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[Valheru]

Wow to use this article as defence against the Roosters having some sort of advantage is pretty astounding and requires some sort of cognitive gymnastics on behalf of Chooks supporters and other advocates (although I don’t understand why their supporters get upset by this talk as they are being advantaged by the system)

The key aspect that has been glossed over by the writer of this article and certain Roosters supporters is this little nugget

Although Cooper Cronk and James Tedesco benefited from whole of game sponsorship, which wasn’t included.

Who are these sponsors? How much are these sponsorships worth (key aspect)? How are these sponsorships arranged (key aspect)?

These questions with TPA’s/sponsorships are at the heart of what is problematic with the salary cap - it isn’t transparent and it is totally open to inconsistencies in terms of application from the NRL.

You either completely rid yourself of sponsorships/TPA’s or continue to allow it but build something within the system that counteracts the advantage that some clubs have on this front - something that advantages theCowboys/Raiders/Warriors/Knights/Penrith/Sharks/Titans etc that don’t enjoy the same corporate advantages)

I posted the article in response to someone whinging about TPAs

I don't know what whole of game sponsorship is, do you?

Let me remind you that all this is in response to a signing the roosters didn't make.

 

[Grapple]

Look at the highest paid list and look where the team is positioned on the ladder

1. DCE (1.2million) - 10th

2. Ben Hunt (1.1million) - 9th

3. Teddy (1.1million) - 6th

4. Turbo (1.1million) - 10th

5. David Fifita (1.1million) - 15th

Top 5 highest paid teams are all struggling or just middle of the pack.

They are all pretty much origin starters though, which kinda disproves your point. It's a team sport mate.

 

[Colk]

I posted the article in response to someone whinging about TPAs

I don't know what whole of game sponsorship is, do you?

Let me remind you that all this is in response to a signing the roosters didn't make.

It would be companies sponsoring players as an avenue for them to become involved in the game. To what end or to whom it involves, I’m not sure.

In any case, it confirms the point I was making - the nebulous and opaque nature of the salary cap and how that in itself is a negative

However, in any case, I wouldn’t be worried about it if I were you. The current system advantages your club, so embrace it

 

[Colk]

Like who?

Teddy? Still one of the highest paid players in the NRL

Who else?

Suggesting your club pays what other clubs do on the open market would undercut your argument.

You wouldn’t be able to afford them, unless of course you are paying players outside your nominal 17 pie and coke money

 

[Penrose Warrior]

They are all pretty much origin starters though, which kinda disproves your point. It's a team sport mate.

Nah, I don't think it does. It proves that the great teams disperse the salary cap more evenly.

 

[Grapple]

Nah, I don't think it does. It proves that the great teams disperse the salary cap more evenly.

You certainly could make that argument, but really great players lift up those around them. I think of JT and his rabble at North Qld, and even DCE to some extent last year.
I don't think it's often warranted to spread it out evenly, you need money invested in leadership more than anything else. If you have decent but proven leaders, they are worth the money over even distribution in my opinion.

 

[SBD82]

You certainly could make that argument, but really great players lift up those around them. I think of JT and his rabble at North Qld, and even DCE to some extent last year.
I don't think it's often warranted to spread it out evenly, you need money invested in leadership more than anything else. If you have decent but proven leaders, they are worth the money over even distribution in my opinion.

Who would you describe on that list as a proven leader though? Teddy? Maybe DCE? Certainly not the others.

 

[Grapple]

Who would you describe on that list as a proven leader though? Teddy? Maybe DCE? Certainly not the others.

Good question mate. I don't think it's about being proven in the past sense, just more about how much trust the players have around them to lead them into battle.

I think DCE and Turbo stand out for mine. They can be relied upon, which is what you want going into battle. Teddy, for sure not a leader, but still lifts the team just by being there ( though has dropped away something crazy these past couple years )

Players like that lift up dud teams. JT did that plenty of times for The Cowboys. All he needed was Bowen and a fast moving forward pack that was right behind his talent. The best example of this is Benji in his prime. The amount of games that guy won just be trusting his talent and running the ball. He had his whole team lifting behind him. Great players do that, and deserve their pay.

 

[SBD82]

Good question mate. I don't think it's about being proven in the past sense, just more about how much trust the players have around them to lead them into battle.

