tier competition to be known as the Platinum League.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal Sydney clubs will “kick and scream” to scrap a proposal for rival clubs to amalgamate their juniors into zones by 2018.

Under a leaked NRL pathways document that was presented to clubs by NRL head of strategy Shane Richardson earlier this month, a Platinum League would replace the existing NSW Cup competition and include just six teams from Sydney — three of them amalgamated.

Richardson refused to comment on Sunday but a clearly frustrated Trodden blasted the NRL’s lack of consultation, saying the proposal put well-established rugby league communities at risk.

“The fundamental basis of every rugby league club is the community is represents,” Trodden said.

Radical NRL proposal leaked

“With the proposal, inevitably there will be some state league clubs that fall by the wayside.”

The competition would be broken into regions with teams being based in New England/North Coast, Hunter, Central and Far West, Canberra/South West, Illawarra/South Coast, Central Sydney, Canterbury/St George/Sutherland, Northern Beaches/Central Coast, Liverpool/Macarthur, Parramatta, Penrith, Auckland, Christchurch/Wellington and Affiliate State/Pacific Nation.

It would mean some existing NSW Cup clubs would die.

“What that risks is rugby league communities being completely disenfranchised and we don’t see anything in the proposal that addresses this serious concern,” Trodden said.

“We should have learned the lessons of Super League about what happens when rugby league communities get disenfranchised. It would be a terrible thing. By trying to reconfigure the game, we ultimately cause communities that have been involved in the game for over 100 years to no longer be part of it.

“And the NSWRL is disappointed by the limited engagement we have had in relation to the proposal.”

The proposed competition is designed to cut costs but coaches are already privately adamant they simply wouldn’t drop players back into a merged side.

Phil Gould opposes the amalgamation proposal.

Club officials claim the muscle of some powerful Sydney clubs would be eroded and that would lead to a rationalisation of suburban teams.

“Sydney clubs like the Roosters with Nick Politis (chairman) and Bulldogs with Ray Dib (chairman) have a lot of power and the NRL don’t like it,” one club CEO said.

“This is the start of the NRL trying dilute that power. The more new teams that come in, the more Sydney clubs could get out-voted. This is all about taking the power away from Sydney clubs.”

Part of the report into the Platinum League states: “From 2018, revamp the State Leagues into a Platinum League to raise the profile and standard. The Platinum League structure (will) be informed by demographic analysis that reflects the spread of the game’s participants and fans. The exact location of teams to be assessed and agreed by a committee structure representative of the State Leagues and NRL."

Under the proposal, the Platinum League would have two conferences — northern and southern, with a playoff to be held on grand final day.

A maximum of 14 teams would be included in each conference.

“It is recommended that teams are placed in strategically important areas to broaden the game’s footprint and ensure that all participants have access to the elite pathway,” the report states.

“It is proposed that the match of the round from both conferences will be broadcast live on Nine each week — Southern Conference in NSW (including regional), and Northern Conference into Queensland (including regional). We aim to broadcast two further matches each week on subscription TV. We will look for commercial opportunities for non-broadcast matches.”

But the proposal hasn’t gone over well in NRL club land.

“It’s nonsense,” one NRL club chairman said.

“We will kick and scream. No consultation again with the clubs. Why don’t these people get everyone in a room and kick it all around. Some clubs have 100 years of history. Forced marriages just don’t work.”

Another recommendation was to restructure the National Youth Competition and have under 20s competitions in NSW and Queensland.

Panthers general manager of football Phil Gould took to Twitter over the weekend to vent his dismay.

“Biggest criticism of Richardson proposal is lack of consultation with club people who actually know this stuff,” Gould posted.

“Changing boundaries, abolishing NYC, pool teams together in new regions for a NSW state league among other things. Unless we have national reserve grade competition, current system should remain. Can’t replicate QLD system in NSW.”

Asked was Richardson “serious”, Gould replied: “I am sure he is. Sydney clubs are united in saying that the proposal makes no sense on many levels.”

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/spor...munities-at-risk/story-fni3fbgz-1227643746306
 

alien

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so it looks like these will be the teams in the southern conference:

New England/North Coast
Hunter
Central and Far West
Canberra/South West
Illawarra/South Coast
Central Sydney
Canterbury/St George/Sutherland
Northern Beaches/Central Coast
Liverpool/Macarthur
Parramatta
Penrith
Auckland
Christchurch/Wellington
Affiliate State/Pacific Nation.
 
