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NSW State Of Origin Team Game 1 2009

adamkungl

Immortal
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LOL @ your Rorters bias

FMD Fitzgibbon over the likes of Creagh, Laffranchi, Heighnington and Gallen.

Mark Minichello? LOLOLOLOL
Anasta over Campese, Mullen.

Are you even rugby league fan?

Thats easily the worst NSW side i've ever seen named

Also, I did pick Creagh, I didn't realise in my original reply. Your side has O'Meley...he's not "an old man who doesn't deserve to be picked"? Fitzgibbon's form is miles ahead of O'Meley's...

Other than Anasta and some minor differences (similar type players though) in the backs and forwards your side isn't all that different, your basically just a wanker.
 

Johns Magic

Referee
Messages
21,654
Cooper is the only player in the backline whos spot is certain.

Why, are you the coach?

Stewart is a fullback or nothing.

Why? He has all the attributes a good winger needs.

Merritt is just nothing.

Think you'll find he's NSW's top tryscorer so far this year. As he often is.

Douglas wont start

We're picking our teams, not what we think will be picked.

Bailey is past it

You clearly don't watch rugby league.

No point having wing and sutton on the bench, one or the other or neither but not both.

One's a backrower, the other's a hooker. Hindmarsh, Gallen and Mateo are all 80 minute players, you don't need two backrowers on the bench. Farah should get a spell though.

You're a bigger clown then the last bloke.

No, you're a biased f**kwit who knows sh*t-all about rugby league.
 

Prodigiousman

Juniors
Messages
933
NSW have a heap of choices in the backrow and no standout at halfback.

It is a worry.


First draft of a side = mix of what I'd pick and what could be picked... but mainly what I'd pick for the SERIES not just Game I.
NSW%20SOO%20Jersy%202009.jpg

NSW
1. K Gidley
2. J Morris
3. M Cooper
4. M Jennings
5. C Best
6. T Campese
7. J Soward
8. L Bailey
9. R Farah (c)
10. B Kite
11. N Hindmarsh
12. L O'Donnell
13. J Sutton
Bench:
14. F Mateo
15. A Laffranchi
16. C Wing
17. P Gallen


Here's the theory behind the team I’ve picked.

In the Backs - Gidley is in as Stewart hasn't played and Gidley deserves a shot at Game One at least to see if his numbers in club footy matter at Origin level – plus he’s a goer so that’s a bonus in my books, with no wingers really to pick from, convert two 2009 centres back to the wing with Josh Morris and Colin Best both strike players with the ball and goodish defensively (but seriously wing defence is vastly over-rated if the player is a gun in attack), Jennings and Cooper offer a great mix of attack and defence and the Monaghan/Cooper mix just doesn't scare anyone for mine - Jennings is a x-factor type so he has to get a long look at the selection table.

The Halves is where NSW really think about what their playmaking setup will be. Soward's kicking game is a must if NSW take two ballplayers at 6 and 13 – which I think they MUST DO. I don't think Pearce or Wallace have a strong enough playmaking game (as in don’t rely on the kick for all your points) to see NSW pick just one ball player at 6 and a regular forward at 13 and both of their kicking games are vastly over-rated for mine – esp field position wise.
So think about what fills a real need and pick Soward for the field position he offers and the nippy speed he has to create opportunities from second phase play - sure he isn't a classic ball player but that's why you have Campese in the #6 and Sutton (or Mateo) in the #13. Both are ‘to the line’ players who will give the ball to their centres and be able to have their running backrowers work off their shoulders on BOTH sides of the field. Plus both Campese and Sutton have size so they aren't liabilities in defence - esp if you pick Soward who is dodgy in that department.


In the Forwards - Robbie Farah has to be skipper and the 80 minute hooker. Even if Craig Wing gets a run on the bench (he has so much more value than Luke Lewis who won't have a role off the bench and be just injury cover which is a wasted spot) then Farah has to still be on the field the whole time. Look at last year every time Buderus was replaced NSW lost a step and Buderus is no Farah when it comes to playmaking. And as skipper Farah for mine displays the necessary ‘losing hurts’ feeling after a game and that is the kind of player you get to lead you – one that hates losing – because they don’t tolerate ineptitude.

My theory in the forwards is rather than taking a step back in quality in the 17 by picking 3-4 props we should take 2 genuine props - Kite and Bailey who are capable of 55+mins and then fill the rest of the pack with various backrowers. I’m not wild about Kite personally but he’ll get picked and I think he can do a job without looking too much like Michael Vella at Origin level.


