Question on Peter V'landys

[Perth Red]

you sure it's V'landys idea or is it the broadcasters who are not keen on expanding to AFL states?

doesn’t matter, why sht in your own bed? How do you think the govt’s of those two states feel after spending millions of $’s on RL? How do the fans of the game feel in those states to be told your a waste of money? Or great people like John Sackson who has sunk his heart and soul into growing the game in WA for over ten years, or Peter Cummins who basically funds jnr RL in WA because the nrl doesn’t? You can say no to expansion outside the east coast without shtting on the game in these areas.

Great game hamstrung for 100 years by sht administrators, Vlandys just the latest in a long line.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Interesting thoughts from his lengthy interview on 100% footy. Summary from what i remember:

- Expansion: Brisbane needs to be next. Just waiting for a solid business case. Thinks having an odd number of teams is okay. The bye is a good break for players and welfare. Not keen on 'rusted on' AFL states.

He more or less said that as Queensland is one of the game's nurseries. They need to strengthen that State so that things like State of Origin don't wither as he mentioned it as being the code's biggest money earning event.

 

[mongoose]

Interesting thoughts from his lengthy interview on 100% footy. Summary from what i remember:

- Expansion: Brisbane needs to be next. Just waiting for a solid business case. Thinks having an odd number of teams is okay. The bye is a good break for players and welfare. Not keen on 'rusted on' AFL states.

- Rule changes: Seems to be pushing for less video referee referrals for trys, potentially eliminating it unless players do a captain's challenge (potentially 2 captains challenges for each side). May give referee 1 chance to use video referee for each game.

- Interchanges: Indicated more fatigue is good. May look to reduce further.

- Rule changes: Likes them, not as worried about score blow outs as main goal was to free and speed up the footy.

- Broadcasters:

1. Mentioned main feedback from ch9 and Fox was the need for footy to be less robotic and more free flowing. Hint hint ch9 and Fox may have pushed for the recent rule changes. Ratings had been stagnant or declining. Ratings have since increased and is likely to use that to push for ch9 deal
2. 7 year extension with Fox was key as the main income stream. Allows them to plan ahead and locks in key dividend distributions to clubs. Also allows them to plan for big asset purchases which are not possible without a guaranteed and stable revenue stream. Not looking to invest in stadiums as that asset as it should be non-football assets (doesn't want to end up like AFL whose major asset couldn't generate revenue in COVID)

- Grassroots: Keen to invest more in this but in a smarter way. Also repeated multiple times the need for suburban stadiums and pushing government on this.

I just watched it. He didn't really say anything of much substance, just a bunch of cliches - free flowing footy is important, grassroots and participation is important, the international game is important etc etc

His stance on stadiums is probably the most interesting. Does he really believe the government will fund brand new suburban grounds around Sydney? even Gould was gobsmacked. Guess we will see...

 

[King hit]

doesn’t matter, why sht in your own bed? How do you think the govt’s of those two states feel after spending millions of $’s on RL? How do the fans of the game feel in those states to be told your a waste of money? Or great people like John Sackson who has sunk his heart and soul into growing the game in WA for over ten years, or Peter Cummins who basically funds jnr RL in WA because the nrl doesn’t? You can say no to expansion outside the east coast without shtting on the game in these areas.

Great game hamstrung for 100 years by sht administrators, Vlandys just the latest in a long line.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

doesn’t matter, why sht in your own bed? How do you think the govt’s of those two states feel after spending millions of $’s on RL? How do the fans of the game feel in those states to be told your a waste of money? Or great people like John Sackson who has sunk his heart and soul into growing the game in WA for over ten years, or Peter Cummins who basically funds jnr RL in WA because the nrl doesn’t? You can say no to expansion outside the east coast without shtting on the game in these areas.

Great game hamstrung for 100 years by sht administrators, Vlandys just the latest in a long line.

FMD you're a whinger.

You do realise Peter Cumins was part of the 95-97 Western Reds venture that was kicked out because it couldn't cover the costs of running a club, right?

"Perth businessman Peter Cumins, who was on the board of the Western Reds during Super League and also behind the push for the West Coast Pirates."

https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/pe...-no-chance-says-v-landys-20200213-p540c0.html​

Maybe that's why the NRL keep knocking back his bid?

I do find it ironic that after all these years, Cumins' Cash Converters is still the only major sponsor for RL in Perth. It says that the business community in Perth weren't interested in the game in 95 and still only care about fumbleball. V'landys is right to stay clear of this place.

 

[Frailty]

FMD you're a whinger.

You do realise Peter Cumins was part of the 95-97 Western Reds venture that was kicked out because it couldn't cover the costs of running a club, right?

