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Overrated Actors

Fire

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Yes because DiCaprio isn't a draw card smh

Sorry, I'll clarify my statement for you.

DiCaprio is a great actor with skill. This also makes him a box office draw card.
Pitt is a average actor and overrated. His good looks simply make him a box office drawcard.
 

madunit

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Jodie Foster, Nicole Kidman, Gwenyth Paltrow, Steven Segal, Jennifer Anniston, George Clooney, Hugh Grant, Ben Affleck, Melissa George, Shia LeBouf, Megan Fox.

f**k so many more....
 

madunit

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I don't know that Sandler is overrated.

It's pretty clear he has a niche. The two times he moved dramatically from that niche he was pretty good (for his ability) but not great.

He has a set style which he does well. He just happens to do it a lot. Can't really call a bloke who isn't really regarded as a good actor to be overrated.
 

HevyDevy

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Jodie Foster, Nicole Kidman, Gwenyth Paltrow, Steven Segal, Jennifer Anniston, George Clooney, Hugh Grant, Ben Affleck, Melissa George, Shia LeBouf, Megan Fox.

f**k so many more....

Segal? At what point did anyone ever suggest he was a great actor?

Great martial artist, sure, but he has never been praised for his acting.
 
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Okay well I agree with fire then. I've never really believed in the Brad Pitt hype but that's just me.

I don't know that Sandler is overrated.

It's pretty clear he has a niche. The two times he moved dramatically from that niche he was pretty good (for his ability) but not great.

He has a set style which he does well. He just happens to do it a lot. Can't really call a bloke who isn't really regarded as a good actor to be overrated.

There goes about half your list :p

I think Jodie Foster is alright. Probably overrated but not in the sense that she is just terrible more inconsistent IMO l
 

Danish

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I don't know that Sandler is overrated.

It's pretty clear he has a niche. The two times he moved dramatically from that niche he was pretty good (for his ability) but not great.

He has a set style which he does well. He just happens to do it a lot. Can't really call a bloke who isn't really regarded as a good actor to be overrated.


People regard him as a good comedian, and for that he is most definitely overrated.

He went from releasing some absolutely hilarious (albeit childish) movies in the 90s to making unfunny popcorn flicks in the naughties to now churning out some of the worst movies ever made in, er, whatever this decade is called.
 

Tyrone Biggums

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Pretty much all of them are just paid for star power and are cast just for being celebrities.

Others I don't like:
Anne Hathaway
Cate Blanchett
Leo Di Caprio
Nicole Kidman
Halle Berry

Actors that aren't bad but just piss me off whenever they open their mouths. Halle Berry won an Oscar for a sex scene and Hathaway takes herself too seriously, thinking she was typecast as a disney girl so decided to do shit like Havoc to show she was a 'serious actress'.

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DiCaprio is one of the best of his generation imo.
 

Springs

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I'll keep that in mind next time I watch Troy, Mr & Mrs Smith and Cool World.

I didn't say Pitt was a bad actor (he's been in some amazing movies), but DiCaprio has a much more accomplished body of work. And yes I will call you 'crazy' if you cannot recognise that. It's not about what style is my personal taste, it's a about the difficult roles that have been portrayed over a body of work. Pitt has a much narrower scope in the roles he takes and has some absolute stinkers on his resume. I enjoy most of Pitt's movies but at the end of the day, he's quite limited in his range for the mostpart.

I disagree. Brad Pitt took on 'challenging' roles in 12 Monkeys and Seven Years in Tibet, did a great job at both. I don't see how Pitt's resume makes his range 'limited' anymore than DiCaprio's. I would number Fight Club, Seven, Snatch, Inglourious Basterds, Benjamin Button, True Romance, Jesse James, Moneyball, Tree of Life, Babel among Pitt's great films. And I don't think he has been in any more 'stinkers' than Di Caprio has, that's just bias on your part.

Everyone has bad movies. You could number De Niro's at 20 or 30. Doesn't count towards their acting ability. Di Caprio I could say 'I'll keep that in mind next time I'm watching The Beach, Romeo+Juliet, Titanic, Poison Ivy, The Man in the Iron Mask' it doesn't mean anything. So Di Caprio also has stinkers on his resume.

Silence of the lambs was mentioned earlier in the thread. What differs that from a standard thriller is the acting.

I think a lot of the writing in that film (and the source material itself ze book) is a bit silly

I disagree with that. The writing is fine, that's only your opinion. It did win best screenplay so the only difference is that your opinion thinks the writing is bad while the acting is good, while others might think the opposite.

A successful TV show runner makes mad coin but it is the actors who have the job to engage with the character with the public. So is it any wonder actors get all the glory from the public.

I think television actors and stage actors are different. Tv actors are often the driving part of a series and work very hard over many years to make it great. Often they get involved with the writing and directing as well. With TV the writers and directors usually come and go and the only constants are the showrunners and the actors, and even the showrunners move on while the actors stay. Still, this lends credence to my opinion that film actors are overrated, as tv actors work harder and contribute more to the success of their series while get nowhere near the fame, credit or influence that film actors do.

DiCaprio is a great actor with skill. This also makes him a box office draw card.
Pitt is a average actor and overrated. His good looks simply make him a box office drawcard.

