Poker

[Ghoulies]

Yes, you did. I never even implied they were cheating, I said FT was bad beat central.

If you can tell me where the implication is, please do.

No, it was an interesting example of why playing online with your money is stupid.

I play offline, with real people and the amount of river miracles happens much more online than IRL.

IRL you don't push all-in or call an all-in with an inside straight draw. Online, I think about it only because I see the miracle hit so often. I'd never do it though, unless I was significantly short-stacked.

The problem with online is that it's not reality. People will do it because of the anonimity. It's much easier to step up from the computer after a geniused call/all-in than it is to step away after doing it on the felt.

Ah, that clears it up.

I see, but you'd happily push with two pair 9's and aces with AAK on the board and 4 players seeing the flop?

Two points: you said he shoved on the turn after he became full, and I'd assumed that the hand was being played heads up, as you would with two players holding very good starting hands considering the circumstances. Obviously if the pot was 4-way it was a very loose call on the flop.

Online, you pull it and yay for you.

IRL you do it and you'd be pushed from pillar to post after a stupid raise like that. 4 see the flop on a final table with 3 and 6k blinds and he's assuming no one has a king or an ace?

If you do it online you'll lose the vast majority of times just as you would when playing live. Considering that this was a freeroll I think it has more to do with the fact that people have nothing at risk. If you've ever played at some higher online stakes you know that the anonymity is little comfort after you've just donked off a big tournament buy-in with stupid plays like that.

 

[Ausguy]

anyone online??? pokerstars....

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

ausguy... ill be on there soonish.

 

[Ausguy]

im in sit n go... wat was ur name again

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

aussiehobo

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

You're going to get bad beats when playing free rolls/play money because people don't care if they hit it or not, it's costing them nothing to chase the draw they want, if they hit it they think they're a genius, if not they just recharge their play money or wait for the next freeroll.

Even early on in the low buy in tournies you have to be careful because there are a lot of people going for the miracle cards for an early double up, if you pick your spot right you can usually take a lot of chips off them but sometimes they are going to suck out.

I almost always leave the first 2 or 3 hands alone for those reasons.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Two points: you said he shoved on the turn after he became full, and I'd assumed that the hand was being played heads up, as you would with two players holding very good starting hands considering the circumstances. Obviously if the pot was 4-way it was a very loose call on the flop.

It was heads up after the flop because the others folded after he bet with two pair and I called. I'd call that a very loose bet/semi-bluff. When the cards were turned he had 999AA v my AAAQQ. He had 1 card in the deck. I accept that it happens occasionally but it's not the first time I've seen it on full tilt. The classic is the bloke sucking out with a straight draw on the river. In any tourney I play it'll happen many, many times.

If you do it online you'll lose the vast majority of times just as you would when playing live. Considering that this was a freeroll I think it has more to do with the fact that people have nothing at risk. If you've ever played at some higher online stakes you know that the anonymity is little comfort after you've just donked off a big tournament buy-in with stupid plays like that.

Even in a freeroll I'd expect the final table to be where the decent players end up and for the most part they are. The overall point is that the anonymity gives people dutch courage, courage they almost certainly wouldn't have live. It's much harder to push all-in out of position with a crap hand live than it is online.

I won an another after dark freeroll last night by avoiding the early junk then picking my spot. I won even after having someone suckout with an inside straight draw on the final 2 tables. I didn't have a drama with it though, he was pot committed because he had called my bet with two pair against his top pair with a good kicker.

You obviously play at a reasonable level, the point I'm trying to put over is that if you're going to play with your own money, find tourneys at your local clubs and work your way up from there. Don't play it online. I was a member of an online poker comm (f**king wimps) and there were plenty of people there prepared to brag about "cashing" in cents.

I use online for making quick decisions on things like pot odds, percentages etc. It helps when I play live.

 

[HevyDevy]

No, no, no!!