"Perth businessman Peter Cumins, who was on the board of the Western Reds during Super League and also behind the push for the West Coast Pirates."

https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/pe...-no-chance-says-v-landys-20200213-p540c0.html​

Maybe that's why the NRL keep knocking back his bid?

I do find it ironic that after all these years, Cumins' Cash Converters is still the only major sponsor for RL in Perth. It says that the business community in Perth weren't interested in the game in 95 and still only care about fumbleball. V'landys is right to stay clear of this place.

Yeah that had nothing to do with the club having to pay for all visiting teams flights to Perth.

 

[Frailty]

He more or less said that as Queensland is one of the game's nurseries. They need to strengthen that State so that things like State of Origin don't wither as he mentioned it as being the code's biggest money earning event.

Yeah because we wouldn't want a period where Queensland don't win 8 in a row. That would be devastating to the game FFS.

I'm not even against a second Brisbane team, but this logic is nonsensical.

 

[Frailty]

Interesting thoughts from his lengthy interview on 100% footy. Summary from what i remember:

- Expansion: Brisbane needs to be next. Just waiting for a solid business case. Thinks having an odd number of teams is okay. The bye is a good break for players and welfare. Not keen on 'rusted on' AFL states.

- Rule changes: Seems to be pushing for less video referee referrals for trys, potentially eliminating it unless players do a captain's challenge (potentially 2 captains challenges for each side). May give referee 1 chance to use video referee for each game.

- Interchanges: Indicated more fatigue is good. May look to reduce further.

- Rule changes: Likes them, not as worried about score blow outs as main goal was to free and speed up the footy.

- Broadcasters:

1. Mentioned main feedback from ch9 and Fox was the need for footy to be less robotic and more free flowing. Hint hint ch9 and Fox may have pushed for the recent rule changes. Ratings had been stagnant or declining. Ratings have since increased and is likely to use that to push for ch9 deal
2. 7 year extension with Fox was key as the main income stream. Allows them to plan ahead and locks in key dividend distributions to clubs. Also allows them to plan for big asset purchases which are not possible without a guaranteed and stable revenue stream. Not looking to invest in stadiums as that asset as it should be non-football assets (doesn't want to end up like AFL whose major asset couldn't generate revenue in COVID)

- Grassroots: Keen to invest more in this but in a smarter way. Also repeated multiple times the need for suburban stadiums and pushing government on this.

Whilst channel nine's ratings were lower, this could be accounted for the increase in Fox Sports viewership due to simulcast. People were choosing to watch on Fox rather than Nine. That is a channel nine issue, not an NRL issue.

On top of that, TV ratings had actually increased. This is just straight up lying.

 

[beave]

Whilst channel nine's ratings were lower, this could be accounted for the increase in Fox Sports viewership due to simulcast. People were choosing to watch on Fox rather than Nine. That is a channel nine issue, not an NRL issue.

On top of that, TV ratings had actually increased. This is just straight up lying.

I thought the whole interview was rubbish tbh. How is the NSW gov going to magically fix up or build this gamut of suburban stadiums when they’ve said they now don’t have the money or now want to spend it in a different manner than stadiums? Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for Brookvales and Leichardts getting some renovations but he is kidding himself that they will be fixed up any time soon.

The whole 17th team thing is a joke as well, everyone hated the bye before the Titans came along. The game in QLD doesn’t need more f**king teams, all 3 are absolute basket cases at the moment, why the f**k would you throw even more teams at this part of the world.Perth is a no brainer for mine, I cannot understand why he continually shits on expansion over there. I don’t see the value adding one team alone, you need an extra game if you want more money from the broadcaster. Which who even knows what the f**k the game is going be getting from broadcasters even without potential expansion as he won’t reveal the deal made with fox or the cuts with the remaining 2.5 years with nine.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah that had nothing to do with the club having to pay for all visiting teams flights to Perth.

Best ignore him, hes Brisbane version of Stallion lol

 

[Chook Norris]

Whilst channel nine's ratings were lower, this could be accounted for the increase in Fox Sports viewership due to simulcast. People were choosing to watch on Fox rather than Nine. That is a channel nine issue, not an NRL issue.

On top of that, TV ratings had actually increased. This is just straight up lying.

Not disputing this but just for ease of reference, is there a link to a neat/concise set of data on this that would dispel that myth?

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah because we wouldn't want a period where Queensland don't win 8 in a row. That would be devastating to the game FFS.

I'm not even against a second Brisbane team, but this logic is nonsensical.

Yep he actually said we should have another Brisbane team so SOO doesn't die. WTF? So much stuff he put out without any of the panel challenging him on it. Oh for some decent journalists.

 

[Perth Red]

I thought the whole interview was rubbish tbh. How is the NSW gov going to magically fix up or build this gamut of suburban stadiums when they’ve said they now don’t have the money or now want to spend it in a different manner than stadiums? Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for Brookvales and Leichardts getting some renovations but he is kidding himself that they will be fixed up any time soon.

