NSW Clubs forced out of QLD Cup

[cleary89]

This is the same as the Melbourne argument.

"The NRL is weakening themselves by making storm not play for points this season"

"NSWRL is weakening themselves by not letting Canberra and Manly juniors play".

All 3 clubs knew what the results would be of their actions yet chose to do it anyway. People in here saying the NSWRL are idiots are as bad as the storm supporters who said the same about the NRL.

 

[greeneyed]

There have been some pretty silly arguments in this thread but comparing this situation to the Storm salary cap penalty is surely the silliest.

 

[Quidgybo]

A national reserve grade comp isn't necessary and will only place further strains upon clubs already limited expenditure.

There is a distinct difference between asking for a national reserve grade and asking for a national second tier comp.

A reserve grade involves NRL clubs funding the full cost of a third playing squad and staff in addition to their premiership and Toyota Cup teams. A national second tier involves independent second tier clubs providing spots in their teams for excess NRL players in exchange for a more limited financial contribution from their Premiership affiliate - the exact same arrangement used today for farming out players to the Qld and NSW Cups. Beyond the affiliate arrangement, the second tier clubs deal directly with the Independent Commission for an annual grant the same as the first tier clubs do.

By funding the second tier directly, the IC gets to decide exactly where the second tier franchises would be best located for the good of the game as opposed to the political self interests of either of the state bodies or the convenience of any one block of NRL clubs. And if that means a different balance of NSW and Qld teams in the second tier than exist in the NRL then so be it. Just because we have a skew of nine Sydney teams in the NRL doesn't mean we should replicate that same skew in the second tier comp. Other areas have needs too (like the Sunshine Coast and Country NSW).

Leigh

 

[Pete Cash]

This is the same as the Melbourne argument.

"The NRL is weakening themselves by making storm not play for points this season"

"NSWRL is weakening themselves by not letting Canberra and Manly juniors play".

All 3 clubs knew what the results would be of their actions yet chose to do it anyway. People in here saying the NSWRL are idiots are as bad as the storm supporters who said the same about the NRL.

lol but the Raiders can play juniors.....they just have to put them through the Queensland system.

 

[Spitty]

A reserve grade involves NRL clubs funding the full cost of a third playing squad and staff in addition to their premiership and Toyota Cup teams. A national second tier involves independent second tier clubs providing spots in their teams for excess NRL players in exchange for a more limited financial contribution from their Premiership affiliate - the exact same arrangement used today for farming out players to the Qld and NSW Cups. Beyond the affiliate arrangement, the second tier clubs deal directly with the Independent Commission for an annual grant the same as the first tier clubs do.

By funding the second tier directly, the IC gets to decide exactly where the second tier franchises would be best located for the good of the game as opposed to the political self interests of either of the state bodies or the convenience of any one block of NRL clubs. And if that means a different balance of NSW and Qld teams in the second tier than exist in the NRL then so be it. Just because we have a skew of nine Sydney teams in the NRL doesn't mean we should replicate that same skew in the second tier comp. Other areas have needs too (like the Sunshine Coast and Country NSW).

Sorry, but I don't think that is finincially viable.

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

Gotta love fans like Timmah constantly calling other supporters bitter then coming into this thread and exhibiting the exact same trait

Time to get rid of these wanker, NSW centric clowns from our game. Talk about cutting off the nose to spite the face

This is the same as the Melbourne argument.

"The NRL is weakening themselves by making storm not play for points this season"

"NSWRL is weakening themselves by not letting Canberra and Manly juniors play".

All 3 clubs knew what the results would be of their actions yet chose to do it anyway. People in here saying the NSWRL are idiots are as bad as the storm supporters who said the same about the NRL.

:lol: Is that your logic is it?

 

[Timmah]

Gotta love fans like Timmah constantly calling other supporters bitter then coming into this thread and exhibiting the exact same trait

Time to get rid of these wanker, NSW centric clowns from our game. Talk about cutting off the nose to spite the face

Bitter? There's no premiership discussion in here, we're talking about how the game should be run, somewhere where everyone can and will have an opinion.

The fact Canberra has been allowed to weaken the NSWRL for so long is a disgrace. Hopefully this will force them to do something about it.

 

[VictorTheViking]

Bitter? There's no premiership discussion in here, we're talking about how the game should be run, somewhere where everyone can and will have an opinion.

The fact Canberra has been allowed to weaken the NSWRL for so long is a disgrace. Hopefully this will force them to do something about it.

Lmao....you cannot be serious........

The boneheads running the NSWRL are the ones weakening it you muppet.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

The fact Canberra has been allowed to weaken the NSWRL for so long is a disgrace. Hopefully this will force them to do something about it.

Excuse me?

So Canberra's commitment to developing juniors locally and from the Riverina is weakening the NSWRL?

What a bullsh*t comment. Not that I expect anything else from you.

We're talking about one grade here. That has a few fringe first graders in it.......some of who are Queenslanders anyway.

NSWRL are the loser here. Not us.

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

The fact Canberra has been allowed to weaken the NSWRL for so long is a disgrace. Hopefully this will force them to do something about it.

:lol:

It's embarrassing to think that it's most likely minds like this that run our game

 

[Quidgybo]

Sorry, but I don't think that is finincially viable.

A single second tier competition with the advantages of a national sponsorship and media market and run by the same body that runs the national first tier is more financially viable in the long term than continuing with *two* second tier competitions run by separate state bodies along with all the duplication and waste of resources that involves.

Leigh.

 

[Roland]

The issue with the dual registration is also something the QRL want.