I think DCE and Turbo stand out for mine. They can be relied upon, which is what you want going into battle. Teddy, for sure not a leader, but still lifts the team just by being there ( though has dropped away something crazy these past couple years )

Players like that lift up dud teams. JT did that plenty of times for The Cowboys. All he needed was Bowen and a fast moving forward pack that was right behind his talent. The best example of this is Benji in his prime. The amount of games that guy won just be trusting his talent and running the ball. He had his whole team lifting behind him. Great players do that, and deserve their pay.

I’ll confess that my perspective is tainted by my experience following the Dragons.

Players like JT, Benji and Turbo certainly light up teams. But for every one of them there are probably ten that are overpaid and don’t live up to the pay packet. For us it was blokes like Dugan and Hunt.

I guess it makes sense. Poor teams have to take a punt on potential or pay more to fill a gap in the roster. Worked with the Cows and JT. Hasn’t worked so far with the Titans and Fifita.

I guess that’s why I’d focus on character and leadership over a superstar. Ben Hornby had half the skill of Hunt. But I’d have him in a heartbeat over our current captain. The superstars can come later to add polish.

 

[This Year?]

I might get myself an honorary Roosters membership.

The tears in this thread look very appetizing.

My morning routine this week has been reading this thread while drinking coffee. Nice light entertainment.

 

[Floodwaters]

You certainly could make that argument, but really great players lift up those around them. I think of JT and his rabble at North Qld, and even DCE to some extent last year.
I don't think it's often warranted to spread it out evenly, you need money invested in leadership more than anything else. If you have decent but proven leaders, they are worth the money over even distribution in my opinion.

Jonathon Thurston for all the love he got at NQLD hardly had a good year. 2 Top 4 finishes in 14 years at the club.

 

[some11]

Jonathon Thurston for all the love he got at NQLD hardly had a good year. 2 Top 4 finishes in 14 years at the club.

Money never really flowed up north the way it has at certain clubs.

They threw the kitchen sink at retaining him every couple of years and didn't leave much outside of that. Everyone knows successful clubs have special accounting 'tricks' to attract talent & keep a core of their squad together.

 

[Floodwaters]

Money never really flowed up north the way it has at certain clubs.

They threw the kitchen sink at retaining him every couple of years and didn't leave much outside of that. Everyone knows successful clubs have special accounting 'tricks' to attract talent & keep a core of their squad together.

Successful clubs have players willing to play on good money but not money that kills the teams chances.

 

[SBD82]

Successful clubs have players willing to play on good money but not money that kills the teams chances.

Really ruined their chances in 2015.

 

[MugaB]

Really ruined their chances in 2015.

It probably helped that he was from Nth Qld

 

[Floodwaters]

Really ruined their chances in 2015.

NQLD had the best half-back in the comp for 14 seasons and won 1 comp.. hardly anything to crow about & there was about 5 bottom 5 finishes mixed in there, hardly consistent.

Cooper Cronk won 6.

 

[SBD82]

NQLD had the best half-back in the comp for 14 seasons and won 1 comp.. hardly anything to crow about & there was about 5 bottom 5 finishes mixed in there, hardly consistent.

Cooper Cronk won 6.

Cooper Cronk was a better halfback than JT.

 

[MugaB]

Cooper Cronk was a better halfback than JT.

Garbage, cooper cronk, was in better teams, if JT stays at the dogs he probably wins more than his only 2 premierships, if you had cronk playing in nth qld they don't win any GFs... he played alongside smith, slater, inglis etc... cows had none of those type of talented players, JT then bupkiss...
Then cronk goes to the chooks where they again had a quality roster

 

[SBD82]

Garbage, cooper cronk, was in better teams, if JT stays at the dogs he probably wins more than his only 2 premierships, if you had cronk playing in nth qld they don't win any GFs... he played alongside smith, slater, inglis etc... cows had none of those type of talented players, JT then bupkiss...
Then cronk goes to the chooks where they again had a quality roster

I don’t know why you think any of that means that Cronk wasn’t a better halfback than JT.

 

[Floodwaters]

One thing you can't deny whenever Cronk was injured at QLD or Australia level JT and the side struggled.