Laffranchi and Hindmarsh can both play a prop role if required but Hindmarsh has to play 80mins as our answer to their Dallas Johnson/David Stagg - if we don't have a guy like Hindmarsh it won't matter how many flashy running second rowers we have - we'll get beat.

Paul Gallen can play a prop like role in the go-forward department and for mine this is his role in Origin - an impact runner up the guts. He loves padding his stats anyway so why not make him into a front rower off the bench and I think we'll get the best value from him that way. And his ability to off-load up the middle might make the likes of Soward and Gidley real dangerous as support players.

Luke O'Donnell is made for Origin footy and although he hasn't been in great form so far - he is a must if we are to have guys who will stand up to the QLD pack. He and Hindmarsh have to play the full game too as they’ll annoy QLD all game in different ways.

That leaves the forward rotation working around Kite/Bailey and Laffranchi/Gallen which means we won't lose an awful lot when our starting props are on the bench.

Then the wildcard in Mateo - play him anywhere but give him a chance in both halves to come on and try something. He's shown a willingness to defend a lot more in 2009 and do some grunt work so he won't be a liability if an attacking role isn't available for him. And Wing is another key off the bench - his two games for Souths have been dynamic - he is a quality player who knows what to do coming off the bench which is HUGE at Origin level. We can't pick a relative rookie in the utility spot it is a waste since they won't get much game time and probably float a bit without a defined role. Wing can and will do the job.

Those who just missed out include: R Hoffman, M Weyman, C Heighington, L Stuart, L Douglas, G Stewart, J Monaghan.

Hoffman has been poor in 2009 - not sure what it is but he doesn't have 'it' so far in 2009 coming back from a long term injury could be the reason, Weyman has done well for a month - love him as a player but don't think it is quite time for him to surpass Bailey and Kite yet – or a better backrower, Heighington and Stewart had brilliant 2008s but have been so so in 2009 and will struggle to get ahead of those already picked (unless the selectors continue their Hindmarsh-hate one might get in), Luke Stuart and Luke Douglas would both do a fine job as the 3rd prop but the selectors seem to want to pick flashy big name types rather than guys who can do the job consistently so they'll miss out, and I think Monaghan doesn't offer enough 'on the ground' to keep out Jennings or Morris who are weapons running the ball and Hayne to me looks like a classic case of a player playing league because he’s good at it rather than because he loves it – no room in Origin for that kind of player for mine. And if Cooper plays there's the defensive centre taken care of. Of course there’s other halfbacks to choose from (Pearce, Wallace, Orford, Finch and Mullen) and I can’t see Barret or Anasta getting a run this year.

So there’s my 2009 NSW Side… I think it can beat QLD’s version and reclaim that shield which is rightfully ours!
 

Joe's Magpies

Juniors
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4 rounds gone so we have a decent indicator of form. The QLD backline is one of the greatest in history, so I'll be going for defensively solid centres. here's my current side:

1 - Gidley In good form and not a shred of competition with Minchiello and Stewart out. Stewart will have 7 rounds to prove his point though before game 1.
2 - Monaghan Imo there aren't too many wingers making a great case at the moment.
3 - M. Aubusson Won't be a popular pick I assume but has everything needed to succeed at Origin level. A lot quicker than he looks, gets the ball out to his winger, and most importantly flawless defence. Hopefully he'll prove my point by containing Hodges, Folau and co on Good Friday.
4 - Cooper Another top defensive centre, been there many times before. Both centres picked can find the line and are better defensively than competitors such as Lawrence and Jennings.
5 - Jennings I'm not sure if he can play Wing (Panthers fans?) but he deserves selection. There aren't too many wingers making a standout case at the moment. I'm sure we'll see the likes of Quinn make a return though given the coach :(
6 - Anasta In good form and getting better each week. The only sensible competitors are Barrett and Campese, but with Barrett only having had 2 games in the NRL in years and Canberra playing terrible football, Anasta should get the nod.
7 - Wallace In brilliant form, and although outplayed by Soward on Friday, overall has better form, and stands out in front of other hopefuls Pearce and Mullen. Orford is yet to be spotted in 09.
8 - Weyman Probably the form prop of the competition, at least in NSW anyway.
9 - Ennis Sorry Farah, second choice yet again. Ennis is the form hooker of the competition.
10 - Bailey Experienced, in good form, and was there last time NSW won a series. Making huge metres for the Titans.
11 - Fitzgibbon Still making the opposition look average. Was without a doubt the only NSW forward that can hold his head high after last year's bashing. 15/16 goals for the season too.
12 - O'Donnell Decent form, has done the job before.
13 - Sutton In good form and Souths winning games, should finally get his chance this year. Not a five-eight though, regardless of some calling for his selection there.

