Round 22 v Plucked chooks

[franklin2323]

Do you think being at 6 has improved Cartwright's game in any way? Is he a better player today than he was at the start of the season?

He does seem to push the pass less now then early in the season. We won't know til he goes back to the forwards

 

[betcats]

So we ignore the Try and 2 try assists last night by him then? Actual halves with less then 50 FG games make those same errors he is. TMM is fit now so hopefully he's back in the forwards but how can anyone say he's been a failure at 6

Inventing try assists now franklin? He had one for Waqas try where did the other come from?

 

[PANTHERMIKE]

He does seem to push the pass less now then early in the season. We won't know til he goes back to the forwards

Start of the season he would try and offload everything, i think he has reeled it in a lot since being forced to play 5/8. Will only help!

 

[betcats]

Good for you big man... I wonder why a second rower looks lost playing in the halves... It just doesnt make sense does it....

I knew you would get there in the end buddy!

 

[franklin2323]

Inventing try assists now franklin? He had one for Waqas try where did the other come from?

Was the flick pass for Peachey's 2nd not counted? He flicked to Dallen to Cleary then the kick

 

[franklin2323]

Start of the season he would try and offload everything, i think he has reeled it in a lot since being forced to play 5/8. Will only help!

ignoring the number on his back. His stats for the year are:

2308 run metres. 7 Line Breaks. 8 try assists. 61 Offloads. 42 tackle breaks. Does have 60 missed tackles but Latu has 55 playing less minutes. Has 19 errors but Mansour has 18 so he’s not that far behind in those 2 categories

For a guy who's played 49 FG games it's not the worst. So i'd say yes he's improved since the move

 

[betcats]

Was the flick pass for Peachey's 2nd not counted? He flicked to Dallen to Cleary then the kick

It was a good offload but it doesn't count as a try assist. Its not even a linebreak assist. It has to be the pass or kick to the tryscorer so Dallin gets a linebreak assist and Cleary gets the try assist for that one.

 

[PANTHERMIKE]

ignoring the number on his back. His stats for the year are:

2308 run metres. 7 Line Breaks. 8 try assists. 61 Offloads. 42 tackle breaks. Does have 60 missed tackles but Latu has 55 playing less minutes. Has 19 errors but Mansour has 18 so he’s not that far behind in those 2 categories

For a guy who's played 49 FG games it's not the worst. So i'd say yes he's improved since the move

That's the key thing, he has played 49 games..Not bad for a kid....

 

[TheFrog]

Inventing try assists now franklin? He had one for Waqas try where did the other come from?

His ball putting Cleary into the clear led to the second Peachey try. Try assists don't always get credited in the stats. He carved the Roosters up in the 20 minutes after halftime.

And what about Cleary huh? What a masterstroke to put him in the top side? Must be looking pretty good for rookie of the year with four games remaining.

A lot of good out there last night, although its true we played as well as we were allowed to play.

 

[franklin2323]

That's the key thing, he has played 49 games..Not bad for a kid....

I compare him to other players of a same stage not an image of how I feel he should be playing. I don't think he should ever kick only run and offload. He needs to learn that himself. Stats wise he's going ok. Hopefully next year he gets half the errors and a few more Try assists and builds every year from that

 

[betcats]

His ball putting Cleary into the clear led to the second Peachey try. Try assists don't always get credited in the stats.

Well actually the try assist gets credited to Cleary and deservedly so you would think. Bryce got tackled with the ball on last tackle and came up with a very nice offload to Dallin who put Cleary away.

 

[umina panther]

The problem with Carty kicking is that about 1/5 are brilliant kicks. So he believes he should kick far too often

 

[chrisD]

Run around the back on the far left of the field, a halves run. The backrower runs the decoy, half runs around the back, holds the ball in two hands, defence crumbles.

Run underneath Moylan in the lead up to Grevmuhl's try, usually a fullback's run, Moylan and Cartwright just swap roles for the play, which they can do because Cartwright is playing in the middle. The space is created by Moylan drifting with the threat of the actual second rower hitting the line just off him.

The offload for Cleary, he doesn't get that 1 on 1 without JFH threatening on his outside.

The Blake try he's playing in the far right corner, he's not popping up there and on the left like for the first try unless he's playing like a half.

Plays a role in four tries. Puts in our best attacking kick on the line that ended in a Vref no try.

But against that he dropped the ball once and put in two shit kicks. Because he didn't make mistakes in the back row, because your halves and attacking players aren't supposed to make mistakes, because the attack hasn't been functioning way the f**k better since he's been playing there, because he hasn't been creating more points since he's been moved. Basically, you're pretty much all a bunch of muppets, like with your RCG love.

 

[TheFrog]

Well actually the try assist gets credited to Cleary and deservedly so you would think. Bryce got tackled with the ball on last tackle and came up with a very nice offload to Dallin who put Cleary away.

