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Round 11 vs the Rabbitohs

Kilkenny

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May could be out concussion symptoms Kenny in

Probably won’t lose too much if May is out. Kenny was terrific filling in for Api, I know he doesn't offer the versatility that May does but if we get an unforeseen injury in the outside backs I guess Capewell can fill in if required.

We’ve had some soft games which is probably our biggest issue going into this week. I think we are going to have to be somewhere near our best to get the win this week.
 

GongPanther

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It feels like years since neither of my sides won over the weekend.
I think this weekends a huge test. I am worried :pensive:
No need to worry, the status quo will apply. And by the end of the Monaco Grand Prix on Sunday night, it will have been a great day.
 

betcats

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Probably won’t lose too much if May is out. Kenny was terrific filling in for Api, I know he doesn't offer the versatility that May does but if we get an unforeseen injury in the outside backs I guess Capewell can fill in if required.

We’ve had some soft games which is probably our biggest issue going into this week. I think we are going to have to be somewhere near our best to get the win this week.

I dont think our defence is getting enough credit tbh. Souths will be tough but they have not faced a defensive unit like ours yet, we leave every other club for dead in that regard. Everyone is talking about the attacking nature of the game and the points being scored, we are conceding the least points in almost 50 year despite all these changes. Think back to all the great teams the last ten years, storm, rorters, 2016 sharks....our defence leaves them all for dead.

If we show up with our usual defensive intensity and do not give away cheap penalties or make a lot of errors we will probably smoke them, our defence rattles teams and throws their game plan out the window.
 

GongPanther

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I dont think our defence is getting enough credit tbh. Souths will be tough but they have not faced a defensive unit like ours yet, we leave every other club for dead in that regard. Everyone is talking about the attacking nature of the game and the points being scored, we are conceding the least points in almost 50 year despite all these changes. Think back to all the great teams the last ten years, storm, rorters, 2016 sharks....our defence leaves them all for dead.

If we show up with our usual defensive intensity and do not give away cheap penalties or make a lot errors we will probably smoke them, our defence rattles teams and throws their game plan out the window.
You would think that after 10 straight victories, we would collectively be more confident.
 

betcats

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We beat south easily in a straight out contest.

It's the head high lottery that is the concern.

It's not just the send off's, it's the extra penalties and loss of field position that adds up.

Yep going down a man against them or giving them piggy backs up the field would be dangerous, they can turn it on with their attack. We just need to be disciplined and grind them down, not many teams can go set for set with us for an extended period.
 

hindy111

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I dont think our defence is getting enough credit tbh. Souths will be tough but they have not faced a defensive unit like ours yet, we leave every other club for dead in that regard. Everyone is talking about the attacking nature of the game and the points being scored, we are conceding the least points in almost 50 year despite all these changes. Think back to all the great teams the last ten years, storm, rorters, 2016 sharks....our defence leaves them all for dead.

If we show up with our usual defensive intensity and do not give away cheap penalties or make a lot of errors we will probably smoke them, our defence rattles teams and throws their game plan out the window.

There are 4 x sides and almost 5 (bar 6 points) who have conceeded over 4 x the amount of points over almost half the season than the Panthers.

13/15 sides have conceeded over double. Parra are only 2 points from joining the group.

11/15 sides have conceeded more then 3 x the amount of points.
 

betcats

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There are 4 x sides and almost 5 (bar 6 points) who have conceeded over 4 x the amount of points over almost half the season than the Panthers.

13/15 sides have conceeded over double. Parra are only 2 points from joining the group.

11/15 sides have conceeded more then 3 x the amount of points.

Yep I think Storm then Parra are the closest and they aren't really that close, our defence is what sets us apart at the moment. Our attack is very good but our defence is next level, its the reason why we are winning. We have had games where we dropped the ball a lot or looked a little clunky in attack but our defence gets us through those games. The only game this year where our defensive effort was not up to scratch was the broncos, besides that we have shown up with the right attitude every week.
 

franklin2323

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Our defence is too good. We won't lose a game when Full strength as a result. SOO will hurt and getting guys in the bin but 13 on 13 we win
 

MugaB

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We beat south easily in a straight out contest.

It's the head high lottery that is the concern.

It's not just the send off's, it's the extra penalties and loss of field position that adds up.
Mathematically we smashed the titans with 12 men at one stage, this was the same team that went neck and neck with the rabbits about a month ago, try for try, they both could score points, but couldn't defend them...

I think we shít this through....
 

WestyLife

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Mathematically we smashed the titans with 12 men at one stage, this was the same team that went neck and neck with the rabbits about a month ago, try for try, they both could score points, but couldn't defend them...

I think we shít this through....

I think it was Liam Martin who said recently they've been training to be prepared for sin bins and being down a player so they don't get caught out.

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betcats

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Right on cue NRL.com posts an article talking up how good our defence is.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/05/21/panthers-dominance-rivalling-best-record-in-premiership-history/





While Penrith's attack is outstanding, their defence this year has been so exceptional that they are rivalling the most dominant regular season in premiership history.

Not since the all-conquering Eastern Suburbs side of 1935 has a team consistently won by as many points as the undefeated Panthers.

After 10 rounds the Panthers have an average points differential of 23.6, only the Tricolours of 86 years ago - spearheaded by future Immortal Dave Brown - have achieved greater dominance when finished with a mark of 27.63 over 16 games of their regular season.

