Rock is dead

[salivor]

I am surprised you like Lateralus but not 10000 days.. I find them to be very similar albums.

I had the opposite with 10000 days.. I was forcing myself to stop listening to it so i could have a listen to the older stuff. I love undertow but am mostly still prefering to put 10000 days on.

Lateralus is much more consistant and no way near as stop start as 10,000 days though it does tail off in to filler for the last couple of tracks. With 10,000 days I'm continually having to skip filler tracks while with Lateralus I can put it on and hear The Grudge, The Patient, Schism, Parabola, Ticks and Leeches and Lateralus all in a row, it's a far more complete album.

 

[salivor]

I love both 10,000 Days and Year Zero.

I've actually been listening to Year Zero more than The Downward Spiral lately and I've been on a Nine Inch Nails binge since I saw them in Brisbane three weeks ago (Amazing show by the way).

With Teeth was the writing on the wall that Reznor had gone sour but Year Zero is a shocker. You know things aren't going to be pretty when Survivalism is released as the hit track off the album. He's turned to nothing by techno rubbish, give me the days of the Downward Spirl and The Fragile and that gritty layer upon layer of sound. That was art where every listen through The Fragile in particular I hear something new, doesn't happen with Year Zero, you'll just hear the boring doof doof beat every time.

As for his live shows, just look at the DVD's, there's no comparrison between "and all that could've been" and "Beside you in time", Trent out of his mind on drugs is on another planet compared to buffed up sober Trent.

 

[hineyrulz]

Have to agree Ron, rock is dead. Marilyn Manson was right.

 

[elyod138]

With Teeth was the writing on the wall that Reznor had gone sour but Year Zero is a shocker. You know things aren't going to be pretty when Survivalism is released as the hit track off the album. He's turned to nothing by techno rubbish, give me the days of the Downward Spirl and The Fragile and that gritty layer upon layer of sound. That was art where every listen through The Fragile in particular I hear something new, doesn't happen with Year Zero, you'll just hear the boring doof doof beat every time.

As for his live shows, just look at the DVD's, there's no comparrison between "and all that could've been" and "Beside you in time", Trent out of his mind on drugs is on another planet compared to buffed up sober Trent.

Year Zero is a concept album, the reason it sounds so electronic is because it was an experiment and Trent wanted to fit the sound in with the concept (it's 15 years in the future, we have reached the peak of technology and the end of the world is near blah blah blah). Trent has said part two of year zero will have a completeley different sound(there are some rumours that it will be similar to the Still disc of And All that Could Have Been).

I suggest you atleast give it another chance, the general consensus among fans is that it is some of his best work and it rivals his earlier albums (on the first listen I thought 'meh' but after listening to it more it has really grown on me, and the layers upon layers of sound that you mention are on The Fragile (my favourite album) are present here, they just aren't as organic sounding).

With Teeth was a transition period and the live shows from that era show that, Trent was still putting on the 'troubled' act but it didn't really feel sincere because he is obviously past that period in his life and he's happy now. Have a look at some recent live shows, the energy of the band has completley changed and Trent looks focused and determined now (they are also slowly fading out some of the old songs in the set that have become stale such as Closer. A man approaching his mid 40's screaming out "I want to f**k you like an animal" just doesn't feel right.)

 

[LESStar58]

You know rock is dead when Straight line by Silverchair is your new favourite song on the radio.

People piss and moan about my music, but atleast there was lead guitar, great voices, personalities etc now today we musicians who are dressed up in suits, playing stratocasters like the Beatles, songs are predominately acoustic, drum sets are barely 5 piece and the best singers are know better then Henry Rollins who is probably the worst vocalist i've ever heard.

Thanks Rock n' Roll for the 30 odd years of great music which produced the likes of Jimmy Page, Axl Rose, Robert Plant, Eddie Van Halen, Ronnie James Dio etc but now we have to move on and listen too The Vines, Ben Lee, The Killers, John Mayer etc as this is apparently what good music is now:? and i think we'll all agree this current crop is every bit as talented as the likes of Jimmy, Eddie, Bruce Dickinson etc

Oh, one thing atleast that is still alive? Punk woohoo:roll:

Rock isn't dead IMO.... it's just that it's full of poseurs like Jet, The Killers, the Bravery etc. I don't like silverchair but at least they have paid their dues in terms of making albums, getting an audience and copping criticism.

