Put up or shut up, ASADA.

[St_Jubbsy]

Yep I agree that Lundy and Clare popped their heads up on this when they shouldn't have but to claim it has been all their doing is just bizarre, just like the bleating here.

And again the resort to the seeking a scalp under "orders"....LOL. Brilliant.

As is the view that because ASADA have not laid charges yet then they must have nothing. They haven't even interviewed the players involved yet - don't you see how wrong it would be to take any action either way before this occurs? Seriously?

 

[The Popper]

And as far as ASADA and those above not giving a damn about the anguish all this is causing. Of course they don't - `Whatever it takes'.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

He is just pointing out what the rule book says. What he doesnt understand that the rule book is not followed.
The entire affair is politicised & its sole purpose, is part of a multi pronged attack, to take the labor party off the front page.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Yep I agree that Lundy and Clare popped their heads up on this when they shouldn't have but to claim it has been all their doing is just bizarre, just like the bleating here.

And again the resort to the seeking a scalp under "orders"....LOL. Brilliant.

As is the view that because ASADA have not laid charges yet then they must have nothing. They haven't even interviewed the players involved yet - don't you see how wrong it would be to take any action either way before this occurs? Seriously?

ASADA have already made up their minds on what will be happening. The interviews are nothing more than a legal technicality to tick off. After that, They will be trying for full impact & for as much carnage as possible against the weakest link possible. They know that once it goes to tribunal it will be over turned. Unlike a court of law where evidence is required for a matter to proceed to trial, that is not what ASADA require.
Again, read the Kurt Fogg case if you unsure of how the organisation runs & i use the term "runs" very loosely. The entire organisation is made up up of career government workers who are left sympathisers. It seems your understanding of the organisation & government departments in general work. Its not like somebody from treasury is making something up in order to get a prime minister sacked is it?

 

[millersnose]

And again the resort to the seeking a scalp under "orders"....LOL. Brilliant.

Sure there has been absolute tin foil hat stuff in these threads

However having made themselves prominent in this issue from the very outset the two ministers are pressing for a result

We already know the government has materialized another ten investigators after internal pressure in caucus

Let's leave aside how these "investigators" became instantly qualified and proffessional

Are you really saying the government is indifferent about the ultimate result - that they would be cool if their " blackest day in sport" turned into .....well........nothing...?

 

[millersnose]

To be honest jubbs I think asada are under enormous pressure and the express doubling of their investigative staff and the "new legal powers" proposed by Labore makes any claim there is no Political dimension to this issue as much tin foil hat stuff as " they is doin it coz cronulla is a lib seat and essendon isn't"

 

[St_Jubbsy]

ASADA have already made up their minds on what will be happening. The interviews are nothing more than a legal technicality to tick off.

Again, loopy. But at least you acknowledge that ASADA is required to conduct interviews before it "puts up or shuts up". This is progress.

After that, They will be trying for full impact & for as much carnage as possible against the weakest link possible. They know that once it goes to tribunal it will be over turned. Unlike a court of law where evidence is required for a matter to proceed to trial, that is not what ASADA require.

The way ASADA proceeds is in line with the law that is derived from the system established by WADA and followed globally by virtually every international sporting organisation.

Are you saying that this has all been developed over decades to ultimately ensnare an innocent Cronulla?

Again, read the Kurt Fogg case if you unsure of how the organisation runs & i use the term "runs" very loosely. The entire organisation is made up up of career government workers who are left sympathisers. It seems your understanding of the organisation & government departments in general work. Its not like somebody from treasury is making something up in order to get a prime minister sacked is it?

No, it appears that you don't understand how Government works. Putting loony left conspiracy theories to the side, you do realise that there is a huge difference between a normal Government Department that is absolutely subject to the control of the responsible Minister and a statutory authority like ASADA or the ACC?

I am sure you do but again yes, I know, this giant conspiracy by the Federal Government has been able to ensnare all those including Liberal Ministers into its web of deceit to bring down the decent and hard working Cronulla Sutherland DRLFC.

 

[St_Jubbsy]

Sure there has been absolute tin foil hat stuff in these threads

Agreed.

