Rd16: Parra v Penrith GAME DAY THREAD @ Bluebet Stadium 2/7/21

[Chipmunk]

True we need a better winger but he is an improvement on Fergo.

I disagree.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Adam Reynolds would have nailed that kick easily.

Mitch just needs to spend the extra hour each night practising at the local oval.

break into the switch box like we used to do to keep the lights on until he’s finished. But you have have to remember to turn them off or the jig is up due to neighbours.

 

[King-Gutho94]

That pass cost that nothing, Burton hit the post with that attempt, i'd argue the 45m attempted field goal with about 2mins left which led to a 7 tackle set hurt us more. It was a low % play and yet more proof when the heat is on Moses buckles. Which is as shame because his kicking game up till that point was one of the main reasons we were still in the game.

Yep i reckon he should have spiral bomb at naden or staines and see if they could force an error. They would have got one more set anyway.

 

[Chipmunk]

Tries off kicks are still worth 4 points right?
And if you have the ability to (1) kick to a precise location (2) have the chasers there to pressure the catcher (3) have the skill to get the ball back and score from it, isn't that a valid form of attack?

Or should we just ignore that aspect of the game? Rep selectors always look for halves with a good attacking kicking game, why is that?

You need more than just the one trick though. You need an all round balance to create opportunities in different ways. I'm sure most of the other teams in the Top 6 could score more tries the same way if they had to, but alas their attack is more balanced and they don't have to.

Being able to score tries from kicks is an asset, but why can't we come up with other ways? I'd be surprised if the only thing we practiced at training in attack was scoring from kicks, but it is not showing on the field. You can call every play we do before it happens it is that predictable. We're relying on individual brilliance to do it all, rather than any kind of team cohesion.

 

[hineyrulz]

Tries off kicks are still worth 4 points right?
And if you have the ability to (1) kick to a precise location (2) have the chasers there to pressure the catcher (3) have the skill to get the ball back and score from it, isn't that a valid form of attack?

Or should we just ignore that aspect of the game? Rep selectors always look for halves with a good attacking kicking game, why is that?

Sure they do but questions have to be asked when he has 18 try assists off kicks and about 2 from a pass??? In the big games the top sides clean up those kicks so much better they also had their fullback out but you can tell in the presser Cleary wasn't happy that they weren't and he said as much.

Does Moses have the moneyball to win us a comp, i think it's a fair question especially when it looks like our 6 is told not to pass. You say i'm ignoring the kicking aspect of the game but are you seriously saying there is nothing wrong with our non existent anemic attack.

 

[strider]

f**k me parra fans can go to water

1pt loss to a team thats only lost about 4 games in 2 years .... fmd

 

[Gronk]

You say i'm ignoring the kicking aspect of the game but are you seriously saying there is nothing wrong with our non existent anemic attack.

FFS when Storm were scoring eleventy tries a game off Cronk kicks, the guy was a genius. Or JT tries off kicks when he/Cows were on fire.

Nek minute it’s the Eels and we suck.

 

[Gronk]

f**k me parra fans can go to water

1pt loss to a team thats only lost about 4 games in 2 years .... fmd

Doing my head in. I’m gunna mow the lawns.

 

[lingard]

Why are we second tier though???? I think we have enough talent to challenge the top sides our pack should keep us in most games. Our boring predictable style of football is what kills us the most. Watching us try and put on a backline play is like watching old people f**k but only more gross.

I agree - except for the old people f@cking. I reckon that's cool.

 

[hineyrulz]

FFS when Storm were scoring eleventy tries a game off Cronk kicks, the guy was a genius. Or JT tries off kicks when he/Cows were on fire.

Nek minute it’s the Eels and we suck.

These were champion halves in teams that continually were top 4 and won comps???? LOL great comparison. He is 18 from kicks and about 2 from the pass, what % where Cronks or JT's??? I bet they weren't even close. How hard is it too admit besides tries from kicks our attack is pretty f**king poor.

 

[Angry_eel]

This kicks thing is really stupid. Who cares? We're scoring tries.

 

[hineyrulz]

f**k me parra fans can go to water

Just like our team, talk about a perfect match.

 

[hineyrulz]

This kicks thing is really stupid. Who cares? We're scoring tries.

How many do we score against the top sides???

 

[lingard]

It's a combination of some stale coaching methods and the continual overrating of our players. Think about it the only player that would definitely make that Panthers side from our team is Gutherson.

I don't think that's true. Moses would probably make that side (as five-eight); also, Matterson, Lane, Mahony, Marata, Papalii, even Kaufusi and Opacec would probably make it. We definitely have a good enough team to make a grand final. Our coach has been here long enough. It took him six years or more to work out how to shore up our left edge defensive failings; it took him around six years to gather together a roster of this quality and balance (yes, I know that there have been a lot of interruptions, so I give him a lot of slack with that); but most importantly, now that he has a good enough roster to win a premiership, I don't think he knows how to use it - particularly in attack. For a team with such attacking talent in the forwards, why do we persist with this robotic, one-out, power game, and then tries off kicks?

 

[Eelogical]

f**k me parra fans can go to water

1pt loss to a team thats only lost about 4 games in 2 years .... fmd

It's not good enough, mate.

 

[hineyrulz]

Doing my head in. I’m gunna mow the lawns.

Hope you are wearing a mask merkin, and that better an electric mower think of your carbon footprint.

 

[lingard]

We were up against Souths with Takairangi and Dunster in the backline ffs. The week before we had f**ken Andrew Davey defending at left half and Niukore at centre for 70 minutes. If we played a top side with similar nuffies defending in key positions we probably would've won. It comes down to luck on the day.

Niukore at centre was a nuffie?

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Just like our team, talk about a perfect match.

OK. I don't think Dexter was a real robot.

 

[emjaycee]

Sure they do but questions have to be asked when he has 18 try assists off kicks and about 2 from a pass??? In the big games the top sides clean up those kicks so much better they also had their fullback out but you can tell in the presser Cleary wasn't happy that they weren't and he said as much.

Does Moses have the moneyball to win us a comp, i think it's a fair question especially when it looks like our 6 is told not to pass. You say i'm ignoring the kicking aspect of the game but are you seriously saying there is nothing wrong with our non existent anemic attack.

You need more than just the one trick though. You need an all round balance to create opportunities in different ways. I'm sure most of the other teams in the Top 6 could score more tries the same way if they had to, but alas their attack is more balanced and they don't have to.

Being able to score tries from kicks is an asset, but why can't we come up with other ways? I'd be surprised if the only thing we practiced at training in attack was scoring from kicks, but it is not showing on the field. You can call every play we do before it happens it is that predictable. We're relying on individual brilliance to do it all, rather than any kind of team cohesion.

If we score 30% of our tries off kicks, that means we score 70% of them some other way.

Tries from kicks	24 (30%)
Tries by Sivo	15 (19%)
Tries by middle forwards (incl. dummy half)	14 (18%)
Tries by spine (exc. dummy half)	17 (22%)
Other ways that I cant be bothered working out	9 (11%)
TOTAL:	79 (100%)

Seems we have a few different and balanced ways to score tries IMHO.

EDIT: I am assuming that Sivo, our middle forwards and our spine aren't scoring directly off kicks. If they are, then of course the "Other" increases accordingly which makes it even more balanced.

 

[hineyrulz]

OK. I don't think Dexter was a real robot.

Pou could be this forums Dexter with his expert analysis.


Hindy111 has to be our Greg Evans.