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alien

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so to me it looks like souths and roosters are going to share the same reserve grade team (central sydney). this is bloody stupid!
 

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love how it starts off with concern for 'league communities' then quotes paranoid dinosaurs complaining it's about eroding their influence :lol

The NRL obviously want a draft, which means decoupling development from NRL clubs and making them franchises, good in theory, but too messy to ever become a reality in NSW. I don't think it's worth it, better off just tinkering with the NSW cup as best they can to make it a state wide competition.

I also think if a player is old enough to vote they're old enough to sign a contract, 19th birthday seems like a strange cut-off imo.
 
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The Great Dane

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Though I haven't read the proposal it seems to me from what I know that all the hysterics is unnecessary BS coming from old dinosaurs scared of losing their power and News click baiting.

From what I can ascertain the NRL is attempting to take control of junior development away from the clubs and then reorganise it into a more productive system with universal pathways into the NRL, culminating in a draft.

Hence why they want to remove NRL club ties at NSWcup level (and below) because having a team called the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs that isn't affiliated with the Bulldogs (NRL) would give the false perception that they are Bulldogs juniors when they aren't promised to any NRL club.

Juniors not being allowed to sign with an NRL club before the age of 19 makes sense also because that is presumably the age at which they enter the draft and before that age they will be on contracts with the NRL/new development clubs

And this talk of mergers is horse sh!t also, the NRL wouldn't be merging Easts and Souths juniors because Easts and Souths juniors would no longer exist in their current state(i.e. Roosters wouldn't be merging with Rabbits because they would no longer be getting funding from the Roosters and Rabbits, or be affiliated with them), what they would be attempting to do is rezone junior competitions into more sustainable groupings.

So basically the NRL take control of everything from under 6s all the way up to the NSWcup, the NRL clubs no longer have to worry about funding local juniors and running local competitions, which frees up time and money being spent on those pursuits to be spent on their NRL club businesses making them more focused and sustainable businesses.

It's a sensible move for the NRL, if they can pull it off, which I reckon they can if they stand their ground and just move ahead.
 

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Though I haven't read the proposal it seems to me from what I know that all the hysterics is unnecessary BS coming from old dinosaurs scared of losing their power and News click baiting.

From what I can ascertain the NRL is attempting to take control of junior development away from the clubs and then reorganise it into a more productive system with universal pathways into the NRL, culminating in a draft.

Hence why they want to remove NRL club ties at NSWcup level (and below) because having a team called the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs that isn't affiliated with the Bulldogs (NRL) would give the false perception that they are Bulldogs juniors when they aren't promised to any NRL club.

Juniors not being allowed to sign with an NRL club before the age of 19 makes sense also because that is presumably the age at which they enter the draft and before that age they will be on contracts with the NRL/new development clubs

And this talk of mergers is horse sh!t also, the NRL wouldn't be merging Easts and Souths juniors because Easts and Souths juniors would no longer exist in their current state(i.e. Roosters wouldn't be merging with Rabbits because they would no longer be getting funding from the Roosters and Rabbits, or be affiliated with them), what they would be attempting to do is rezone junior competitions into more sustainable groupings.

So basically the NRL take control of everything from under 6s all the way up to the NSWcup, the NRL clubs no longer have to worry about funding local juniors and running local competitions, which frees up time and money being spent on those pursuits to be spent on their NRL club businesses making them more focused and sustainable businesses.

It's a sensible move for the NRL, if they can pull it off, which I reckon they can if they stand their ground and just move ahead.

Thanks for that insight.

We will see how things pan out.
 

siv

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In NSW NRL clubs are NSW junior districts

Has been that way for 110 years

While there is a need for adjustment the only need is to establish a state wide structure

But to dismantle 110 years is just plain dumb
 

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In NSW NRL clubs are NSW junior districts

Has been that way for 110 years

While there is a need for adjustment the only need is to establish a state wide structure

But to dismantle 110 years is just plain dumb

I said the same thing in the 60's when television coverage started. Fair dinkum undermining football on the radio really pissed me off. What was wrong with it!?
 

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