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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...e/news-story/b9beca2d57a86f037201d447418d2cd3

The inside story of star recruit Jesse Ramien’s shock exit from Newcastle

Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
August 2, 2019 10:01pm
Subscriber only
Nathan Brown took a swing for the coaches during the week.

He leaned way back on his back leg and balled up his fist and swung like it all depended on it when he sacked Jesse Ramien days before the biggest game of Newcastle’s season.

Ramien is 22 and a supreme talent.

He is everything, at his best, Newcastle need. A great threat on the edges, fast and big.

A year ago he was part of the NSW emerging Origin squad. Teams from around the league turned up on his door, batting their eyes with fat contracts and grand talk.

similars

Ramien breathed it in like he breathed air itself.

He committed to the Knights but almost immediately the fit was wrong. His form took off at Cronulla so much the Sharks wondered quietly if they could keep him.

The Knights weren’t budging. They had done a magnificent deal.


In this salary cap era the game is won and lost around value. The Knights paid an average $375,000 a year for Ramien and the way he finished the season with Cronulla they soon realised they had a player worth far more than that.

It began to be a problem when Ramien realised it, too.

He turned up in Newcastle and kicked a few stones because somewhere along the line somebody told him the Knights got him cheap and he knew he could have been earning more money.

It is always here that things get murky.

Nothing kills a player’s enthusiasm for his club more than the belief he is being underpaid.

Clubs can’t immediately rectify that, though. Salary caps are finely balanced. Money is limited.

The art of the deal is always timing.

Clubs will pay more for a young player hoping that, by the final year of his contract, he is providing value above what he is being paid to deliver. Pay now, reap later.

Ramien turned up at Newcastle believing he was already being underpaid.

If the game is the art of the deal, Brown had done a magnificent job.

But it was never that simple.

Three times the Knights got a call, from three rival clubs, saying Ramien’s camp had approached them saying he wasn’t happy and they were gauging interest to see if they were keen to take him.
Brown knew it could be a problem but his job was to coach and find a way to keep Ramien happy.

A fortnight ago the Knights fought for a time against Sydney Roosters before surrendering it away. They trailed by two points with 25 minutes left and lost 48-10.

Afterwards Brown, who likes to ask himself questions at his post-match press conference before he answers them, said, “Will we play a better team than the Roosters in the next month? Probably not, but there’s going to be some decisions asked of players that are going to be big factors in where we finish on the scoreboard.
“So we certainly can't ignore it".

Privately, Ramien was one of those players Brown was speaking of. Brown should have dropped Ramien then.

Ramien had committed what is among the great sins of professional sport; his teammates didn’t believe he tried hard enough.

This week Brown pulled the trigger.

Cronulla got a phone call from Ramien’s dad asking if there was still interest. The Sharks rang Newcastle to see if he was available.

Wednesday night after training Brown walked over to Ramien.

“I hear your dad is shopping you around?” he said.

“I don’t take that personally, and don’t take this personally, but go and pack your bags and go and play somewhere else where you’re happy with the money you’re on.”

Simple as that.

That it was done with no deal negotiated to lessen the cap pressure at Newcastle reveals the urgency the Knights believed he needed to go.

He sacked Ramien after the June 30 transfer and too late for Ramien to land elsewhere this season.

It reveals the strength of Brown’s decision.

Saturday afternoon’s result against Manly might well decide Newcastle’s season. The Knights are a win out of the top eight and are in the fight to their elbows, with half a dozen other clubs, to make the finals.

By sacking Ramien the week of such a vital game Brown could potentially have put himself in the firing line.

This is often how it begins.

Ramien’s exit was a sign of the new world in the NRL. Players, and increasingly their managers, carry tremendous power at most clubs.
A quiet phone call, a gathering of numbers, and suddenly they are away.

Few clubs have the strength to take on the playing group no matter how wrong they are, making coaches often the most disposable job in every the NRL.

Look at the Gold Coast.

The Titans players fell out of love with Neil Henry. The rebellion was led by Jarryd Hayne, in spirit if not action when Hayne and Henry fell out.

The club sided with Hayne.

Henry was gone and in came Garth Brennan.

Part of Brennan’s appeal was a special relationship, they said, with Ash Taylor, the Titans’ most crucial player now Hayne was gone.

That didn’t save him and Brennan was gone.

So the Titans playing group, which has done nothing that would resemble success, has seen off the coaching careers of two good men and taken no accountability for themselves.

Coaches are expendable.

It is easier and far cheaper to wheel in a new coach than it is to offload a core group of troublesome players.

That was the risk Brown faced this week. How would unloading a talent like Ramien affect his players?

Players know not only the value of talent but how necessary it is to win.

A backlash on the eve of an important game like this one could be devastating.

Ramien will go elsewhere and somebody will pay him what he believes he should have been getting at Newcastle.

The Knights will fight for their season this afternoon against Manly with a coach who knows his only mistake was not sacking Ramien earlier.

The week before the Roosters they lost to Canterbury, currently second last, and the week after they lost 28-26 to Wests Tigers.

Two wins in some winnable games would have changed their finals chances completely.

Brown is unconcerned about letting Ramien go. He stood up for his club, a fight that is not always returned but was this week.

