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Phil Hughes - When do we drop him?

When do we drop Phil Hughes from the test side

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BunniesMan

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madunit said:
So given your admission of the above, what do you regard to be Daisy's biggest failings as to why he can only bat as an opener, yet is completely miffed about how to play cricket as a batsmen batting down the order.
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Since he has changed his technique he is very good at facing quick bowling. Much better than against spin bowling. He is much more likely to be able to get his eye in against quicks than against spinners. If he gets his eye in and gets to 20 or 30 against quicks I think he will be far less likely to get out cheaply to spinners compared to facing them from ball 1.

A critical part of test batting for teams is to get through the new ball without suffering too much damage. I believe he is more likely than any other Aussie opener to get through the new ball. That would go a long way to stopping our top order collapses that have troubled us for years now.

In summary, I believe the team would be better by having him open. And I believe he'd be a better player if he is only played as an opener.

All I want is for him to have one series as opener with his new technique. If he failed at opener I would never want him picked again. I would never mention him as a potential test cricketer ever again.
 
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His changed technique made him worse. Now he's suspect against any bowling just outside off stump on a good length. He gets caught behind the wicket from edges way too often for his technique change to be an improvement

His technique is not the biggest issue. It's between his ears.

He has failed at test level as an opener, as first drop and as a middle order batsmen. He's had two chances to redeem himself. Fact is, he's one of a long line of players who are great at FC level but don't have what it takes to make it at Test level.
 
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Phil is not as great as BM thinks he is and he is not as crap as a lot of his critics here think he is. I think he has earned the right to be considered next batsman picked but I do not think he has earned the right to have a winning team rearranged for him.

He should be next picked but wait until injury, retirement or when the losses start piling up.
 
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Of the 47 times Daisy has got out in Test cricket, 7 of those were caught by the keeper and 16 times he was out to spin bowling (Only once was he out to spin, caught by the keeper)

so 22 of his 47 dismissals are against spin or edges off quicks.

That doesn't include the 4 instances of ct Guptil b Martin

That says his technique is not better, he's worked on mildly improving himself against quicks but has made himself immesurably worse against spin.

He's just not test quality.

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The other thing going against him is for most of the time he's been on the scene it's not like he had great batsmen standing in his way or going for the same opportunities. See Cowan, Marsh, D Hussey, Khawaja, Ferguson, Watson etc. Fact is if Hussey hadn't retired he'd still be batting in the middle order.
 
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madunit said:
Of the 47 times Daisy has got out in Test cricket, 7 of those were caught by the keeper and 16 times he was out to spin bowling (Only once was he out to spin, caught by the keeper)

so 22 of his 47 dismissals are against spin or edges off quicks.

That doesn't include the 4 instances of ct Guptil b Martin

That says his technique is not better, he's worked on mildly improving himself against quicks but has made himself immesurably worse against spin.

He's just not test quality.

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I think the other dismissal against NZ was c Taylor b Arnel - so that would have been first slip...

As you say, you don't need to dig deep to see the issues, they're pretty clear. It is strange that your domestic teams can't sort this as well...

And the whole argument of an opener not being able to bat 6 is ridiculous - first, the person has fundamental issues against both the new ball and against spin, and second Mike Hussey!
 
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JJ said:
And the whole argument of an opener not being able to bat 6 is ridiculous - first, the person has fundamental issues against both the new ball and against spin, and second Mike Hussey!
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Other examples that went ok
Greg Blewett
Simon Katich
Justin Langer
Ricky Ponting - started around #6 and batted most at #3
 
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BunniesMan said:
Since he has changed his technique he is very good at facing quick bowling. Much better than against spin bowling. He is much more likely to be able to get his eye in against quicks than against spinners. If he gets his eye in and gets to 20 or 30 against quicks I think he will be far less likely to get out cheaply to spinners compared to facing them from ball 1.

A critical part of test batting for teams is to get through the new ball without suffering too much damage. I believe he is more likely than any other Aussie opener to get through the new ball. That would go a long way to stopping our top order collapses that have troubled us for years now.

In summary, I believe the team would be better by having him open. And I believe he'd be a better player if he is only played as an opener.

All I want is for him to have one series as opener with his new technique. If he failed at opener I would never want him picked again. I would never mention him as a potential test cricketer ever again.
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Dude not jumping on the hate train but he promised a new technique in his last dig at test cricket, if he fails again and dreams up another all new technique does he get another shot and if so what about the time after that? Do I Geta shot at test batting because I have a new technique?

Remember Marcus North? Or Phil jacques?
Both prolific at first class level and absolute failures at test level
 
jargan83

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Yeah Phil Jaques did his back in the West Indies I think.

Scored a 100 in his last Test innings as well from memory
 
JJ

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fine player Jaques, not sure why anyone would say he failed at test cricket... especially given the centre of discussion in this thread :lol:
 
Timbo

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Jaques just kept getting injured and the players who came in took their opportunities and he couldn't get back.

Infinitely better player than WilliamGilbertGrace.
 
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