However having made themselves prominent in this issue from the very outset the two ministers are pressing for a result

Maybe, maybe not. But I don't see how the two Ministers are pressing for a result - what do you suggest? The fact that they agreed to supply more resources when ASADA requested them? It was the only responsible cause of action considering the time it is already going to take for ASADA to conduct its work.

We already know the government has materialized another ten investigators after internal pressure in caucus

Yes, it appears some MPs were unhappy with how long ASADA will take to work through this and supported the case for more resources.

Let's leave aside how these "investigators" became instantly qualified and proffessional

I don't know what this refers to but there are plenty of people in other forms of employment who would have the necessary qualifications and experience.

Are you really saying the government is indifferent about the ultimate result - that they would be cool if their " blackest day in sport" turned into .....well........nothing...?

No I am saying that whether they are indifferent about the result or not, they do not have the capacity to bring about any result either way. Maybe I am naive but I think the anti-doping codes have been developed over decades and allows for an impartial process to occur.

I see absolutely no evidence of any Government intervention and would be happy to see such evidence presented if so....

 

[St_Jubbsy]

To be honest jubbs I think asada are under enormous pressure and the express doubling of their investigative staff and the "new legal powers" proposed by Labore makes any claim there is no Political dimension to this issue as much tin foil hat stuff as " they is doin it coz cronulla is a lib seat and essendon isn't"

Everything has a political dimension but that is separate to whether one believes that this has all been generated to take the focus off some bad polls.

Again, the increased resources came at the request of ASADA and the upset within Labor caucus about how long the process was going to take.

The "new legal powers" are actually being supported by the AOC and are subject to Parliamentary approval and oversight.

 

[SharkShocked]

Bla Bla Bla.... Get to the players being stood down already.

Sick of this crap.

Drop players - and get on with it.

 

[Marchad]

The asana are only making these heresay accusations because the yanks got lance Armstrong with heresay evidence the only real evidence is a positive urine sample not some jilted ex trainer making false accusations. The cronulla board should of been defending the players as well instead of trying to make them feel like they had to come clean and dob themselves in

 

[Feej]

The asana are only making these heresay accusations because the yanks got lance Armstrong with heresay evidence the only real evidence is a positive urine sample not some jilted ex trainer making false accusations. The cronulla board should of been defending the players as well instead of trying to make them feel like they had to come clean and dob themselves in

Oh dear...

 

[Windy70]

The asana are only making these heresay accusations because the yanks got lance Armstrong with heresay evidence the only real evidence is a positive urine sample not some jilted ex trainer making false accusations. The cronulla board should of been defending the players as well instead of trying to make them feel like they had to come clean and dob themselves in

Goodness me. I have a love / hate relationship with this post.

 

[Coastal Shark]

Jubbsy, I'll tell you this once. I worked as an investigator for a federal government agency. Whilst we could investigate matters that our intell had supplied, we were also open to be given preference to investigate certain other cases. The minister and others within their department had control of matters that had to be investigated, even though they did not have the same 'value' as other matters.

If you believe for one minute that government agencies aren't dictated to by their respective minister or other interested parties, then you really are deluded.

 

[Windy70]

Dam it Coastal. Since he told us that, he now has to kill us.

Hate getting killed, I'm actually allergic to death. Bad reaction.

 

[millersnose]

Everything has a political dimension but that is separate to whether one believes that this has all been generated to take the focus off some bad polls.

Again, the increased resources came at the request of ASADA and the upset within Labor caucus about how long the process was going to take.

The "new legal powers" are actually being supported by the AOC and are subject to Parliamentary approval and oversight.