14 - Lewis Form utility of the competition, can slot in all over the place.
15 - Mark Minichiello With Bailey, making massive metres for the Titans. Flying under the radar for the last couple of years but look at his stats. 37 hitups for 461 metres. Obviously breaking the advantage line with nearly every run.
16 - Creagh Another big metre eater capable of getting of the QLD forward pack.
17 - Galloway In good form, currently one of the form props in NSW.

Ennis the form hooker of the competion. What drugs are you on. Farah has been in fantastic form. Has scored 2 tries, kicked 2 40/20's has made more metre's in attack than Ennis, has more try assits than Ennis. The only area where Ennis is leading Farah is metres made when kicking.
 
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I'll have another lash

1. Gidley (Stewart can't be considered yet)
2. Lawrence
3. Cooper
4. Monaghan
5. Best
6. Soward/Campese (can't split em at the mo)
7. Wallace
8. Kite
9. Farah
10. Bailey
11. Laffranchi
12. Creagh
13. Sutton

14. Lewis
15. Galloway
16. Weyman
17. Gallen
 
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1. Kurt Gidley
2. Nathan Merritt
3. Colin Best
4. Michael Jennings
5. Joel Monaghan
6. Terry Campese
7. Peter Wallace
8. Luke Bailey
9. Robbie Farah
10. Michael Weyman
11. Chris Heighnington (spelling?)
12. Anthony Laffranchi
13. Luke O'Donnell

14. Keith Galloway
15. Luke Douglas
16. Ben Creagh
17. John Sutton
 

saint-colesy

Juniors
Messages
2,110
1. Kurt Gidley
2. David Williams
3. Joel Monaghan
4. Matt Cooper
5. Jaryd Hayne
6. Terry Campese
7. Peter Wallace
8. Brent Kite
9. Robbie Farah
10. Michael Weyman
11. Ben Creagh
12. Anthony Laffranchi
13. Paul Gallen

14. Keith Galloway
15. Luke Douglas
16. Justin Poore
17. John Sutton
 

petetheileet

First Grade
Messages
5,605
NSW have a heap of choices in the backrow and no standout at halfback.

It is a worry.

First draft of a side = mix of what I'd pick and what could be picked... but mainly what I'd pick for the SERIES not just Game I.
NSW%20SOO%20Jersy%202009.jpg

NSW
1. K Gidley
2. J Morris
3. M Cooper
4. M Jennings
5. C Best
6. T Campese
7. J Soward
8. L Bailey
9. R Farah (c)
10. B Kite
11. N Hindmarsh
12. L O'Donnell
13. J Sutton
Bench:
14. F Mateo
15. A Laffranchi
16. C Wing
17. P Gallen

Here's the theory behind the team I’ve picked.

In the Backs - Gidley is in as Stewart hasn't played and Gidley deserves a shot at Game One at least to see if his numbers in club footy matter at Origin level – plus he’s a goer so that’s a bonus in my books, with no wingers really to pick from, convert two 2009 centres back to the wing with Josh Morris and Colin Best both strike players with the ball and goodish defensively (but seriously wing defence is vastly over-rated if the player is a gun in attack), Jennings and Cooper offer a great mix of attack and defence and the Monaghan/Cooper mix just doesn't scare anyone for mine - Jennings is a x-factor type so he has to get a long look at the selection table.

The Halves is where NSW really think about what their playmaking setup will be. Soward's kicking game is a must if NSW take two ballplayers at 6 and 13 – which I think they MUST DO. I don't think Pearce or Wallace have a strong enough playmaking game (as in don’t rely on the kick for all your points) to see NSW pick just one ball player at 6 and a regular forward at 13 and both of their kicking games are vastly over-rated for mine – esp field position wise.
So think about what fills a real need and pick Soward for the field position he offers and the nippy speed he has to create opportunities from second phase play - sure he isn't a classic ball player but that's why you have Campese in the #6 and Sutton (or Mateo) in the #13. Both are ‘to the line’ players who will give the ball to their centres and be able to have their running backrowers work off their shoulders on BOTH sides of the field. Plus both Campese and Sutton have size so they aren't liabilities in defence - esp if you pick Soward who is dodgy in that department.