The whole 17th team thing is a joke as well, everyone hated the bye before the Titans came along. The game in QLD doesn’t need more f**king teams, all 3 are absolute basket cases at the moment, why the f**k would you throw even more teams at this part of the world.Perth is a no brainer for mine, I cannot understand why he continually shits on expansion over there. I don’t see the value adding one team alone, you need an extra game if you want more money from the broadcaster. Which who even knows what the f**k the game is going be getting from broadcasters even without potential expansion as he won’t reveal the deal made with fox or the cuts with the remaining 2.5 years with nine.

He is from the classic school of Trump, firming his position by appealing to the plebeians.
Suburban grounds, another brisbane club, clubs to get more money, need to fund Jnrs better, hate on AFL states, blame the games woes on people gone before etc etc. Classic populist politics.
He plays the game well, I'll give him that.

Not disputing this but just for ease of reference, is there a link to a neat/concise set of data on this that would dispel that myth?

Without KAYO data it is hard to say. I suspect a lot of the shift from Ch9 is to the cheaper KAYO option. With KAYO subscribers hitting 400k its a fair assumption that there is 100K plus NRL viewers on KAYO most games.

 

[Frailty]

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sp...since-new-six-again-rule-20200622-p5551f.html

The number of high tackles has increased by just over 60%, and the number of charges for dangerous contact with head and neck is up by 65%.

Awesome.

 

[mongoose]

I thought the whole interview was rubbish tbh. How is the NSW gov going to magically fix up or build this gamut of suburban stadiums when they’ve said they now don’t have the money or now want to spend it in a different manner than stadiums? Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for Brookvales and Leichardts getting some renovations but he is kidding himself that they will be fixed up any time soon.

The whole 17th team thing is a joke as well, everyone hated the bye before the Titans came along. The game in QLD doesn’t need more f**king teams, all 3 are absolute basket cases at the moment, why the f**k would you throw even more teams at this part of the world.Perth is a no brainer for mine, I cannot understand why he continually shits on expansion over there. I don’t see the value adding one team alone, you need an extra game if you want more money from the broadcaster. Which who even knows what the f**k the game is going be getting from broadcasters even without potential expansion as he won’t reveal the deal made with fox or the cuts with the remaining 2.5 years with nine.

The 3 QLD teams are performing badly on the field but that should not have any effect on whether another QLD team should be admitted. By that logic we should have put a 2nd team in Melbourne by now cause the Storm are so strong. I can sort of see the origin argument, outside of spine positions QLD seriously lack depth at the moment. There is a thread in the origin forum and NSW have almost 20 centres better than QLD, that's a little concerning. But yeah the anti-Perth sentiment is stupid. Wonder if its got something to do with AFL's expansion costing them so much money.

 

[siv]

Whilst channel nine's ratings were lower, this could be accounted for the increase in Fox Sports viewership due to simulcast. People were choosing to watch on Fox rather than Nine. That is a channel nine issue, not an NRL issue.

On top of that, TV ratings had actually increased. This is just straight up lying.

Its interesting watching the same coverage on both channels fox & 9

Fox highlight when there is a 6 again while 9 ignored the rule change

 

[siv]

Yep he actually said we should have another Brisbane team so SOO doesn't die. WTF? So much stuff he put out without any of the panel challenging him on it. Oh for some decent journalists.

Vladys us old school ARL Super League logic in his thinking or advisors

2nd Brisbane team is quite simply the original ARL plan the keep the Broncos in check just like the Crushers

 

[mave]

doesn’t matter, why sht in your own bed? How do you think the govt’s of those two states feel after spending millions of $’s on RL? How do the fans of the game feel in those states to be told your a waste of money? Or great people like John Sackson who has sunk his heart and soul into growing the game in WA for over ten years, or Peter Cummins who basically funds jnr RL in WA because the nrl doesn’t? You can say no to expansion outside the east coast without shtting on the game in these areas.

Great game hamstrung for 100 years by sht administrators, Vlandys just the latest in a long line.

You seem upset

 

[Dragon Slayer]

Great decision V’landys!

Definitely needed a second Brisbane team to take another wedge out of the Broncos pie.

As for Perth fans don’t be waiting for the NRL to come to your back yard for a long time to come.

Your old fella will look like a sun dried tomato by the time that day comes.

I guess you can f**k off now Perth Red.

lol.

 

[The_Frog]

By that logic we should have put a 2nd team in Melbourne by now cause the Storm are so strong.

If Sydney has trouble syupporting a second AFL team, its a safe bet Melbourne won't be able to support a second NRL team. Brisbane 2 is the correct strategy.