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Rd8: Eels v Cowboys GAME DAY THREAD in Darwin 30/4/22

Angry_eel

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We had Will Smith, so didn't need Salmon.
Apples and Oranges. Will Smith was a life long reserve grader who came into the side and did a decent job. Salmon was a young rookie and would only get better with the right training. I am convinced he was let go to make way for Jake.
 

hineyrulz

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The decks were cleared for Super Jakey!!!

“BuT hE’s OnLy GeTtInG a Go NoW cAuSe InJuRiE’s”
 

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Apples and Oranges. Will Smith was a life long reserve grader who came into the side and did a decent job. Salmon was a young rookie and would only get better with the right training. I am convinced he was let go to make way for Jake.
So Salmon should have played those 7 games as 6 or 7 on 2021 when Moses and Dylan were out ?

I don't recall Salmon's 2019 being all that flash. He started as 5/8 7 times when Dylan had that back stress fracture and was given bench starts 5 times. Your memory might be better than mine.


23/04/2019

How was it that Salmon was talked about as a junior but doesn't have ball playing ability? Did he play lower grades at Centre?
 

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Apples and Oranges. Will Smith was a life long reserve grader who came into the side and did a decent job. Salmon was a young rookie and would only get better with the right training. I am convinced he was let go to make way for Jake.
Id have Jake over Smith every day of the week. Smith had a knack of losing us games.
I was a Salmon fan. No way was he given a fair shot. There was something fishy there (sorry). I remember he trained one off season in the centers and still never got a shot when we were down on troups. He was also supposedly pushing Gutho in the fitness stakes that pre season but that wasnt enough on that occasion.
Others halfs that havent really seen clear air at our Eels are Field, Humble and the ex Tits halfback now injured at Canberra. Sorry forgot his name.
BA obviously has a certain style of half he prefers.
 

hineyrulz

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Salmon got the bullet after the Magic round massacre, the coach didn’t he got a contract extension instead lol.
 
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Id have Jake over Smith every day of the week. Smith had a knack of losing us games.
I was a Salmon fan. No way was he given a fair shot. There was something fishy there (sorry). I remember he trained one off season in the centers and still never got a shot when we were down on troups. He was also supposedly pushing Gutho in the fitness stakes that pre season but that wasnt enough on that occasion.
Others halfs that havent really seen clear air at our Eels are Field, Humble and the ex Tits halfback now injured at Canberra. Sorry forgot his name.
BA obviously has a certain style of half he prefers.
Fogarty. Seems like a good player to me.
 

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Salmon got the bullet after the Magic round massacre, the coach didn’t he got a contract extension instead lol.
Revisionism. Salmon played first grade until Brown came back and then got a bench gig. He was given heaps of chances to play for a contract.

This is you during those 12 weeks.

f**k!!


Gee we really need another half Salmon isn’t up to it against the better sides.
Salmon is average at best.
Salmon is not a 6.
 

hineyrulz

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Revisionism. Salmon played first grade until Brown came back and then got a bench gig. He was given heaps of chances to play for a contract.

This is you during those 12 weeks.
What did I say that was wrong?? He got dropped after Magic round that’s a fact. And he wasn’t a 6. Looks a decent 14 at riff these days.
 

Angry_eel

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Revisionism. Salmon played first grade until Brown came back and then got a bench gig. He was given heaps of chances to play for a contract.

This is you during those 12 weeks.
Salmon was average(in the limited time he was given), so is Jarthur(in the limited time he's been playing). The net result at this point is zero.
 

hineyrulz

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One of your best @hineyrulz you flip flopping muppet.
Flip flopper?? I was proven correct, he wasn’t a 6. In the 2020 off season we had him training in the centres are the coaching staff flip floppers as well for playing him @ 6 and then tried to turn him into a centre???


And he was dropped after Magic round while super coach got extended lol.
 

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Flip flopper?? I was proven correct, he wasn’t a 6. In the 2020 off season we had him training in the centres are the coaching staff flip floppers as well for playing him @ 6 and then tried to turn him into a centre???