Yes I was at the game and knew there was a player between Cartwright and Cleary, but didn't know who it was. Too busy celebrating to watch the replay I guess. DWZ deserves credit for an improved effort last night too. I just didn't realise how slow he was until he made that break in the first half.

 

[chrisD]

If you're an opposition coach and Griffin lines Cartwright up in the 11 or 12 you'd be thanking the gods. Anchoring Cartwright to a side of the field and making him a line runner rather than the bloke running behind and playing with the line runner makes the job so much easier.

 

[betcats]

Run around the back on the far left of the field, a halves run. The backrower runs the decoy, half runs around the back, holds the ball in two hands, defence crumbles.

Run underneath Moylan in the lead up to Grevmuhl's try, usually a fullback's run, Moylan and Cartwright just swap roles for the play, which they can do because Cartwright is playing in the middle. The space is created by Moylan drifting with the threat of the actual second rower hitting the line just off him.

The offload for Cleary, he doesn't get that 1 on 1 without JFH threatening on his outside.

The Blake try he's playing in the far right corner, he's not popping up there and on the left like for the first try unless he's playing like a half.

Plays a role in four tries. Puts in our best attacking kick on the line that ended in a Vref no try.

But against that he dropped the ball once and put in two shit kicks. Because he didn't make mistakes in the back row, because your halves and attacking players aren't supposed to make mistakes, because the attack hasn't been functioning way the f**k better since he's been playing there, because he hasn't been creating more points since he's been moved. Basically, you're pretty much all a bunch of muppets, like with your RCG love.

Playing in the backrow he regularly pops up either side of the field and gets the ball in first and second receiver. The difference being he gets it when he calls it and sees something rather then him forced to get it and try and organise. He has been given the freedom to roam the field since last season its nothing recent. Like have we really never seen Bryce in a run around until he moved to the halves have we? He had all the freedom to ball play and drift around the field and even kick when playing as a backrower. Im not against him doing these things im against him being forced to be organise and create especially at this stage of his career, its leading to more dumb plays from him.

 

[franklin2323]

Run around the back on the far left of the field, a halves run. The backrower runs the decoy, half runs around the back, holds the ball in two hands, defence crumbles.

Run underneath Moylan in the lead up to Grevmuhl's try, usually a fullback's run, Moylan and Cartwright just swap roles for the play, which they can do because Cartwright is playing in the middle. The space is created by Moylan drifting with the threat of the actual second rower hitting the line just off him.

The offload for Cleary, he doesn't get that 1 on 1 without JFH threatening on his outside.

The Blake try he's playing in the far right corner, he's not popping up there and on the left like for the first try unless he's playing like a half.

Plays a role in four tries. Puts in our best attacking kick on the line that ended in a Vref no try.

But against that he dropped the ball once and put in two shit kicks. Because he didn't make mistakes in the back row, because your halves and attacking players aren't supposed to make mistakes, because the attack hasn't been functioning way the f**k better since he's been playing there, because he hasn't been creating more points since he's been moved. Basically, you're pretty much all a bunch of muppets, like with your RCG love.

will TMM get the same shit if he does shit kicks and drop the ball? I doubt it

 

[betcats]

Bryce should be focusing on his defence getting that right not learning how to be a half, even TMM would an upgrade over him defensively.

 

[mxlegend99]

So we ignore the Try and 2 try assists last night by him then? Actual halves with less then 50 FG games make those same errors he is. TMM is fit now so hopefully he's back in the forwards but how can anyone say he's been a failure at 6

Who said he was a failure at 6? He's just overplaying his hand at 6 and looks his best when he goes back to playing more like a second rower. He's a great player with any number on his back.

HE is just at his best when his focus is running straight into the line trying to break through defenders. He has the size and strength to make great metres, actually bust through the line or draw enough guys in that his offloads give the guy receiving it a lot of space to make shit happen.

When he plays a 5/8th role he tends to be a bit like Benji. Going for low percentage plays. His teammates aren't on the same page much of the time and his great plays can be undone by shocking ones. Good for highlights reels. Bad for building and systaining pressure.

We're very lucky to have Cleary doing those things. He's the reason we have done aswell as we have sonce Soward was punted. He's controlling games with his boot and often compensating for our weak defence up the middle by removing forwards from the equation early in the tackle counts. The kid is a genius. He's not perfect yet but he is so smart and has the skill to pull off the plays he sees unfolding in his head. He will be so much better in 2017 having the experience he has had this year. A full off season knowing he will be the man running the team and an off season where he can work on a combination with Moylan and Te Maire Martin.

 

[mxlegend99]

will TMM get the same shit if he does shit kicks and drop the ball? I doubt it

Ofcourse he will. What player hasn't copped it for us after shocking mistakes?

The fans just want us to win games and field the best possible team for doing so. Its not exclusive to us... that's the fans of every team.

There are Broncos fans that have turned on Hunt and a year ago he was arguably the form 7 of the comp.