Rd8: 8pm EELS v Broncos GAME DAY THREAD @ TIO Stadium - Darwin 21/4/23

[DaveMc]

And instead of the extra attempted tackles Hodgson is falling off, Hands is doing nothing. How is that any more useful than a missed tackle?

What? He is doing his job by making his tackles without missing many. He’s also not f**king the defensive line and creating yawning gaps by missing / not sticking.

Let’s just be real about it, Pou. Do you think Hodgson is performing well?

 

[IFR33K]

Ask and yee shall receive:

Missed tackles in games they both played and minutes played:

Hodgson - 21 MT / 182 Mins
Hands - 3 MT / 141 Mins

Total missed tackles for the season and minutes played:

Hodgson - 35 MT / 426 Mins
Hands - 6 MT / 221 Mins

nothing to say, just giving this a free bump so our resident stats man can see it again.

 

[Rocket man]

Except Hands is making fewer tackles per minute, and attempting even fewer, so it's not the same workload. He is far more passive.

Maybe teams are targeting ho

And instead of the extra attempted tackles Hodgson is falling off, Hands is doing nothing. How is that any more useful than a missed tackle?

Guys.
I think Pou has insomnia so uses his sleep time to wind the forum up!

 

[Happy MEel]

And instead of the extra attempted tackles Hodgson is falling off, Hands is doing nothing. How is that any more useful than a missed tackle?

Or perhaps Hodgson is getting targeted even more so than other hookers due to the fact that he can’t tackle and even when he does he doesn’t get into a good marker position leaving easy metres on the next tackle. Oppositions do their due diligence. I’d rather Hodgson “does nothing” and spreads those missed tackles across other middles who can defend.

 

[hineyrulz]

Or perhaps Hodgson is getting targeted even more so than other hookers due to the fact that he can’t tackle and even when he does he doesn’t get into a good marker position leaving easy metres on the next tackle. Oppositions do their due diligence. I’d rather Hodgson “does nothing” and spreads those missed tackles across other middles who can defend.

He's cost us tries i think in every single game he's played, it's embarrassing it's time for the white sheet and shot gun.

 

[Happy MEel]

Yes, by this metric, Mahoney was Canterbury’s best last week against us. By this logic, teams running a train at a defensive weakness = target player demonstrating they are a better defender because they’re busier, even when missing a load of tackles.

Pou, you’re a good guy and fun to engage with, but even for your standards, this is dumb as shit.

Spot on Dave. It’s laughable the rationale he’s coming up with here.

You just wait until BA finally bites the bullet and drops Hodgson. He’ll come in here and tell us all he “told you so” and it was obvious Hodgson had to be dropped and BA has done it at the precisely correct time.

It will also just be for match fitness because Pou has told us time and time again, players clearly on top 13 money don’t play NSW Cup. However Waqa says hi and debunks that ridiculous theory.

 

[Happy MEel]

He's cost us tries i think in every single game he's played, it's embarrassing it's time for the white sheet and shot gun.

 

[DaveMc]

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[eel01s]

You can't win games giving away cheap tries (Russell dropping simple catch and Gutho not batting ball over dead ball line).

Hodgson needs to be put to pasture. Admit he is past it and advise him not to come back as a player next season.

Fire Antonelli and get someone who can teach us to tackle and put pressure on kickers.

 

[DaveMc]

Spot on Dave. It’s laughable the rationale he’s coming up with here.

You just wait until BA finally bites the bullet and drops Hodgson. He’ll come in here and tell us all he “told you so” and it was obvious Hodgson had to be dropped and BA has done it at the precisely correct time.

It will also just be for match fitness because Pou has told us time and time again, players clearly on top 13 money don’t play NSW Cup. However Waqa says hi and debunks that ridiculous theory.

The other thing to add is that this metric is probably wrong anyway. While Hands is apparently attempting a fraction fewer tackles than Hodgson on a minutes played basis, the only 80 minute game he’s played so far was the one against Canterbury last week, in which we absolutely dominated possession.

A more meaningful metric would be to compare Hodgson and Hands for number of tackle attempts during team time in defence. My gut feeling is that Hands would come out very close to, if not ahead of, Hodgson in terms of defensive involvement on that metric, without nearly as many defensive errors.

 

[yy_cheng]

I do miss ray effen stone

 

[King-Gutho94]

Dylan brown where he is at atm. Certainly doesn't seem to be on the field.

He re-signed in the off season but is now struggling big time to impact any match similar to 2 years ago.

Taupau's hit on him was symbolic of his form so far this year. I wouldn't say he doesn't look interested but something has gone amiss with him this year.

Lane being out was used as an excuse for first 5 weeks but 3 games on nothing has really changed.