In the Forwards - Robbie Farah has to be skipper and the 80 minute hooker. Even if Craig Wing gets a run on the bench (he has so much more value than Luke Lewis who won't have a role off the bench and be just injury cover which is a wasted spot) then Farah has to still be on the field the whole time. Look at last year every time Buderus was replaced NSW lost a step and Buderus is no Farah when it comes to playmaking. And as skipper Farah for mine displays the necessary ‘losing hurts’ feeling after a game and that is the kind of player you get to lead you – one that hates losing – because they don’t tolerate ineptitude.

My theory in the forwards is rather than taking a step back in quality in the 17 by picking 3-4 props we should take 2 genuine props - Kite and Bailey who are capable of 55+mins and then fill the rest of the pack with various backrowers. I’m not wild about Kite personally but he’ll get picked and I think he can do a job without looking too much like Michael Vella at Origin level.

Laffranchi and Hindmarsh can both play a prop role if required but Hindmarsh has to play 80mins as our answer to their Dallas Johnson/David Stagg - if we don't have a guy like Hindmarsh it won't matter how many flashy running second rowers we have - we'll get beat.

Paul Gallen can play a prop like role in the go-forward department and for mine this is his role in Origin - an impact runner up the guts. He loves padding his stats anyway so why not make him into a front rower off the bench and I think we'll get the best value from him that way. And his ability to off-load up the middle might make the likes of Soward and Gidley real dangerous as support players.

Luke O'Donnell is made for Origin footy and although he hasn't been in great form so far - he is a must if we are to have guys who will stand up to the QLD pack. He and Hindmarsh have to play the full game too as they’ll annoy QLD all game in different ways.

That leaves the forward rotation working around Kite/Bailey and Laffranchi/Gallen which means we won't lose an awful lot when our starting props are on the bench.

Then the wildcard in Mateo - play him anywhere but give him a chance in both halves to come on and try something. He's shown a willingness to defend a lot more in 2009 and do some grunt work so he won't be a liability if an attacking role isn't available for him. And Wing is another key off the bench - his two games for Souths have been dynamic - he is a quality player who knows what to do coming off the bench which is HUGE at Origin level. We can't pick a relative rookie in the utility spot it is a waste since they won't get much game time and probably float a bit without a defined role. Wing can and will do the job.

Those who just missed out include: R Hoffman, M Weyman, C Heighington, L Stuart, L Douglas, G Stewart, J Monaghan.

Hoffman has been poor in 2009 - not sure what it is but he doesn't have 'it' so far in 2009 coming back from a long term injury could be the reason, Weyman has done well for a month - love him as a player but don't think it is quite time for him to surpass Bailey and Kite yet – or a better backrower, Heighington and Stewart had brilliant 2008s but have been so so in 2009 and will struggle to get ahead of those already picked (unless the selectors continue their Hindmarsh-hate one might get in), Luke Stuart and Luke Douglas would both do a fine job as the 3rd prop but the selectors seem to want to pick flashy big name types rather than guys who can do the job consistently so they'll miss out, and I think Monaghan doesn't offer enough 'on the ground' to keep out Jennings or Morris who are weapons running the ball and Hayne to me looks like a classic case of a player playing league because he’s good at it rather than because he loves it – no room in Origin for that kind of player for mine. And if Cooper plays there's the defensive centre taken care of. Of course there’s other halfbacks to choose from (Pearce, Wallace, Orford, Finch and Mullen) and I can’t see Barret or Anasta getting a run this year.

So there’s my 2009 NSW Side… I think it can beat QLD’s version and reclaim that shield which is rightfully ours!

Needs more Creagh
 

voltron

Juniors
Messages
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NSW
1. K Gidley (c)
2. J Monaghan
3. M Cooper
4. M Jennings
5. J Hayne
6. T Campese
7. P Wallace
8. L Bailey
9. R Farah
10. B Kite
11. P Gallen
12. A Laffranchi
13. F Mateo
Bench:
14. C Wing
15. C Heighington
16. M Weyman
17. B Creagh
 

sass

Juniors
Messages
1,073
John Williams is actually better than his brother, but he lacks the premiership ring. If the NSW team was picked on form and ability, John Williams would be on the wing ahead of Hayne or anyone else people seem to pick regularly. It takes a Cowboys fan to see it though - and how many people in NSW are Cows fans?

nah I agree with you! ... sorta. the errol girls and I have always said that we don't know if john is better than dave but it's only because we haven't had the chance to find out. john williams hasn't been playing outside a team in good enough form to show how good he is.