Simply personal opinion. If Pitt is only a 'drawcard' why take roles in films like Benjamin Button and Tree of Life? Tree of Life was loved by critics but mostly hated by audiences and did not draw well at the box office at all.
Brad Pitt has been in just as many, if not more, good films than Di Caprio and has put in many a good performance.
 
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Springs

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Oh and Pete, Anthony Hopkins played Lector twice more in two films that were not as well received as Silence of the Lambs. Was the difference the acting or the writing/story/directing?

One actor does not make a movie, otherwise why weren't these films as well known? Silence of the Lambs was made great by the writing, directing, cinematography, music and the other actors, as well as the performance by Anthony Hopkins, a performance only onscreen for less than 20 minutes by the way.
 

Pete Cash

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The writing was pretty silly in Silence of the Lambs but certainly less silly than Hannibal. You do make a good point but it isn't as if Demme wasn't acknowledged for his excellent job. That said Ted Tally wrote both Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon which is one of the films you are mentioning. Hannibal was a mess that not even the great Leo wouldn't have been able to save.

Have you read the source material for Hannibal ?
 

Pete Cash

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Titanic is an effective movie (James Cameron knows how to put together a film that will make money) and Romeo+ Juliet is fine if not a little over the top in direction. I wouldn't say they are stinkers. I also would say that DiCaprio was good in all those films. Leos run of films and performances since the year 2000 is unreal. There is a reason that Scorsese wants to work with DiCaprio all the time.
 

Springs

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Titanic is an effective movie (James Cameron knows how to put together a film that will make money) and Romeo+ Juliet is fine if not a little over the top in direction. I wouldn't say they are stinkers. I also would say that DiCaprio was good in all those films. Leos run of films and performances since the year 2000 is unreal. There is a reason that Scorsese wants to work with DiCaprio all the time.

Titanic was two good movies combined to make a not-so-good movie. The story about the ship is my favourite true story of all time (A Night To Remember captures it brilliantly), while the love story is also great. Combined the impact of both are lessened. The real characters of the story are ignored to make us care more about two fictional characters. The reason I hate this film is not because it is a poor film, but because the most visited grave site at Halifax is now 'J.Dawson'. He bastardised the memory of the ship.

The point was DiCaprio has been in plenty of bad films, as many as Pitt. Yes in the last ten years his films have been very good on average, but to say he is brilliant and Pitt is overrated is hypocritical, in my opinion. Since 2006 Pitt has been in 5 films nominated for best picture, so I don't think you can call DiCaprio's body of work superior either.
 

Springs

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The writing was pretty silly in Silence of the Lambs but certainly less silly than Hannibal. You do make a good point but it isn't as if Demme wasn't acknowledged for his excellent job. That said Ted Tally wrote both Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon which is one of the films you are mentioning. Hannibal was a mess that not even the great Leo wouldn't have been able to save.

Have you read the source material for Hannibal ?

I haven't read any of the Hannibal series. It was really the mood, setting and writing that made Silence of the Lambs, I thought the writing was fine but eh, each to their own. Anyways Hopkins certainy didn't save the film with his 20 minute performance, added to it sure, but didn't save it anymore than he did Hannibal.
 

Big Pete

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Didn't realise there is an American Dad episode dedicated to how overrated Clooney is.

It's pretty lolzy.
 

Knightmare

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Most actors will 'provoke' strong emotions in you. All of the actors in Game of Thrones and the Lord of the Rings do that for me and they definitely aren't considered among the 'greatest actors'. Writing is far more important to loving or hating and empathising with a character. It isn't hard to make an audience hate a character, especially when that character is a complete dick. Di Caprio's prescence as a name is what makes those roles seem big. There are several actors who could have done just as good a job. The reason he was cast in a lot of his films is not because 'only a great actor could pull them off' but rather because he was Scorcese's pet at the time.

And no, Di Caprio has not always been believable for me. I couldn't stand him in the Aviator especially, and I would love to see how many times he shouted out 'Rose' in Titanic.

Mark Wahlberg was fine in The Fighter, he didn't take away from the movie at all. Christian Bale overshadowed him because a) the character of Dicky was a far more disturbed, conflicted character than Micky and b) Christian Bale is better at the physical and vocal side of it. The roles are often what wins actors the awards (not that awards are anything to go by). It's the same as with The Dark Knight for example. Heath Ledger got all the accolades for that role, but the role was a much deeper and more disturbed role than the others in the film. Gary Oldman in my opinion put in a better performance but it was unnoticed because the role wasn't 'out there'. But then again I thought Ledger deserved the accolades as he worked on and adapted the character himself rather than the writers or directors, which should be the true role of an actor.

It's one of the only things I can't stand about the movie business. A movie is a piece of work that can only become brilliant from all it's parts working together. Yet all we ever hear about is the actors. And it's simpy because of business. Celebrities are valuable, so they are paid the big money and get the credit while the other workers are overshadowed, especially the writers, directors and producers who all work just as hard and usually a lot harder than the actors do. A final scene shown in a movie has often been through months of hard work involving the director, writers, actors, design, lighting, editing and special effects yet all we usually hear is 'what great acting'.

And with the comedic actors having limited range, I wouldn't say their range is limited I would say they are typecast.

I don't think Di Caprio is overrated I just said he annoys me in his movies. The same as Anne Hathaway does. Nearly everybody has those actors that piss them off. My old drama teacher couldn't stand Brad Pitt but I've enjoyed every movie he has been in.



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