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Overrated Actors

Cliffhanger

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He gets roles because he is a big enough name to fill them. There are plenty of actors that can fit roles it's not that hard. He's a good actor but his roles aren't those that only the top echelon can perform. In fact I highly doubt any producer or director looks at a role and says 'only the very finest actors can do this'. They might be a certain description that only a few actors could suit, but that's mainly on appearance and style not so-called ability and some very well received performances have been by actors that were not the first or second choice for the role.

In the series Band of Brothers (the greatest ever in my opinion) almost all of the main actors were chosen because of the resemblance to their historical counterpart, not on 'ability'. And it was brilliant, the actors were great even if they didn't have experience. None of the actors would be any worse than the big names in Hollywood, they don't get as much recognition simply because they don't have star power.

Not any decent actor can pull off those performances, a great actor is not only believable but provokes strong emotions in you. They make you love or hate them, emphasise with them, etc. He always does that, no matter what type of character he plays he's always both compelling and believable.

Also he was in the Basketball Diaries before he did Titanic, and while I hated that movie, you cannot deny he was brilliant in it. He owns his roles.

Not every actor succeeds in playing the roles they are given either, Mark Wahlberg was the lead in The Fighter and while he did an adequate job it was far from a memorable performance, Christian Bale overshadowed his performance.
 

DC_fan

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Most actors today are overrated. Except for Tom Hanks none compare with the greats of the past.

Today's movies are not about good acting. They are about great special effects.
 
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I love them but their range is limited to comedy but some overrated actors are:
Adam Sandler, Vince Vaughn and Eddie Murphy. Happens to most comedy actors with the exception of maybe Robin Williams and Tom Hanks (Yes he was a comedy actor in Bachelor Party)

i agree with you on limited range some actors just fit a certain personality type and just play off that no matter what movie they are in

vince vaughn is the smart arse with the one-liners
adam sandler (and will ferrell) is the manchild who won't grow up
owen wilson (and michael sera) is the fish-out-of-water loveable loser
jack black (and seth rogen) is the cool pot smoking anti-authority bad boy
 

Pete Cash

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Depends on what films you are watching. TV is the better medium these days imo.

I dont get the hate for DiCaperio at all. In fact I can't remember a bad performance from him even when he was a kid. He is the definition of a natural actor and tends to bring it for every performance. I think it was his run of girly movies in the late 90s that make some people underrate him. Yeah Titanic was a bit annoying and Romeo + Juliet was silly but he was very strong in those films. Since the Beach which was fairly poor imo he has done

Catch me if you can
Gangs of New York
The Aviator
The Departed
Blood Diamond
Revolutionary Road
Shutter Island
Inception
J Edgar

He was outstanding in all those roles.

The only bad movie he has been in over the last 10 years is Body of Lies which was a bit rubbish but the performances from Crow and DiCaperio were really strong. It was just a rubbish film. How can anyone say he is overrated. Crazy.
 
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Depends on what films you are watching. TV is the better medium these days imo.

I dont get the hate for DiCaperio at all. In fact I can't remember a bad performance from him even when he was a kid. He is the definition of a natural actor and tends to bring it for every performance. I think it was his run of girly movies in the late 90s that make some people underrate him. Yeah Titanic was a bit annoying and Romeo + Juliet was silly but he was very strong in those films. Since the Beach which was fairly poor imo he has done

Catch me if you can
Gangs of New York
The Aviator
The Departed
Blood Diamond
Revolutionary Road
Shutter Island
Inception
J Edgar

He was outstanding in all those roles.

The only bad movie he has been in over the last 10 years is Body of Lies which was a bit rubbish but the performances from Crow and DiCaperio were really strong. It was just a rubbish film. How can anyone say he is overrated. Crazy.

urgh the beach what a piece of shit that movie was
 

Springs

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Not any decent actor can pull off those performances, a great actor is not only believable but provokes strong emotions in you. They make you love or hate them, emphasise with them, etc. He always does that, no matter what type of character he plays he's always both compelling and believable.

Also he was in the Basketball Diaries before he did Titanic, and while I hated that movie, you cannot deny he was brilliant in it. He owns his roles.

Not every actor succeeds in playing the roles they are given either, Mark Wahlberg was the lead in The Fighter and while he did an adequate job it was far from a memorable performance, Christian Bale overshadowed his performance.

Most actors will 'provoke' strong emotions in you. All of the actors in Game of Thrones and the Lord of the Rings do that for me and they definitely aren't considered among the 'greatest actors'. Writing is far more important to loving or hating and empathising with a character. It isn't hard to make an audience hate a character, especially when that character is a complete dick. Di Caprio's prescence as a name is what makes those roles seem big. There are several actors who could have done just as good a job. The reason he was cast in a lot of his films is not because 'only a great actor could pull them off' but rather because he was Scorcese's pet at the time.

And no, Di Caprio has not always been believable for me. I couldn't stand him in the Aviator especially, and I would love to see how many times he shouted out 'Rose' in Titanic.

