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Phil Hughes - When do we drop him?

When do we drop Phil Hughes from the test side

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BunniesMan

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Pete Cash said:
It's the fact that you think it's fun to mention him every ten seconds including death riding current players. It's dumb. Stop being dumb. If you aren't trolling stop talking about him for a few weeks. Just a few weeks.
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I didn't mention him for months. Noone cared. And I have never death ridden any player.

If you mean times I've disagreed with selections then you're saying literally every single person on this forum deathrides player. I actually said on the morning of the first test I hope we're 0/600.

There's a difference between expecting failure and hoping for failure. I sometimes do the former just like EVERYONE else. I never do the latter.

RHCP said:
Ricky Ponting scored a shitload of runs in the Shield after he was dropped (I mean retired) from the Test side. By BM logic, he should have been brought back in.

Sometimes, especially after already being dropped three times, you need to look beyond the scoreboard.
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If he was dropped 3 times for legitimate reasons then maybe you would. The first time he was dropped was THREE tests after scoring two tons in a test against the best attack in the world.

The third time he was dropped was ONE test after being our best recognised batsman. And not to mention that he was being played out of position. If Clarke can't go up 1 spot why is WilliamGilbertGrace expected to move 6 spots and not have a single bad test.
 
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BunniesMan said:
The third time he was dropped was ONE test after being our best recognised batsman. And not to mention that he was being played out of position.
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was he playing in the back row?

Or goalkeeper?

Maybe Goal Attack?

Jockey?

Navigator?

Pit Crew?

What role was this batsmen forced to do other than being a batsmen?
 
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madunit said:
was he playing in the back row?

Or goalkeeper?

Maybe Goal Attack?

Jockey?

Navigator?

Pit Crew?

What role was this batsmen forced to do other than being a batsmen?
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Oh ffs you're being deliberately ignorant. Michael Clarke refuses to move up 1 spot, allowing a series of less experienced and less talented players to go there to the detriment of the team. He is one of the best players in the world and is seriously stressed by moving 1 spot. And yet WGG is supposed to move 5 spots and handle it the same way he would handle the spot where he has batted his entire life and adapt without a single bad test.
 
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Michael Clarke has moved up one spot from 5 to 4. He moved there at the start of the Ashes except for match 2 when he moved down 1 spot to let WilliamGilbertGrace bat ar 4 instead of 6. After WilliamGilbertGrace scored a pair of 1's and was dropped he moved back up. He did bat twice at 5 when Australia were chasing quick runs and he put in Warner (who batted at 6 in the firsts innings) in match 3 and Haddin and Faulkner at 3 and 4 in match 5. Both of those times were the second innings of the match. Since moving up he has scored 3 hundreds and a 50 at an average of 52.80 when batting at 4 compared to a career average of 52.58
 
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Clarke batted at 3 in India too didn't he?

If we didn't consistently pick bums like Watson and WilliamGilbertGrace then Clarke would have been at 4 for a lot longer.
 
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BunniesMan said:
Oh ffs you're being deliberately ignorant. Michael Clarke refuses to move up 1 spot, allowing a series of less experienced and less talented players to go there to the detriment of the team. He is one of the best players in the world and is seriously stressed by moving 1 spot. And yet WGG is supposed to move 5 spots and handle it the same way he would handle the spot where he has batted his entire life and adapt without a single bad test.
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what role is a batsmen supposed to do. By your logic, you are admitting that Daisy has a very limited capability that can only be capitalised upon by allowing him to open the batting.

So given your admission of the above, what do you regard to be Daisy's biggest failings as to why he can only bat as an opener, yet is completely miffed about how to play cricket as a batsmen batting down the order.

You also said once before that Daisy would be a legend at 3. You don't even know what argument you are trying to make.

You have clearly shown here that you think drastically limited batsmen who require a very specific scenario should be getting picked at an elite level.
 
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Clarke at 4 is exactly where he should me IMO... he has a small weakness against short stuff, and is brilliant against spin... debatable whether your best bat is usually at 3 or 4 - the likes of G Chappell, M Crowe, Miandad, and even Viv when Rowe and later Richardson were about (admittedly he batted 3 a lot too)... and the great Border and S Waugh generally were 5, and Border moved to 4

WilliamGilbertGrace is a numpty but BM is amusing
 
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Daisy's averages by batting position
Opener - 32 inns 1072 runs at 34.58
Number 3 - 10 inns 372 runs at 37.20
Number 4 - 5 inns 10 runs at 2.00
Number 6 - 2 inns 81 runs at 81.00

Clarke has had 40 Inns at number 4 and 21 at number 6

Watson averages 40.98 when Opening.

Yes, Daisy is a worse opening batsmen than Dickhead Watson
 
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What's worse is expecting the same sorts of concessions be given to WGG as Clarke. Clarke's an exceptional player in ATG form, as far as I'm concerned he has the pick of the order. WGG is a fringe player and should bat where the team needs him. If he's good enough he'll make it anywhere in the top 6 (see Hussey).
 
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age.s said:
What's worse is expecting the same sorts of concessions be given to WGG as Clarke. Clarke's an exceptional player in ATG form, as far as I'm concerned he has the pick of the order. WGG is a fringe player and should bat where the team needs him. If he's good enough he'll make it anywhere in the top 6 (see Hussey).
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Or Langer
 
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Yep you take the opportunities given to you. Phil would not have had to deal with being a 6 if he didn't get found out as an opener in the first place. Warner and Rogers have been steady enough for the first time since Watson and Katich in their prime.
 
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