Radio has fail me ( I dont even listen to the Js any more) but I have a pretty substantial CD collection to keep me pre-occupied.

Fortunately for me I listen to heaps of different kinds of music and living in Melbourne town I'm pretty spoilt for choice cos theres always stuff for me to see! Tonight I'm off to see Zombie Ghost Train and then in a cople of weeks time I'll be going to see Wanda Jackson then my mate's band Catgut Mary are playing in Geelong with Canadian folk punk band The Mahones.

 

[LESStar58]

Airbourne
http://www.myspace.com/airbournerock
http://www.airbournerock.com/

Again, another band I don't particuarly like that much but have seen them twice opening for The Fireballs in 2005 and "supporting" Don Caster & The Dandy Nongs" (aka The Living End") also in 2005. They did, however get themselves a pretty decent following and they are a pretty young band of kids. Think the drummer is not even 18 years old yet.

But for a while there they were the next big thing. They got signed to a massive contract (about $2 million for 4 or 6 albums) with Capitol. Not bad for a band from Warnambool!

unfortunately they have faded into obscurity and play only local gigs arond Melbourne these days. still see em advertised.

 

[LESStar58]

I'm glad I'm not the only person on here who thinks the music scene has turned sour.

it will never go sour. Theres plenty of good stuff out there for anyone whos willing to try new things and be a little bit open minded.

I've always liked folk-rock music but in the last few years my appreciation of it has strengthened thanks to the efforts of local bands like:

Catgut Mary
The Currency
Mutiny
The Go-Set
Sydney City Trash.

 

[joel caine number 1 fan]

rock is not dead its just that your listening to the radio u want good rock bands listen too this list

Lifehouse - have a greadt singer and there probley the most under-rated band around it kills me too see bands like nickelback making it huge in aus when these guys are barley known in aus as one hit wonders

Breaking Benjamin - yes alt rock band but a good one as well very catchy lyrics

Three Days Grace - i throught there first album was alright and there first sinle was getting a bit of air play but on there 2nd cd they have tranformed themselfs into a great band

Greenwheel - download there album if u can cause u wont find it here in aus a band that is highly under-rated

Vonray - another one u will have too download and a damn good band as well

Evan's Blue - great band the lead singer sounds like tool's lead singer

Howie day - hes pretty good solo singer songwriter

Damien Rice - see hoiwe day

Goo goo dolls - there still going and getting even better

Diswalla - another one thats very good

opeth - great band

Killswitch engage - great hardcore metal band

Boysetsfire - most say emo but emo is never this heavey

and last and the greatest band alive Iron Maiden yes they are still goin g and are just as good as when they first started

 

[Ron Jeremy]

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Im sorry but everything is too different now, yeah some bands aren't too bad but it just isn't rock in the way i want it.

 

[Eelementary]

It's much harder to write innovative and fresh music these days than it was 30 years ago, because everything's been done before.

I mean, watching WWE SmackDown! two weeks ago, they had Ozzy Osbourne performing his new single from his new album and, whilst it was catchy, it wasn't really a good song.

But what is "good rock"? I mean, people I know always criticised AC/DC for being too simple - to me, their brilliance lied in that very fact; their riffs were catchy but simple and their music was constructed simply.

Now you have bands like Opeth who just blow your mind...They switch from gothic metal to doom to black and back again...And their songs usually go for 8 minutes. Funny thing is that it's 8 minutes that isn't boring.

It's funny - these days, the most common type of music is emo/punk, stemming from upper middle-class Americans who are angry at something. And yet, underneath that, you have some truly magnificent bands who are writing lyrics about important issues and you have singers who, though they use the death grunting vocal style, they can still hold notes and guitarrists who use more than two strings to play. :crazy:

I mean no offence, but I heard the vocalist from The Killers the other day on the radio do an improvised performance on live radio, and he was dull and bland. On the other hand, I've been to see Killswitch Engage live, and Howard Jones can scream and sing with the best of them.