Seriously EA, do NOT play at your local pub if you want to improve your game - they are TERRIBLE players. They'll drag your game down. You need to play against better players to improve your game. I know you have a low opinion of what I say - so be it - but I can assure you the only real benefit of playing at the pub is to introduce you to the game. If you get to a point where youi want to take it seriously, stop playing at the pub.

Even the Casino has plenty of fish at the lower levels. I don't know how many times on the $1/$2 tables I've been on the button and seen the whole table limp in. I've then raised to $25 and had every single player call. Now, that's just ludicrous. It's also easy money if you're patient but you have to play a very different game.

Of course there are shocking players online too but as you move up the money levels that becomes less of a problem.

 

[STSAE]

You're going to get bad beats when playing free rolls/play money because people don't care if they hit it or not, it's costing them nothing to chase the draw they want, if they hit it they think they're a genius, if not they just recharge their play money or wait for the next freeroll.

Even early on in the low buy in tournies you have to be careful because there are a lot of people going for the miracle cards for an early double up, if you pick your spot right you can usually take a lot of chips off them but sometimes they are going to suck out.

Very well put mate. HevyDevy and Ghoulies are on the same page aswell.

EverhatingAntieverything has always been the same. Would argue the skys pink if someone would respond. Deadset farknuckle. Maybe he remembers me???

Ive played Pokerstars for a few years now. Theres actually a few Chooks I know who started a Private Tourney. $5.50 buy in, its a good laugh I must say, the friday night special.

I will look for you blokes.

:lol: :lol:

 

[dio]

No, no, no!!

Seriously EA, do NOT play at your local pub if you want to improve your game - they are TERRIBLE players. They'll drag your game down. You need to play against better players to improve your game. I know you have a low opinion of what I say - so be it - but I can assure you the only real benefit of playing at the pub is to introduce you to the game. If you get to a point where youi want to take it seriously, stop playing at the pub.

Even the Casino has plenty of fish at the lower levels. I don't know how many times on the $1/$2 tables I've been on the button and seen the whole table limp in. I've then raised to $25 and had every single player call. Now, that's just ludicrous. It's also easy money if you're patient but you have to play a very different game.

Of course there are shocking players online too but as you move up the money levels that becomes less of a problem.

freerolls and play money do worse things to your game than any real touney

 

[HevyDevy]

Yes they do, but pubs don't hold real tourneys either - they're all as bad as each other.

I started my real money account playing $10 SNG and have progressed from there.

I won't play anything smaller.

 

[dio]

Depends alot on your local pub.

 

[HevyDevy]

Not really - I've probably stumbled across half a dozen genuinely good players in all my times going to pubs.

At the end of the day, you can't get better by just playing at the pub every day. You need to read books, you need to develop a complete understanding of the game and from there allow your skills to develop.

 

[Mr Angry]

I gave it a crack based on this thread.

I now have 5000 in play money after about 8 hours.

Playing hold 'em fixed limits 10/20

Been interesting, I have discovered I enjoy serial raisers. Always keeps the pot a good size, and you simply chose the hands to hit them with.

Anyways early days yet, I am hoping to get to 20000 so I can start on the 100/200 tables.

SurlsDeAngry

 

[dio]

Books, nah playing the right games and learning from your mistakes learn to minimise your mistakes by making them in the fist place.

 

[HevyDevy]

You have to read books, although they need to be the right ones.

 

[AusKnightRKO]

u need to get a deep knowledge of the game to learn more and greater ur skills

 

[Packy]

I play a bit on poker.com. Anyone else play there?

Have won a few tourneys and play sit & Go pretty often.

 

[HevyDevy]

u need to get a deep knowledge of the game to learn more and greater ur skills

Yeah for sure, I'm surprised people on here believe otherwise.

It is ESSENTIAL to read books and learn the theory, as well as avoiding low level games once you reach a certain point.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Hell, read as many book as you can on the subject, then get your arse down to the club and play.