I think at least they are equally talented. dave just got really lucky in his first year in first grade. lucky that manly were so good but also lucky that he even got called up from reserve grade when bani got injured.

a few people told me when they were younger john was always talked up as the better player.
 
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Tommax25

Bench
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4 rounds gone so we have a decent indicator of form. The QLD backline is one of the greatest in history, so I'll be going for defensively solid centres. here's my current side:

1 - Gidley In good form and not a shred of competition with Minchiello and Stewart out. Stewart will have 7 rounds to prove his point though before game 1.
2 - Monaghan Imo there aren't too many wingers making a great case at the moment.
3 - M. Aubusson Won't be a popular pick I assume but has everything needed to succeed at Origin level. A lot quicker than he looks, gets the ball out to his winger, and most importantly flawless defence. Hopefully he'll prove my point by containing Hodges, Folau and co on Good Friday.
4 - Cooper Another top defensive centre, been there many times before. Both centres picked can find the line and are better defensively than competitors such as Lawrence and Jennings.
5 - Jennings I'm not sure if he can play Wing (Panthers fans?) but he deserves selection. There aren't too many wingers making a standout case at the moment. I'm sure we'll see the likes of Quinn make a return though given the coach :(
6 - Anasta In good form and getting better each week. The only sensible competitors are Barrett and Campese, but with Barrett only having had 2 games in the NRL in years and Canberra playing terrible football, Anasta should get the nod.
7 - Wallace In brilliant form, and although outplayed by Soward on Friday, overall has better form, and stands out in front of other hopefuls Pearce and Mullen. Orford is yet to be spotted in 09.
8 - Weyman Probably the form prop of the competition, at least in NSW anyway.
9 - Ennis Sorry Farah, second choice yet again. Ennis is the form hooker of the competition.
10 - Bailey Experienced, in good form, and was there last time NSW won a series. Making huge metres for the Titans.
11 - Fitzgibbon Still making the opposition look average. Was without a doubt the only NSW forward that can hold his head high after last year's bashing. 15/16 goals for the season too.
12 - O'Donnell Decent form, has done the job before.
13 - Sutton In good form and Souths winning games, should finally get his chance this year. Not a five-eight though, regardless of some calling for his selection there.

14 - Lewis Form utility of the competition, can slot in all over the place.
15 - Mark Minichiello With Bailey, making massive metres for the Titans. Flying under the radar for the last couple of years but look at his stats. 37 hitups for 461 metres. Obviously breaking the advantage line with nearly every run.
16 - Creagh Another big metre eater capable of getting of the QLD forward pack.
17 - Galloway In good form, currently one of the form props in NSW.

I see a few problems with this side. One is one prop on the bench, and instead of a prop you have picked mark minichelo? Anasta is a big no-no. Not horrible by any means but has had his chances and never delivered ad there is a better candidate in campese. You said no to campese because the raiders are playing horrible, yet campese has been in good form picking up dally m points throughout those losses, clearly showing he can shine amongst mediocrity (see nsw last three campaigns). Fitzgibbons form has been way down this year. Way down. Goalkicking aside, why would nsw need him there with younger players in better form? Ill give you the BOD on aubusson as I dont watch the roosters enough to be definite on him, but surely the best centre combo is cooper and monnas, with jennings maybe taking centre from monnas and one of either of them and someone else on the wing?

Also, I just saw you discuss why you left otu the likes of heington and laffranchi, but you have picked 3 props, with 1 on the bench, and no discussion of why brent kite misses out? Manly in bad form I suppose...
 
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Tommax25

Bench
Messages
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Todd Payten

True, I forgot about him. But I remember there was a big push (on LU anyway) for payten a few years back but I dont think he had buckleys with the selectors. Same as cuthbo. I think we will be seeing the same old story again. Fitzgibbon at prop, mason at prop that sort of sh*t.
 

andrew057

First Grade
Messages
7,485
Anyone who thinks Ennis is the form hooker in the comp over Farah is clearly missing a few vital chromosomes and should not be taken seriously in these discussions.
 

caylo

Bench
Messages
4,870
Im going to have a go, dont like my chances of being close lol

Stewart
Hayne (outside Jennings)
Cooper
Jennings
Grothe (outside Cooper)
Campesse
Wallace
Waymen
Farah
Kite
Hindmarsh
ODonnold
Mateo (assuming avaliable)

Sutton
Highington
Cross
Poore

If Stewart doesn't play, I would have McKinnon or K.Gidley
If Mateo is not avaliable, Sutton to lock and probably Young(??) on the bench.
 

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