Question on Peter V'landys

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Didn't the Reds have to foot the bill for all visiting teams 2 grades plus accomodation?

Yes, but clubs spend far more than that these days on training facilities, medical staff, analyists and God knows what to keep one step ahead of their competitors. Any team in Perth will need to be successful on the field, just like Melbourne, in order to drum up support and keep it in a city that is fumbleball mad and up against 2 AwFuL clubs that will have the local media on their side.

 

[Steel Saints]

If a second Brisbane team is introduced in 2022, then I like to see a Perth team come in five years later in 2027. Just follow recent history. Back in 2002, Souths returned, and five years later in 2007, the Titans became 16th. During a five period in the 2000's, it was a 15 team comp. The NRL didn't collapse.

If you have two teams introduced in a staggered fashion over a five year period, then you won't have the pressure of finding 50-60 players in a short space of time.

As for PVL, I can't see him sticking around until 2027. Most likely a new chairperson will come in and he or she will have their own ideas.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Yeah, it's probably one reason the WARL has really developed the junior system, and they have had teams in the Harold Matts and SG Ball Competitions.

It also had a very supportive government, which would have been extremely helpful in continue to develop these.

The fact is PVL is playing a 'safe' expansion option. There isn't as much risk, but the reward isn't that great either. It's a simple win.

Coming out of COVID, maybe it is the time to do this option. However, I think the complete dismissal of a Perth bid is completely ill-thought out.

That's because it's the broadcasters who want it, V'landys is just the figurehead.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Millions do. Hundreds of millions do.

I recommend they the do to.

21 grow up, take the opportunity.

Perth and Brisbane 2 are who be my next two teams.

I worry that Perth has few quality schools teams, and Brisbane 2 would would have half Melbourne juniors.

Melbourne don't really have any local born juniors. Only 3 people who played in the VRL junior system have progressed to the NRL through the Storm.

A Brisbane team is entitled to take whatever junior comes through the local Brisbane competiton. Brisbane does not owe parasite Melbourne anything and Melbourne shouldn't be stealing from another state's catchment. If the Storm go under it will be due to their greedy owners never growing the game at the grassroots level in Melbourne and taking the easy option of stealing from those who do. Sports capital of the world in we always hear, except it cannot produce a junior RL player.

 

[LeagueXIII]

What 21 year old will move across the country by themselves. Throw in an injury or 2 and the mental space

One looking for an opportunity. Why would they move to Melbourne, it's cold and the beaches are crap.

 

[LeagueXIII]

While it's a while ago, I'm pretty sure it wasn't an issue in their time with SL and was a major reason they defected over. It was when it all came back to the ARL that they got absolutely pumped on this.

As far as 2 AFL teams now instead of 1 - I don't see that as an issue at all. There is a big appetite for League there, and many I know who live there say they'd love a local team. Perth is like Adelaide in that while they have their AFL teams - they will back any team that plays from their town. I've got absolutely no doubt that an NRL team from either/both these cities would get fans to the games in droves. But both have things going against them. Perth > Distance, Adelaide > Junior set up (pretty much nothing).

More about getting the corporate dollar, tough ask. Also they would be up against an AFL game every weekend they played at home though they could play on a different day.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Yes, but clubs spend far more than that these days on training facilities, medical staff, analyists and God knows what to keep one step ahead of their competitors. Any team in Perth will need to be successful on the field, just like Melbourne, in order to drum up support and keep it in a city that is fumbleball mad and up against 2 AwFuL clubs that will have the local media on their side.

The planning today would be way more professional and supportive today as opposed to the mid 90's.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It was, hamdicapped them from the start.

The game was on the up there at the time.

Given now they have a great rectangular stadium, grant from the league covers salary cap, running of clubs nowadays is way more professional they would be in a better position. However there are now 2 AFL teams in Perth rather then one that were there in 1995.

It was, hamdicapped them from the start.

The game was on the up there at the time.

Given now they have a great rectangular stadium, grant from the league covers salary cap, running of clubs nowadays is way more professional they would be in a better position. However there are now 2 AFL teams in Perth rather then one that were there in 1995.

You're looking back at history with rose coloured glasses. When the Reds were admittted it was on the back of large crowds, in excess of 20,000, going to the WACA to see NSWRL Premiership games. When the Reds entered the ARL they got 24,000 to some games at the WACA.

In 1996 the average for the Reds dropped to 8,200.

NRL Premiership games have been taken to the rectangular Perth Oval. The last six games that were played at that ground in 2014, 2016 and 2017 saw a sharp decline in attendances.

6,258 01-Jul-2017
11,433 21-May-2017
11,109 16-Jul-2016
13,142 05-Jun-2016
20,267 07-Jun-2014
12,014 29-Mar-2014

https://afltables.com/rl/venues/perth_o_gm.html

This shows interest in the game over there has dropped significantly. The Nines this year was a failure.

 

[LeagueXIII]

If a second Brisbane team is introduced in 2022, then I like to see a Perth team come in five years later in 2027. Just follow recent history. Back in 2002, Souths returned, and five years later in 2007, the Titans became 16th. During a five period in the 2000's, it was a 15 team comp. The NRL didn't collapse.

If you have two teams introduced in a staggered fashion over a five year period, then you won't have the pressure of finding 50-60 players in a short space of time.

As for PVL, I can't see him sticking around until 2027. Most likely a new chairperson will come in and he or she will have their own ideas.

Agreed, probably an 18th team will come in 2027 when the broadcast deal will be up again.

Also I don't think V'landys will be around then he would have helped to set up the broadcasters oops I mean the game so will take up his new job as CEO of News Corp!!!