 

[Happy MEel]

The other thing to add is that this metric is probably wrong anyway. While Hands is apparently attempting a fraction fewer tackles than Hodgson on a minutes played basis, the only 80 minute game he’s played so far was the one against Canterbury last week, in which we absolutely dominated possession.

A more meaningful metric would be to compare Hodgson and Hands for number of tackle attempts during team time in defence. My gut feeling is that Hands would come out very close to, if not ahead of, Hodgson in terms of defensive involvement on that metric, without nearly as many defensive errors.

Yep, Good point.

 

[King-Gutho94]

As i said last night it might be time for club management to look around and see what else is available if they want to sell a home game.

Darwin and NT has been good for us for a decade but it might be time for a change if we lose again next year. Especially as the NRL seems insistent on us playing a QLD team up there.

Contract ends in 2025 so 2 more seasons but no need to be extending it if we start losing there regularly.

 

[Happy MEel]

Dylan brown where he is at atm. Certainly doesn't seem to be on the field.

He re-signed in the off season but is now struggling big time to impact any match similar to 2 years ago.

Taupau's hit on him was symbolic of his form so far this year. I wouldn't say he doesn't look interested but something has gone amiss with him this year.

Lane being out was used as an excuse for first 5 weeks but 3 games on nothing has really changed.

Agreed. I think he’s too focused on our structure that he’s forgotten how to play eyes up footy. I reckon Barrett has had an impact on this. Similar to Moses, Drown needs to have a run first mentality. The structure can come after that.

 

[DaveMc]

Dylan brown where he is at atm. Certainly doesn't seem to be on the field.

He re-signed in the off season but is now struggling big time to impact any match similar to 2 years ago.

Taupau's hit on him was symbolic of his form so far this year. I wouldn't say he doesn't look interested but something has gone amiss with him this year.

Lane being out was used as an excuse for first 5 weeks but 3 games on nothing has really changed.

The Brown and Lane combo hasn’t clicked at all so far. Still early days, but I agree, Dylan is just not looking dangerous for the most part. I also don’t think it’s necessarily a “he’s not looking interested” thing, it just seems that he’s off the pace and his execution and attention to detail hasn’t been where it needs to.

 

[DaveMc]

Agreed. I think he’s too focused on our structure that he’s forgotten how to play eyes up footy. I reckon Barrett has had an impact on this. Similar to Moses, Drown needs to have a run first mentality. The structure can come after that.

They looked like they stuck to the structure with those multiple sets on the Brisbane goal line at the end of the first half, and didn’t look like breaking the line. When they went a bit more off the cuff in the second half they looked way more dangerous.

 

[Happy MEel]

They looked like they stuck to the structure with those multiple sets on the Brisbane goal line at the end of the first half, and didn’t look like breaking the line. When they went a bit more off the cuff in the second half they looked way more dangerous.

Yep. That’s when Moses started running the ball and created half chances, with players backing up. That eyes up footy should take up at least two plays when we’re attacking the opposition line, with perhaps a structured play off the back of it if we can get a quick play the ball in decent position. Our sets are structured as one out to get in the middle of the field, short crash ball, shift off a slow play the ball, settler to bring it back in the middle of the field, kick. It is so easy to defend.

 

[Jake the snake]

The sad thing about yesterdays game is that we only started to play when the game was done. So what were our tactics for the first 40 mins? It looked like we had no game plan. Devoid of any skill or just anything.

Our coach must of been kissed on the pecker because the there no way he’s be employed at any other club as head coach with his lack
Of coaching ability. Let alone for 10 years and nothing to show for it. He has no idea. He has no idea how to motivate a team. He has no game plan. Our attack is just disjointed and we are talking about players who have played together for several years now. Our defence is soft. And he’s made terrible signings over the years, the last being Hodgson the dunce.

We need Flanagan as coach a proven winner.

 

[Legal Eel]

Guys.
I think Pou has insomnia so uses his sleep time to wind the forum up!

This is pretty spot on.

This guy is not a Parra fan, he is a person who uses this forum as some kind of therapy.

He just picks a contrarian position and argues it for kicks....it makes him feel smarter than "the herd" and clearly boosts his self-esteem.

No-one could seriously argue that Hodgson deserves to retain his spot in first grade after the diabolical performance tonight.

People are arguing metrics but I think it is irrelevant - everything you needed to know was in the lead up to the Reynolds try. He was steamrolled contemptuously by Cobbo and conceded the middle haplessly. He then made possibly the worst arm grab tackle I have ever seen (from a professional footballer) on Ezra Mam (not a beast middle, but Ezra Mam), which allowed the try to happen.

Pre-empting his defenders, if the arm grab was a strip then that is even worse, because that shows a complete inability to do what is required in the middle at that moment - and definitely means that he is not a "leader" as claimed.

The worst part of that moment is that we had jagged back some momentum prior to that set of six, but the meek nature of that defensive set was a fatal blow from which we never fully recovered.