How can poor broke Cronulla afford a team but Canberra (with multiple leagues clubs) and Manly not?

I take both clubs can afford SGBall and Matthews teams.

The NSWRL paid the non NRL contracted players and coaching staff at Cronulla this year because Cronulla indicated that it could not fund a second tier team and NSWRL wanted a 12th team.

 

[franklin2323]

What happened to Mounties as Manly's feeder team? Did Parra veto it like the Sharks last year??

As for a National reserve grade comp. I fail to understand if ran correctly how it can lose money. NYC have a comp sponsor, Different Jersey sponsorships etc. Surely something can be done similar for a reserve grade

 

[Quidgybo]

As for a National reserve grade comp. I fail to understand if ran correctly how it can lose money. NYC have a comp sponsor, Different Jersey sponsorships etc. Surely something can be done similar for a reserve grade

Sure a reserve grade could be made to work. But it's more than the NRL clubs need (a place to play 5 or 6 excess players) and it does nothing to help the game outside of the NRL. A national second tier meets the needs of the NRL clubs while providing a place for traditional teams that can no longer sustain a presence at the top level (eg. Newtown, Souths Logan etc), a place for teams that aspire to enter the NRL in the short to medium term (eg. WA Reds, Central Coast), and a place for developing markets not yet big enough to support their own NRL side (eg. Mackay, Albury-Wodonga)

Leigh.

 

[typicalfan]

Bitter? There's no premiership discussion in here, we're talking about how the game should be run, somewhere where everyone can and will have an opinion.

The fact Canberra has been allowed to weaken the NSWRL for so long is a disgrace. Hopefully this will force them to do something about it.

I think you need a reality check, the Raiders have been supporting the same areas that the Bulldogs have been gaining talent from for over 70 years.

 

[madunit]

The simplest and best sollution to all of this is a national reserve grade comp. The comp that should have been formed instead of the NYC. Each NRL club must enter and it establishes a clear pathway to the NRL. Than the NSW & Queensland Cups can be used for farming out talent on their way out, NYC kids not up to scratch for reserve grade and later bloomers

The very same system we once had up until the mid 90's. Each club had a reserve grade and presidents cup team.

You got all 3 games on the same day

Toyota Cup
Reserve Grade (NSW/QLD Cups)
NRL

A perfectly run system which to this day, has never been bettered, only worsened.

 

[Big-Steve]

Completely agree with what Spitty posted above.
The QLD Cup is a great product and should continue in its current format whilst we endeavour to develop and promote the NSW Cup. A national reserve grade comp isn't necessary and will only place further strains upon clubs already limited expenditure.
The NSWRL should be aiming to utilise developing and traditionally strong junior nurseries such as Wentworthville and Windsor whilst also promoting the role of the foundation clubs such as Newtown, Norths, Balmain and Wests. A lot of criticism is directed at the NSW Cup as players feel they are relegated to a lesser competition. To minimise this impact we need to promote the NSW Cup to such a status that it is seen on a level playing field to the NYC. This could be achieved via increased media coverage, with an aim to a television deal with the ABC for a live Saturday broadcast, in line with other states coverage eg. Qld Cup, VFL.
The current situation regarding Manly and Canberra is unfortunate though fair, and I say this as a Raiders fan. Manly and Canberra should both be providing a clearer pathway for their own juniors beyond junior representative football by forming feeder arrangements with local teams rather than shipping off there best talent to Qld.
Does anybody know what happened to Canberra's interest in alligning with Gouldburn, and Manlys interest in establishing a feeder arrangement with Mounties/Harbord Diggers?

This is the most sensible post I have seen in many a post on this forum.

Unfortunately under the current structure (and I fear the new IC) this is never going to happen essentially because the sway that NRL clubs have now means that nobody will make this a priority.

I have said it before and I will keep on saying it the NRL dominated post SL structure has and still is damaging grass roots and lower grade footy because clubs like Canberra demand their interests over ride all other levels of footy.

The IC will further separate the state bodies from decision making so where does that leave a non NRL club?

It gives them less direct say.

If Canberra's priority was player development it would have already re-allocated funds to a NSW Cup team, but it has not because their priority is maintaining 1st grade player payments.

Whatever happened to living within your means?

Clubs like Wests had to do it before SL came along. Clubs like Newtown and North Sydney have been able to run a NSW Cup side for years now with no grant or financial support from any state body.

Time for the NRL clubs to face the reality that the rest of footy has had to live with for 20 years now.

The real irony is that if the IC is truly independent and will "look after grass roots footy" like Searle keeps telling us, what makes Canberra think they will get a different answer as that which the NSWRL has given.

 

[Big-Steve]

The very same system we once had up until the mid 90's. Each club had a reserve grade and presidents cup team.

You got all 3 games on the same day

Toyota Cup
Reserve Grade (NSW/QLD Cups)
NRL

A perfectly run system which to this day, has never been bettered, only worsened.

We had a super league war since then that altered the the 1st grade teams. So that we now have teams in the NSW cup that have junior districts but no NRL team and some that have no district and are alined to an NRL club etc etc

Suffice it to say 1st grade no longer matches lower grade thanks to SL.

Altering lower grade to match 1st grade now would mean the end of Western Suburbs, North Sydney, Newtown, Balmain etc

 

[Pete Cash]

ahahah yeah a club like the Raiders which lives and dies by player development doesn't care about player development. What in opposite land.

 

[(KW)]

the absolute ignorance in this thread is purely astounding. thank god for Quidgy and the informed raiders fans who have half a clue. epic face palm to all those applauding the nswrl's decision.