And he was dropped after Magic round while super coach got extended lol.
Wasn't Will Smith (who then replaced him at 6) also injured prior to magic round? I seem to recall a broken hand???
So Salmon was probably 3rd string half not necessarily dropped but replaced by a better(?) option when available? (tho he did have a magical shocker in magic round)
 

hineyrulz

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Wasn't Will Smith (who then replaced him at 6) also injured prior to magic round? I seem to recall a broken hand???
So Salmon was probably 3rd string half not necessarily dropped but replaced by a better(?) option when available? (tho he did have a magical shocker in magic round)
I can’t remember I thought Will broke his hand last year?? It’s all fuzzy it’s hard supporting this team and being a raging alcoholic.
 

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I can’t remember I thought Will broke his hand last year?? It’s all fuzzy it’s hard supporting this team and being a raging alcoholic.
you might be right .... it could be last year or 2020 i am thinking of with the hand
 

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What about the clubs who have an abundance of resources that haven’t won multiple premierships?
The only one in the NRL is Brisbane, and how do we even know they still have the resources they had even five years ago? This could be the new normal for them.
All sporting competitions have teams that have sustained levels of excellence and the NRL is no different. It’s not necessarily strongly related to how well resourced they are.
It absolutely is. Success doesn’t come by accident, it requires manpower (human resources, not the strippers) and good people cost more money than average ones. And if you consider humans doing it cheaply or free, because they love the club then that is also a fundamental strength of the club. Parramatta aren’t going to poach Nick Politis from the Roosters. He is part of their fundamental strength.
Apart from Melbourne all those clubs you mentioned have gone through lean periods like we have as well.
Two losing grand finals in 36 years isn’t a ‘lean period’, it is a sign of fundamental weakness in the organisation. How many other clubs have been through this recently?
It’s all about putting proper systems and place and making good decisions in order to achieve success.
An information free statement if there ever was one. You may as well have said winning requires scoring more points than the opposition. Have you ever actually been involved in “putting proper systems in place”? It doesn’t take magic, it takes money. The people required to develop and implement these systems don’t work for free. The best ones are on big money, and in a rugby league context they would already be working for Uncle Nick or Holding M.S. Australia. We are not talking about coaches, we are talking about the people who choose the people who hire and fire coaches, along with everyone else who makes the NRL team win or lose.
Nearly all clubs make poor decisions at some stage which leads to having lean periods. I would say one of the reasons for our lack of success is related to coaching and I hope the current coaching staff makes the necessary adjustments.

You don’t think asking your players to continually barge their way over instead of running good lines and creating overlaps is going to lead to you struggling to score points and take a toll on your players if it’s done over an extended period?
No I don’t. Defence causes fatigue, far more than attack. It’s why we try to reduce errors and control possession. Ideally we also get repeat sets. In any set of six you’re only going to have at most six players tackled with the ball, no matter what style of play you’re using. And after the game is over there’s about 10000 minutes to recover for the next game.
How do you explain our mid season fade outs over the last couple of seasons
If it was about fatigue it would be late season fade outs. We wouldn’t recover in time for the finals like we did last year.
and our struggles in the 20m zone?
I’m not the only one saying this. Commentators like Sterlo and Fittler have also acknowledged that we have had to work harder to get over the stripe compared to other teams.
We don’t have as many players with the individual ability to make defenders miss, meaning we need more tackles, on average, to force enough consecutive defensive mistakes for a try to occur.
 

Poupou Escobar

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I can understand BA playing JA in the halves what I don't get is why if was the guy who touched the ball more than Moses when in attack..

Moses is on close enough to a million he should touch the ball 70+ times a game..
The generally play left/right, so the guy touching the ball more is the one on the side of the opposition we’re targeting.
 

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Salmon is used at Penrith as a 2nd rower. He is a handy utility off the bench but most the fans dislike his spot in the 17.
 

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