Mark Wahlberg was fine in The Fighter, he didn't take away from the movie at all. Christian Bale overshadowed him because a) the character of Dicky was a far more disturbed, conflicted character than Micky and b) Christian Bale is better at the physical and vocal side of it. The roles are often what wins actors the awards (not that awards are anything to go by). It's the same as with The Dark Knight for example. Heath Ledger got all the accolades for that role, but the role was a much deeper and more disturbed role than the others in the film. Gary Oldman in my opinion put in a better performance but it was unnoticed because the role wasn't 'out there'. But then again I thought Ledger deserved the accolades as he worked on and adapted the character himself rather than the writers or directors, which should be the true role of an actor.

It's one of the only things I can't stand about the movie business. A movie is a piece of work that can only become brilliant from all it's parts working together. Yet all we ever hear about is the actors. And it's simpy because of business. Celebrities are valuable, so they are paid the big money and get the credit while the other workers are overshadowed, especially the writers, directors and producers who all work just as hard and usually a lot harder than the actors do. A final scene shown in a movie has often been through months of hard work involving the director, writers, actors, design, lighting, editing and special effects yet all we usually hear is 'what great acting'.

And with the comedic actors having limited range, I wouldn't say their range is limited I would say they are typecast.

I don't think Di Caprio is overrated I just said he annoys me in his movies. The same as Anne Hathaway does. Nearly everybody has those actors that piss them off. My old drama teacher couldn't stand Brad Pitt but I've enjoyed every movie he has been in.

He is the definition of a natural actor and tends to bring it for every performance.

What exactly is a natural actor?

I will never understand the love people have for actors. Acting as a profession is overrated. When a child can win the highest award while a veteran who has been through many years of drama schooling and a life in the theatre remains unknown, well...
 

firechild

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Mark Wahlberg -. He has the range of T Rex arms. Even in the other guys he was the same as he always is. Every performance is the same but somehow he gets lead roles.

I used to hate Wahlberg but The Departed, Four Brothers, Shooter and The Perfect Storm were awesome movies in which he was fantastic. Ted also looks like a pretty good movie but obviously it's too early to tell.
 

Shorty

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Not any decent actor can pull off those performances, a great actor is not only believable but provokes strong emotions in you. They make you love or hate them, emphasise with them, etc. He always does that, no matter what type of character he plays he's always both compelling and believable.

Also he was in the Basketball Diaries before he did Titanic, and while I hated that movie, you cannot deny he was brilliant in it. He owns his roles.

Not every actor succeeds in playing the roles they are given either, Mark Wahlberg was the lead in The Fighter and while he did an adequate job it was far from a memorable performance, Christian Bale overshadowed his performance.

Depends on what films you are watching. TV is the better medium these days imo.

I dont get the hate for DiCaperio at all. In fact I can't remember a bad performance from him even when he was a kid. He is the definition of a natural actor and tends to bring it for every performance. I think it was his run of girly movies in the late 90s that make some people underrate him. Yeah Titanic was a bit annoying and Romeo + Juliet was silly but he was very strong in those films. Since the Beach which was fairly poor imo he has done

Catch me if you can
Gangs of New York
The Aviator
The Departed
Blood Diamond
Revolutionary Road
Shutter Island
Inception
J Edgar

He was outstanding in all those roles.

The only bad movie he has been in over the last 10 years is Body of Lies which was a bit rubbish but the performances from Crow and DiCaperio were really strong. It was just a rubbish film. How can anyone say he is overrated. Crazy.
You guys seem to have left out 'What's eating Gilbert Grape'.
He plays a mentally disabled kid, was in the early 90s had Johnny Depp in it as well iirc.
Charlize Theron.
You've got to be kidding me:?
 

Cliffhanger

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Had to share this review from IMDB

As many have said, the first time I saw this slice of "unusual" life film, I was certain that the actor playing Arnie was mentally handicapped. This was the performance to end all. I have been around mentally challenged people who were the carbon copy of the character that Leonardo portrayed. I do no think that anyone else could have pulled this off without looking ridiculous. Our protagonist, Mr. Johnny Depp did his usual amazing work, but it is the performance by Leo that makes this film a must see. I just saw it again tonight, and was blown away again. Acting schools must have copies of this in their files!! Will always be a Leo fan for this one film alone.
 

Evenflow

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Jennifer Lopez. Cant sing for shit either.
Matthew McConaughey
Brad Pitt
Catherine Zeta-Jones
Julia Roberts
 

Springs

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Sandler
Kutcher
Pitt
Jolie
Clooney
Kidman

Cant watch them....painful

Exactly. I enjoy Pitt and Clooney (despite his smugness) and think they are rather good. But some people just can't stand them because something they do or the way they act annoys them. It's not a matter of being overrated, it's just personal taste.

As for Gilbert Grape, performances of mentally disabled characters have become so lauded that they are mainly just parodies, 'oscar gold' as they are often called. Explained well in Tropic Thunder. I get it, it's a good performance, but 'to end all' is taking it a bit far, it's no better really than Hoffman, Hanks, Day-Lewis or Penn's portrayals of disabled characters. In fact most actors who play disabled characters are very believable. And I really like that movie.
 

HevyDevy

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If the topic is 'overrated' actors then even the mention of names such as Pitt and Di Caprio is idiotic.

Both are superb.

As has been mentioned, What's Eating Gilbert Grape - amazing.

And Brad Pitt in Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrells is one of my favourite performances. Classic.
 

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