 

[LeagueXIII]

You're looking back at history with rose coloured glasses. When the Reds were admittted it was on the back of large crowds, in excess of 20,000, going to the WACA to see NSWRL Premiership games. When the Reds entered the ARL they got 24,000 to some games at the WACA.

In 1996 the average for the Reds dropped to 8,200.

NRL Premiership games have been taken to the rectangular Perth Oval. The last four games that were played at that ground in 2016 and 2017 saw a sharp decline in attendances. This shows interest in the game over there has dropped significantly. The Nines this year was a failure.

Melbourne's crowds were about the same for a number of years 8500-12,000 until they moved into their new stadium. Also they won a premiership, had star players, and regularly made the finals.

They were given a chance and assistance to get it right.

 

[Mr Angry]

Agreed, probably an 18th team will come in 2027 when the broadcast deal will be up again.

Also I don't think V'landys will be around then he would have helped to set up the broadcasters oops I mean the game so will take up his new job as CEO of News Corp!!!

2027 Ardern UN run.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The planning today would be way more professional and supportive today as opposed to the mid 90's.

The bloke behind the current bid, Peter Cumins, was part of the Western Reds team that went bust in 1997. He is the deputy at Cash Converters. After alll these years, lowly Cash Converters is the only mob interested in bankrolling RL in Perth. Rhey were the sponsors in 1995.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Melbourne's crowds were about the same for a number of years 8500-12,000 until they moved into their new stadium. Also they won a premiership, had star players, and regularly made the finals.

They were given a chance and assistance to get it right.

Their current crowds are not that great when compared to what the Melbourne Victory soccer club get. Storm have been far more successful than the Victory and there's now 2 other soccer clubs in Melbourne. We'll see how well supported Melbourne are when they spend 4 or 5 years at the foot of the ladder.

 

[jim_57]

The bloke behind the current bid, Peter Cumins, was part of the Western Reds team that went bust in 1997. He is the deputy at Cash Converters. After alll these years, lowly Cash Converters is the only mob interested in bankrolling RL in Perth. Rhey were the sponsors in 1995.

Where is the value is financing or sponsoring a team that doesn't exist yet? Companies aren't going to throw NRL money at SG Ball in the hopes that maybe one day the NRL will bother expanding.

1997 was 23 years ago, things may have changed since then. If not we shouldn't consider a 2nd Brisbane team either because Crushers.

 

[jim_57]

You're looking back at history with rose coloured glasses. When the Reds were admittted it was on the back of large crowds, in excess of 20,000, going to the WACA to see NSWRL Premiership games. When the Reds entered the ARL they got 24,000 to some games at the WACA.

In 1996 the average for the Reds dropped to 8,200.

NRL Premiership games have been taken to the rectangular Perth Oval. The last six games that were played at that ground in 2014, 2016 and 2017 saw a sharp decline in attendances.

6,258 01-Jul-2017
11,433 21-May-2017
11,109 16-Jul-2016
13,142 05-Jun-2016
20,267 07-Jun-2014
12,014 29-Mar-2014

https://afltables.com/rl/venues/perth_o_gm.html

This shows interest in the game over there has dropped significantly. The Nines this year was a failure.

Where's the 39k from 2018? Even split over 2 games that doesn't really support your theory. Why does only the Rectangular stadium count? It was 4 months after Optus opened so I doubt that many turned out for the novelty factor.

 

[Perth Red]

Next year will have a bye despite an even number. There isn’t 60 odd quality extra players to fill 2 teams especially losing lower grades this year. I took it as him trying to sell that fact

Well in what way can GC be seen as a success?

I menat that success, or failure, isn’t just down to player recruitment. GC have signed some big names and decent players but had no success. Storm on the other hand rarely sign big names but have had huge success.

 

[Perth Red]

Didn't the Reds have to foot the bill for all visiting teams 2 grades plus accomodation?

the big problem was the late adding of an extra level, it wasn’t in the business plan and sent the club into a financial spin that news ltd took advantage of. I heard the board were split 50-50 on letti g news ltd take over and the game here was torn apart and has still not recovered. We went from 10,000 players to less than 1500 in a few years! Back up to around 3500 but a long way to claw back the ground lost, Travel back in mid 90’s was ridiculously expensive compared to today and that extra 20 odd players every week was a killer.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Crowds dropped everywhere due to Super League even the Broncos only attracted 25,000 for a semi against Parra at Suncorp whereas the year before they drew 40,000 v Norths.

Infact the Broncos attracted an average of 36,000 in 1995 finishing 3rd, in 1996 they had dropped to 23,700 and they finished 2nd on the ladder.

The reds and rams were left to rot on the vine in 1998 by the ARL. Binned straight into the too hard basket before giving them both a realistic chance to succeed. Was a travesty in many ways.

Admittedly at the time all I cared about was the Dragons survival. But with the benefit of hindsight it was an absolute golden opportunity to invest and grow these pioneer areas. Although the management of the day weren’t the kind of people who could carry forward on such an endeavour, they were too busy mopping up the blood.

 

[Perth Red]

Crowds dropped everywhere due to Super League even the Broncos only attracted 25,000 for a semi against Parra at Suncorp whereas the year before they drew 40,000 v Norths.

Infact the Broncos attracted an average of 36,000 in 1995 finishing 3rd, in 1996 they had dropped to 23,700 and they finished 2nd on the ladder.

reds never finished bottom of the attendance table in any year they played.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

reds never finished bottom of the attendance table in any year they played.

One of the better performed of all clubs from memory. And the rams in their first year were around 6/7th of all clubs average attendance across both SL and ARL comps. But come 1998 and with inevitably they were gonna get cut... it all went downhill.