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Organised crime and ElephantJuice in sport investigation part IV

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BunniesMan

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I think you'll find this has been a huge beatup by Clare and Lundy all those months ago. Even others in the Federal Cabinet had no idea what was going on until they saw the big song and dance on the tv.

Essendon is pulling down the pants of ASADA and the government in court as we speak. I think you'll find both Essendon and Cronulla players get no more than a slap on the wrist. This has all been an overreaction of epic proportions.
 

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I think you'll find this has been a huge beatup by Clare and Lundy all those months ago. Even others in the Federal Cabinet had no idea what was going on until they saw the big song and dance on the tv.

Essendon is pulling down the pants of ASADA and the government in court as we speak. I think you'll find both Essendon and Cronulla players get no more than a slap on the wrist. This has all been an overreaction of epic proportions.

from May 2013

This next week is going to be huge.

Mark my words, charges will be laid within the next week.

from July 2013

Look if you keep saving all of my posts on your computer like I'm sure you do eventually some of what I say might end up sounding stupid.

But we will know what if any consequences will arise from all this in the first half of August. Now save this post and come back August 16th. I bet I'll be proven right. Answers, of whatever nature they may be, will be known in the first half of August.

This process is closer to the end than the start.

from December 2013

We are very close to showtime. Our long national nightmare is almost over. Today is judgment day. Any punishments to clubs will be handed very soon. Players will get it if they get it very early in January.

The sooner the better. This has dragged on too long.

February 2014

Judgment day is almost upon us. Our long national nightmare is almost over. Any and all responsible for wrongdoing are about to be punished severely.

Expect dozens of 12-24 month bans across both codes.

Oh dear. I was wrong once or twice, just like the media was wrong. But this time is different. The month of March (2014) is when it'll all happen.

The Ides of March was big for Caesar. I think you'll see that time (mid March) will be big for the Australian sport.

What is happening with Downes is separate to the matter of issuing infractions. The meaningless legal crap will be later. I really don't care about people going to jail. Equally I don't care about rich men suing other rich men and rich organisations.

The stuff that could affect the footy will happen in March. Infractions if any will be handed out in March.

May 2014

Sigh. You keep using my own words against me. The week starting May 19 or the week starting May 26 is when pieces will start to fall into place. Mark my words.

I think you'll find the month of May will be a big one in this investigation.

I think we'll know exactly where each club and each player stands by the end of the month.

The ball will start rolling in May. It's still May.

Major developments will happen before this month is out. I called it weeks ago.
 

gUt

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TBF Bunniesman he was simply marking your words like you asked him to over and over.
 

BunniesMan

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TBF Bunniesman he was simply marking your words like you asked him to over and over.

It was a rhetorical figure of speech. Not meant to be taken literally.

Obviously my opinions change as the information changes. I'm not a stubborn partisan idiot. There was a time I thought Essendon and Cronulla were in big big big trouble. But that was when I took the original press conference at face value. Now I realize Clare and Lundy were empty suits with absolutely nothing of substance to back up their big talk.

Cronulla should be thankful that Essendon had the funds to properly fight this. Because they're benefiting just as much from the government being exposed.
 

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I think you'll find this has been a huge beatup by Clare and Lundy all those months ago. Even others in the Federal Cabinet had no idea what was going on until they saw the big song and dance on the tv.

Essendon is pulling down the pants of ASADA and the government in court as we speak. I think you'll find both Essendon and Cronulla players get no more than a slap on the wrist. This has all been an overreaction of epic proportions.

I cannot believe it took more than few months from the beginning of this facade for you or anyone else to work that out.
 

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-for-another-three-years-20140819-105pyi.html

ASADA saga likely to drag on for another three years

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August 19, 2014 - 10:00PM

Roy Masters
Rugby League Columnist

Forget the fat lady. In sport’s drug cases, it’s usually not over until the final appeal court judge sings.

The 18-month long ASADA/Cronulla/Essendon case, now known as “asaga”, is likely to last another three years, irrespective of what happens on Wednesday when past and present Sharks meet to hear proposed sanctions by the NRL.

Three former Cronulla players – Josh Cordoba (London Broncos), Isaac Gordon (retired) and Broderick Wright (retired) – have taken legal action against the club for a lack of duty of care during the three-month period in 2011 when sport scientist Stephen Dank introduced a new supplement regime.

Cronulla’s board, led by chairman Damian Keogh, is resigned to this legal game beginning when Wednesday’s action ultimately ends.

Past and present Essendon players are yet to litigate against the club for its year-long supplements regime, with those footballers who have subsequently left Windy Hill likely to be the first, should legal action be initiated.

Any 20-year-old AFL player, banned for two years and deprived of $1.5 million, will want to kick behinds.

Lawyers acting for players embroiled in the case anticipate it will take three years before all the parties involved enforce every avenue of appeal, including challenges to any findings by the judicial panels convened by the AFL and NRL.

The case of Sandor Earl, the Penrith and Canberra player accused of multiple offences and already in NRL exile for a year, is before the Administrative Appeals Tribunal because the NRL jumped the gun and suspended him before the Anti Doping Rule Violation Panel had considered his case.

The role of the ADRVP, a review panel of people with legal, scientific, sport and policing experience, appointed by the federal minister for sport, has been largely neglected in the lead up to the Cronulla charges and last week’s Federal Court case involving Essendon.

Cronulla players have not yet been handed show-cause notices (effectively an allegation) by ASADA. Once this is done, the players are given 10 days to respond and ASADA then passes it to the ADRVP, which elects whether or not to place them on a "register of findings".

Incidentally, an ASADA bill before Federal Parliament seeks to abolish the register of findings, a wise move, according to former ASADA chief Richard Ings, who believes it achieves nothing.