They ended with a 15-1 record and won both playoff matches to win the first of what would be a hat-trick of premierships.

Also in that 1935 season, Easts had the benefit of twice taking on a newly formed Canterbury team to rack up wins of 87-7 and 65-15, as well as the winless University club - thrashing them 61-5 and 40-5 - which only lasted two more years in the league.

Penrith are not the only side dominating in 2021 with Melbourne averaging a 21-point differential after 10 rounds.

The 1959 Saints have the second-best differential for a full season at an even 20 points while the 1995 Sea Eagles, who were upset by the Bulldogs in a grand final boilover, are the next best with 19.95.

As dominant as they were during their golden era of four premierships in the 1980s, in Parramatta's statistically best campaign in 1982 they averaged a differential of 14.5 points.

Parramatta hold the record for best regular season campaign in the NRL era with a differential of 16.66 in 2001 when they fell short in the premiership decider against Newcastle.

So ferocious has Penrith's defence been this season that they have conceded just 72 points, which makes them by far the best defensive team of the NRL era after 10 rounds.

In fact, it is the best defensive record of any side through 10 rounds since the value of tries was increased from three points to four, with NRL.com Stats having to travel back to the 1974 Roosters (70 points in 10 rounds) to find a side that let in fewer at the same stage of a season.

If the Panthers manage to maintain their points per game average throughout the rest of the season, it will be the best effort since the mighty St George side of 1963, which averaged a paltry 5.28 in the midst of their streak of 11 straight titles.

Penrith are racking up plenty of points as well, with their tally of 308 points in 10 rounds the fifth-best of the NRL era.

Co-captain Nathan Cleary gave NRL.com an insight into the team's mentality when their opponents have the ball.

Cleary put in arguably the best individual performance of the year in Magic Round, accruing an absurd stat-line against the Titans that included three tries, two try assists, nine tackle busts, eight goals from as many attempts, 173 run metres and 266 kick metres plus two line drop-outs forced.

He also polished off 19 tackles with just one missed.

Cleary's take-away from all that? The missed tackle.

"There was definitely areas I thought I could have been better – especially in defence," Cleary told NRL.com.

"That's something to work on this week and take into next week."

Admittedly the missed tackle, on back-rower Beau Fermor, led directly to a try as the Panthers let in two second-half four-pointers and conceded 12 points all up - the equal second-most points they'd given up in a game this year.

For all his dominance with the ball, Cleary is also arguably the game's best defensive half and neither he nor his father and coach Ivan were impressed with the two second-half tries the Titans scored.

"We just need to be able to keep the intensity for the full 80 minutes no matter what the scoreline is," he added.

"As a team were probably guilty of that as a whole. The last 20 minutes we kind of slacked off a little bit. In saying that it gives us more motivation to play well this week and we're going to have to to beat a good Rabbitohs side this week.

"We definitely pride ourselves on our defence. Just the way we let in those tries was disappointing, they were a bit soft. It's not something we're about.

"It put a bit of a dampener on it but in saying that everyone's pretty stoked to get a win, especially in Magic Round, and start the season 10-0."

Pressed on his own performance, Cleary afforded himself the smallest of compliments.

"Personally I guess I'm building pretty nicely and getting better each week," he said.

"It put a bit of a dampener on it but in saying that everyone's pretty stoked to get a win, especially in Magic Round, and start the season 10-0."

Pressed on his own performance, Cleary afforded himself the smallest of compliments.

"Personally I guess I'm building pretty nicely and getting better each week," he said.

"Just working hard. In saying that I'm definitely not content with where I'm at. I still feel like there's a long way to go but I'm enjoying the journey."

It's all a pretty clear indication of the Panthers' mindset, that they can have comfortably the best defence of any side of the modern era at this stage of a season and only see improvement to come.

For his part, Cleary hadn't heard the stat previously.

"Oh really? Wow, that's pretty cool," he laughed. "Again, that's something we pride ourselves on. That's a pretty cool stat."

Explaining just how this particular group has been able to achieve something so rare was a tougher ask, however.

"It's just the teamwork and the ability to have each other's backs when someone makes a mistake and having someone there to kind of save your arse," he said.

"That's something we pride ourselves on with our teamwork and working hard for each other and our scramble.

"Not only that, we've got great coaching staff, Cameron Ciraldo our defensive coach puts a lot of time and work into us and I think we're repaying the favour on the field.

"I think it's just a really good attitude amongst the group, we enjoy each win we have, we just enjoy playing footy together, we love the game and we come in on Monday and try and improve. We've done that well so far this year."
 

Pablooo

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Mathematically we smashed the titans with 12 men at one stage, this was the same team that went neck and neck with the rabbits about a month ago, try for try, they both could score points, but couldn't defend them...

I think we shít this through....

Yes but Souths have had a huge injury list since the Tigers game with 4-7 players missing from their top 17. Against the Storm they had 7 players missing which proved to be a massacre. This game they will only have Murray and maybe Graham missing which is a big confidence boost for Souths. Bennett will have them ready for a big game.
 

MugaB

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Yes but Souths have had a huge injury list since the Tigers game with 4-7 players missing from their top 17. Against the Storm they had 7 players missing which proved to be a massacre. This game they will only have Murray and maybe Graham missing which is a big confidence boost for Souths. Bennett will have them ready for a big game.
Im not talking about them vs storm, im talking them versus titans, both teams put on 30-40 points on each other, over a month ago
 

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