 

[sydraider]

Please come to australia oh almighty Blackie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Steel Dragon]

rock is not dead its just that your listening to the radio u want good rock bands listen too this list

Lifehouse - have a greadt singer and there probley the most under-rated band around it kills me too see bands like nickelback making it huge in aus when these guys are barley known in aus as one hit wonders

Breaking Benjamin - yes alt rock band but a good one as well very catchy lyrics

Three Days Grace - i throught there first album was alright and there first sinle was getting a bit of air play but on there 2nd cd they have tranformed themselfs into a great band

Greenwheel - download there album if u can cause u wont find it here in aus a band that is highly under-rated

Vonray - another one u will have too download and a damn good band as well

Evan's Blue - great band the lead singer sounds like tool's lead singer

Howie day - hes pretty good solo singer songwriter

Damien Rice - see hoiwe day

Goo goo dolls - there still going and getting even better

Diswalla - another one thats very good

opeth - great band

Killswitch engage - great hardcore metal band

Boysetsfire - most say emo but emo is never this heavey

Youre right - rock is dead!!
None of the above candy-ass bands could be considered rock - and the fact that you think they are makes for one incredibly sad situation!!!

There are no decent new rock bands. And the decent old ones - ie Tool NIN etc are trying to push the envelope so much that theyre getting away from what is considered 'rock' and is becoming somewhat more experimental.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Youre right - rock is dead!!
None of the above candy-ass bands could be considered rock - and the fact that you think they are makes for one incredibly sad situation!!!

There are no decent new rock bands. And the decent old ones - ie Tool NIN etc are trying to push the envelope so much that theyre getting away from what is considered 'rock' and is becoming somewhat more experimental.

Excellent post, couldn't of said it better myself.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Please come to australia oh almighty Blackie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats what i miss dude;-) characters with voices!

 

[sydraider]

Thats what i miss dude;-) characters with voices!

There are mumurs around that W.A.S.P are going to finally make it down under. I really hope this rumour comes to fruition. Thats one band I have always wanted to see. Pity it will be without Holmes, Rodd and Riley and 20 years later then I would have liked to see them but you have to take the good with the bad I guess and you still get Blackie!

 

[salivor]

Year Zero is a concept album, the reason it sounds so electronic is because it was an experiment and Trent wanted to fit the sound in with the concept (it's 15 years in the future, we have reached the peak of technology and the end of the world is near blah blah blah). Trent has said part two of year zero will have a completeley different sound(there are some rumours that it will be similar to the Still disc of And All that Could Have Been).

I suggest you atleast give it another chance, the general consensus among fans is that it is some of his best work and it rivals his earlier albums (on the first listen I thought 'meh' but after listening to it more it has really grown on me, and the layers upon layers of sound that you mention are on The Fragile (my favourite album) are present here, they just aren't as organic sounding).

With Teeth was a transition period and the live shows from that era show that, Trent was still putting on the 'troubled' act but it didn't really feel sincere because he is obviously past that period in his life and he's happy now. Have a look at some recent live shows, the energy of the band has completley changed and Trent looks focused and determined now (they are also slowly fading out some of the old songs in the set that have become stale such as Closer. A man approaching his mid 40's screaming out "I want to f**k you like an animal" just doesn't feel right.)

I get that it's a concept album, it's just an average concept. I'll admit that it's growing on me after listening to it over the last few days but I wouldn't rate it any higher than on par with With Teeth or Petty Hate Machine. It's certainly no The Fragile or The Downward Spiral, anyone calling it some of his best work probably want to have a thorough listen through his full catelogue.

Youre right - rock is dead!!
None of the above candy-ass bands could be considered rock - and the fact that you think they are makes for one incredibly sad situation!!!

There are no decent new rock bands. And the decent old ones - ie Tool NIN etc are trying to push the envelope so much that theyre getting away from what is considered 'rock' and is becoming somewhat more experimental.

You know things are tough when you're citing the likes of Lifehouse and the Goo Goo Dolls as examples of Rock being alive and kicking. They're prime examples of this bland generic sound that is killing rock.

 

[Steel Dragon]

Its funny - Goo Goo Dolls used to be a sorta alternate pop punk band - now theyre a lame soft rock sellout band.

Lifehouse are like a lame-ass version of Bloc Party.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

There are mumurs around that W.A.S.P are going to finally make it down under. I really hope this rumour comes to fruition. Thats one band I have always wanted to see. Pity it will be without Holmes, Rodd and Riley and 20 years later then I would have liked to see them but you have to take the good with the bad I guess and you still get Blackie!

wow, but without Chris dunno, still though imagine there would be thousands that would see them, no plenty of WASP fans in Parramatta.

 

[sydraider]

If Blackie makes it down under Ron, me and you are gonna hit the turps hardcore ok ;-)