Only days before the head of asada said she had enough resources

And as for the press conference you bare clearly intelligent and I refuse to believe you don't know how these things work

Political parties have press managers and staffers manipulating the press
The week if the Thompson/botched election announcement cabinet would have been exploring any way possible of engineering another headline
Being aware of the drugs in sport investigation the heads of the major sports were summoned to Canberra where to their amazement and surprise they wereprops in a press conference
And before you blurt the "it wasn't their conference' line we know how these things work
'Its your decision Joe but we strongly advise you go public immediately'....'Joe come on....make the call'

Now having successfully taken the spotlight off thomo - few weeks later people are screaming for news

Asada clearly aren't ready with the head if asada blurting 150 players etc and having to admit she just made a number up

Asada saying 'steady as she goes' and labore saying 'we have to have a quick result as people are angry......here have a bunch of new investigators ...they were in our climate change department and very good...and heres a bunch if laws that give you guys powers even police investigating terrorism and murder don't have, now quick hurry the f**k up'

No conspiracy and no malice
But it is politicians manipulating an investigation
Do you recall labore differing fair work more resources and extra laws to conclude the thomo investigation?

Neither do I

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[blacktip-reefy]

Everything has a political dimension but that is separate to whether one believes that this has all been generated to take the focus off some bad polls.

If you don't believe that labor took the opportunity to claim the blackest day in Australia sport in what should have been a silent & secret investigation, then you are the pin up boy for nerd nutcases & fairy watchers.
What you dont know is what other strategies the government has undertaken over the last 2 years in preparation of a media sideswipe & king hit, that perhaps didnt unfold as planned.
This one did unfold.
The ministers have instructed the agencies to the letter. Their job was to look where something might be found & create as much mayhem as possible.
The blackest of blackest of blackest days.
Entire teams had systemic doping programs.
Entire competions were fixed by bikie criminals supplying goods to drug crazed athletes who are all actively seeking supersizing ingredients on a daily basis.
What a load of absolute pharken rubbish.

 

[Miller was a legend]

I may be naive, however if the Government has no say in respect of ASADA, why did the NRL CEO seek assurances from the Prime Minister that the AFL and NRL would not be treated differently?

No say? I call BS

 

[Windy70]

This is very f**kin easy Jubs. ASADA please rip off the bandaid. The NRL should be demanding this because it is in their best interest. I am a fly's eye brow off walking away and dismissing this season. Almost done with it. So please. For the fans, not ASADA but the NRL need to step up and keep the fans.

On a secondary note I am a closet Broncos and Parra supporter because I have family that was involved. But if the Sharks have no hope, then I have no interest. And that is that.

 

[Quigs]

No conspiracy and no malice
But it is politicians manipulating an investigation
Do you recall labore differing fair work more resources and extra laws to conclude the thomo investigation?

Neither do I

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"ere Miller"

An up to date report on the Thomo investigation.... well not actually Thommo but the one the Vic Police were investigating the HSU Vic branch lead by one Kathy Jackson --- Tones all inspiring whistle blower. You know the one, she made all the allegations against Thommo.

Here is an interesting bit. Apparently the Vic Gov has reduced the numbers of investigating Police so they are overwhelmed with work. Not munch happening re the investigation.

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The article.

After all, this is a woman who Tony Abbott himself has praised on the floor of parliament. Someone Abbott told us was courageous and we should all admire. I also wonder if George Brandis is making the same frantic phone calls to the Police Commissioner and Police Minister in Victoria to get things moving as he did to their NSW counterparts, when he hoped they could make something stick to Thomson.


This short-staffed squad don?t have the resources to investigate possibly one of the country?s biggest ever fraud cases, but they have the resources to send a bunch of guys up to the NSW Central Coast overnight to arrest Thomson with a dodgy warrant for watching an in-house movie?


I believe Lleyton Hewitt said it best when he said ?C?mon!?


Here is something to consider. In a couple of months Kathy will be part of the Lawler family, leaving the country to be married; I have often wondered if she will ever come back.


Her husband will be Vice President of Fair Work Australia, the organisation that performed the now discredited investigation into the union, he is also the second highest ranking industrial judge in the country. Her brother-in-law will be John Lawler, the CEO of the Australian Crime Commission, and Sir Peter Lawler, Liberal Party Royalty, Catholic lobbyist, ex staffer for PM Robert Menzies, and Australia?s first ambassador to the Holy See will be someone she may well refer to as ?Dad?.


Did I say ?maybe? there is some influence?


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