Only when players have been placed on the register of findings is an infraction notice (effectively a charge) issued and the sport’s judicial panel meets.

In the case of the NRL, it is chaired by former High Court judge Ian Callinan QC.

All discounts, such as a 75 per cent allowance for a player who admits to using a prohibited substance and provides evidence that results in the discovery of a rule violation by someone else, must be approved by WADA.

The first step in an appeal by a player against a judgment is to the AAT and if that body does not find in his favour, the player or ASADA can proceed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

For example, St Kilda AFL player Ahmed Saad was given an 18-month sanction, rather than the standard two-year ban, by the AFL disciplinary tribunal for using a stimulant. ASADA challenged this at the AFL Appeals Tribunal, which upheld the AFL ruling. ASADA then declined to further appeal to CAS. WADA can also appeal. Saad declined to appeal to the AAT.

Count the acronyms!

Cronulla, having already lost $4 milion as a result of fines, legal costs and lost sponsorship, have ruled out any legal action against ASADA for any findings against their players.

However, Essendon may appeal to the full Federal Court should Justice John Middleton rule against them in the case concluded last week.

It’s three-and-a-half years since the Cronulla doctor shut down the club’s injection program, yet it could be another three years before the Essendon case concludes.
 
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Gallen stands to lose 300k in payments if banned

CRONULLA skipper Paul Gallen will face a potential $300,000 dilemma over whether or not to play ball with ASADA and the NRL. Of the 17 past and present Sharks who are involved in Wednesday’s crucial information meeting, it’s the club’s most influential player who has most at stake.
With the NRL desperate to wipe the scandal from public consciousness before the 2015 season kicks-off, all players are expected to be offered a compromise deal immediate six-month bans that would expire just a fortnight prior to Round One in early March next year.
Apart from the unwanted stigma of receiving a doping suspension, most of the players involved have little to lose on the field.
The three others still at Cronulla — Wade Graham, Anthony Tupou and Nathan Gardner — cannot play finals football, as is the case with four big names who moved to other clubs before the scandal erupted 18 months ago (Jeremy Smith, Kade Snowden — Knights; Luke Douglas, Albert Kelly — Titans).
But while others might be content to train in isolation over the off-season in exchange for a clean slate going forward, Gallen’s summer shapes as the most active — and lucrative — of his long career.
The victorious NSW Origin skipper is certain to be selected in Australia’s squad for the October/November Four Nations tournament.
As Kangaroos vice captain of the Kangaroos, Gallen could well appear in four matches provided the hosts make the final — a windfall of $80,000 under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA).
But Gallen’s growing focus in recent years has been pro boxing. He made a successful debut in February, and was looking forward to three more fights over the off-season.
Early negotiations with Daniel Geale’s promoter, Grange Old School, had pencilled-in dates for early October, late December and February.
As reported by The Daily Telegraph last month, a match-up against US street fighting cult figure Kimbo Slice has been discussed for the second bout.
Given his profile, Gallen could earn between $60,000 and $80,000 for each boxing appearance.

When combined with his Four Nations pay cheque, a $300,000 summertime windfall is very much within his grasp.
Accepting an ASADA ban — even the minimal six months — would take that all away.
Next season could also be Gallen’s swan song, making him more aware of the stench of being hit with an infraction notice for doping, even if the banned substances are alleged to have been taken without knowledge and at the behest of Sharks coaching staff in 2011.
“The players really are in the dark and it’s a bit of a shambles the way the NRL has tried to rush this all through,” said a source close to the negotiations.
“Although they might only miss a month of football, the players are still concerned about their reputations.”
Then there’s the question of whether any deal would preclude players from taking legal action against Cronulla for damages, as former first graders Isaac Gordon, Josh Cordoba and Broderick Wright have already done.
The club is highly concerned that it could be left exposed if waivers are inserted, and was sweating on guidance from a meeting of the players’ legal counsel last night.
The location and agenda of Wednesday’s meeting is so closely guarded that not even the players are aware.
It’s believed they will be told at a last-minute briefing with their lawyers this morning, with team training put on the backburner to accommodate the crucial meeting.
“The way this has been handled is just creating more and more speculation,” another source said. “Yet again, the players are all over the shop.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...+dailytelegraphnrlndm+(Daily+Telegraph+|+NRL)
 

sretsoor

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Doping notices have been issued to 17 past and present Sharks players at a meeting with the NRL and ASADA in Sydney today.

The Daily Telegraph understands show cause notices, which signal ASADA’s intent to charge athletes with a doping infringement, were distributed at the meeting.

GALLEN: I’LL BE LABELLED A CHEAT BY ACCEPTING A BAN

GALLEN COULD LOSE $300K IN PAYMENTS IF HE ACCEPTS BAN

It’s also believed the notices varied in severity, with some players facing bans of up to two years, while others could only be sidelined for as little as a year or six months.

The players have now been given 10 days to respond, and can elect to challenge the notices in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) or Federal Court.

What is a show cause order?
Also called an order to show cause, mandates that an individual or corporation make a court appearance to explain why the court should not take a proposed action.



Prior to attending the meeting, players held briefings with their independent legal teams at various locations throughout the CBD.

Nine - including current Sharks Nathan Gardner, Wade Graham and Anthony Tupou - are being represented by former ASADA solicitor Richard Redman.

Gardner was spotted driving his team mates past Redman’s Pitt St firm around 10:30am.

Shortly afterwards knight pair Jeremy Smith and Kade Snowden - both of whom were exposed to Cronulla’s 2011 supplement regime - were spotted around the corner, en route to a briefing with their solicitor.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...ng-infringements/story-e6frf3uc-1227030586958
 
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