Paul Kent: NRL salary cap isn't working

[betcats]

there is already a long player exemption close to 500k, it may go up slightly pending rlpa demands. that's not a revelation.

Its 200k to cover the whole squad, so it amounts to f**k all really in the scheme of things.

 

[Craig Johnston]

Its 200k to cover the whole squad, so it amounts to f**k all really in the scheme of things.

i agree it needs to be lifted, but there's a fine line between how far they go with lifting exemptions to a point where there's no point in having a cap at all.

 

[Edwahu]

i agree it needs to be lifted, but there's a fine line between how far they go with lifting exemptions to a point where there's no point in having a cap at all.

They already allow clubs unlimited exemptions, as long as they source a third party to pay it.

 

[Craig Johnston]

They already allow clubs unlimited exemptions, as long as they source a third party to pay it.

they allow non club affiliated 3rd parties, simply because preventing it would be against the law

 

[Edwahu]

they allow non club affiliated 3rd parties, simply because preventing it would be against the law

So you argue against lifting exemptions, but are aware that clubs and managers are at the same time able to source unlimited exempt payments for players?

 

[Craig Johnston]

So you argue against lifting exemptions, but are aware that clubs are at the same time able to source unlimited exempt payments for players?

the way unlimited tpa's are being manipulated these days (the clubs are getting smarter with knowing what they can get away with) it does mean the nrl have to control more of what they can control.

 

[Stranga]

Craig Johnston - you're a androtrop.

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

That Crawley article in yesterday's Telegraph was in very poor taste. It was a very obvious attempt to unsettle the Roosters by accusing them of cheating, before their match with Canberra. Crawley's brother is on the Raiders' coaching staff and he should have disclosed that information at the bottom of the article.

Very poor form on Crawley's part and I'd love to see him sacked over it.

But don't you remember all those articles he wrote about the Bronco's being over the cap in the 1990's and early 2000's? Also the ones about the Bulldogs and the Storm? Surely you remember those articles? Also the articles he wrote about the Roosters receiving the least penalties. :sarcasm:

 

[betcats]

Maybe they should do a soft cap on TPA, if you go over the team pays a tax to the nrl that is used for grassroots or whatever.

 

[franklin2323]

Better the nrl funded u16's, u18's and u20's. Then you could have a draft at u20 without gould whinging.

Who then judges what players are worth keeping? Where do these players play?

 

[TheDalek079]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ing-their-glamour-roster-20150331-1mcc1s.html

Phil Gould.

I'm always astounded at newspaper articles speculating about the state of a club's salary cap, based purely on estimated valuations of players in today's marketplace.

Just last week the Sydney Roosters were the subject of such examination. There can be no doubting this is a glamour roster and if you were trying to put this squad together based on today's market values, of course, the salary cap would be bulging at its limits. However, the vast majority of the Roosters squad are playing in 2015 on contracts they signed well before many of them developed into representative-class players, or even first graders.

Some signed their current contracts as far back as 2012. Their roster is one primarily developed from within: 11 of their best 17 players made their NRL debut at the Roosters. Three others played a total of less than 10 first-grade matches between them at other NRL clubs.


Only James Maloney, Michael Jennings and Blake Ferguson joined the club as established NRL players. Their oldest player in that best 17 (Sam Moa) is just 28, while their youngest (Roger Tuivasa-Sheck) will be 22 in June.

If you can identify talent at an early age and back those players to develop into quality first-graders, your players' valuations will nearly always be rising. As a result, players who sit in your cap on contracts signed years earlier will always be in the cap well below their market value. If you want a playing roster like the Roosters, then you need to develop it, because it's far too expensive to buy.

It is what any club craving success should be trying to achieve and it is certainly not something to sneer at.

Salary Cap isn't broken. Some clubs just suck at talent identification and development

 

[Canard]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ing-their-glamour-roster-20150331-1mcc1s.html

Phil Gould.



Salary Cap isn't broken. Some clubs just suck at talent identification and development

So based on that the Roosters team will start to be broken up in the next year or two.

 

[Craig Johnston]

So based on that the Roosters team will start to be broken up in the next year or two.

but they may unearth the next daniel tupou RTS etc, which they have had a habit of doing....they are poaching other club's best juniors and then "bringing them through", which is why the draft is being argued.

 

[Danish]

So based on that the Roosters team will start to be broken up in the next year or two.

Well yes. we are going to lose Tupou and SKD in all likelihood this year, and potentially Maloney as well. This on top of losing SBW and FPN last year from our starting 13.

Next year we'll lose another couple, and another couple the year after that. Hopefully we'll replace them with good young players to make up for it.

Once the next TV rights deal is signed you'll see the most player movement, as that will be when the next major increases in the salary cap will occur (at least thats what player managers think so most contracts will not extend past that date)

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

but they may unearth the next daniel tupou RTS etc, which they have had a habit of doing....they are poaching other club's best juniors and then "bringing them through", which is why the draft is being argued.

Tupou was a reject and was told he wouldn't make it in the NRL. RTS's talent was recognised by the Roosters while he was still at school. I believe he was playing union as well as league.

 

[Valheru]

I still look back at 2011/2012 when we had the majority of our current roster and we were told that they all sucked. In 2013 we bought SBW (The game had passed him), Maloney (a turnstile), Jenko (overrated) and Luke O’Donnel (Over the hill) as well as bringing in Trent Robinson (lol, who??)

Now that we are the best performed team over the least 2 years we have too many rep players to be under the cap and it just isn’t fair.

 

[morley101]

The Cowboys must like the Roosters talent identification as they have picked up many
former Rooster NYC players.
Tamou, Moga, Lowe, Kostjasyn, Asaiata, Winterstein, Bowen & Martin.

and former players.

Linnet, Reuben and Hall

 

[Craig Johnston]

Tupou was a reject and was told he wouldn't make it in the NRL. RTS's talent was recognised by the Roosters while he was still at school. I believe he was playing union as well as league.

ok i appreciate the nitpicking...

try boyd cordner then who was pinched from newy despite his well known talent at the time

or pearce and evans from the tiggers

or jake friend moving to sydney when he was 15

...and RTS as you say who was in the middle of a rugby code tug of war for his signature.

etc
etc

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

ok i appreciate the nitpicking...

try boyd cordner then who was pinched from newy despite his well known talent at the time

or pearce and evans from the tiggers

or jake friend moving to sydney when he was 15

...and RTS as you say who was in the middle of a rugby code tug of war for his signature.

etc
etc

Not nitpicking Craig, just responding to your post.

Yep, all kids with potential but no guarantees of success mind you. Plus every other club has just as much chance of picking up everyone of those players - yet didn't. A guess would be not because of some moral conviction but because they simply didn't appreciate/recognise the talent as quick as the roosters. It's what we pay O'Sullivan for.

 

[Edwahu]

Let's not pretend recruitment and retention is a level playing field, and that every club has the same challenge to build and retain a squad as any other.