In the days after Ramien got sacked several senior players call him.

You did the right thing, they said.
 

Johns Magic

Referee
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I’m just glad I won’t have to hear Toohey’s “Ferrari in the garage” line that makes me feel sick pumping this guy’s tyres anymore. Not sure he’d earned that just yet and it seemed a big ego-stroke.
 

aqua_duck

Coach
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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...e/news-story/b9beca2d57a86f037201d447418d2cd3

The inside story of star recruit Jesse Ramien’s shock exit from Newcastle

Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
August 2, 2019 10:01pm
Subscriber only
Nathan Brown took a swing for the coaches during the week.

He leaned way back on his back leg and balled up his fist and swung like it all depended on it when he sacked Jesse Ramien days before the biggest game of Newcastle’s season.

Ramien is 22 and a supreme talent.

He is everything, at his best, Newcastle need. A great threat on the edges, fast and big.

A year ago he was part of the NSW emerging Origin squad. Teams from around the league turned up on his door, batting their eyes with fat contracts and grand talk.

similars

Ramien breathed it in like he breathed air itself.

He committed to the Knights but almost immediately the fit was wrong. His form took off at Cronulla so much the Sharks wondered quietly if they could keep him.

The Knights weren’t budging. They had done a magnificent deal.


In this salary cap era the game is won and lost around value. The Knights paid an average $375,000 a year for Ramien and the way he finished the season with Cronulla they soon realised they had a player worth far more than that.

It began to be a problem when Ramien realised it, too.

He turned up in Newcastle and kicked a few stones because somewhere along the line somebody told him the Knights got him cheap and he knew he could have been earning more money.

It is always here that things get murky.

Nothing kills a player’s enthusiasm for his club more than the belief he is being underpaid.

Clubs can’t immediately rectify that, though. Salary caps are finely balanced. Money is limited.

The art of the deal is always timing.

Clubs will pay more for a young player hoping that, by the final year of his contract, he is providing value above what he is being paid to deliver. Pay now, reap later.

Ramien turned up at Newcastle believing he was already being underpaid.

If the game is the art of the deal, Brown had done a magnificent job.

But it was never that simple.

Three times the Knights got a call, from three rival clubs, saying Ramien’s camp had approached them saying he wasn’t happy and they were gauging interest to see if they were keen to take him.
Brown knew it could be a problem but his job was to coach and find a way to keep Ramien happy.

A fortnight ago the Knights fought for a time against Sydney Roosters before surrendering it away. They trailed by two points with 25 minutes left and lost 48-10.

Afterwards Brown, who likes to ask himself questions at his post-match press conference before he answers them, said, “Will we play a better team than the Roosters in the next month? Probably not, but there’s going to be some decisions asked of players that are going to be big factors in where we finish on the scoreboard.
“So we certainly can't ignore it".

Privately, Ramien was one of those players Brown was speaking of. Brown should have dropped Ramien then.

Ramien had committed what is among the great sins of professional sport; his teammates didn’t believe he tried hard enough.

This week Brown pulled the trigger.

Cronulla got a phone call from Ramien’s dad asking if there was still interest. The Sharks rang Newcastle to see if he was available.

Wednesday night after training Brown walked over to Ramien.

“I hear your dad is shopping you around?” he said.

“I don’t take that personally, and don’t take this personally, but go and pack your bags and go and play somewhere else where you’re happy with the money you’re on.”

Simple as that.

That it was done with no deal negotiated to lessen the cap pressure at Newcastle reveals the urgency the Knights believed he needed to go.

He sacked Ramien after the June 30 transfer and too late for Ramien to land elsewhere this season.

It reveals the strength of Brown’s decision.

Saturday afternoon’s result against Manly might well decide Newcastle’s season. The Knights are a win out of the top eight and are in the fight to their elbows, with half a dozen other clubs, to make the finals.

By sacking Ramien the week of such a vital game Brown could potentially have put himself in the firing line.

This is often how it begins.

Ramien’s exit was a sign of the new world in the NRL. Players, and increasingly their managers, carry tremendous power at most clubs.
A quiet phone call, a gathering of numbers, and suddenly they are away.

Few clubs have the strength to take on the playing group no matter how wrong they are, making coaches often the most disposable job in every the NRL.

Look at the Gold Coast.

The Titans players fell out of love with Neil Henry. The rebellion was led by Jarryd Hayne, in spirit if not action when Hayne and Henry fell out.

The club sided with Hayne.

Henry was gone and in came Garth Brennan.

Part of Brennan’s appeal was a special relationship, they said, with Ash Taylor, the Titans’ most crucial player now Hayne was gone.

That didn’t save him and Brennan was gone.

So the Titans playing group, which has done nothing that would resemble success, has seen off the coaching careers of two good men and taken no accountability for themselves.

Coaches are expendable.

It is easier and far cheaper to wheel in a new coach than it is to offload a core group of troublesome players.

That was the risk Brown faced this week. How would unloading a talent like Ramien affect his players?

Players know not only the value of talent but how necessary it is to win.

A backlash on the eve of an important game like this one could be devastating.

Ramien will go elsewhere and somebody will pay him what he believes he should have been getting at Newcastle.

The Knights will fight for their season this afternoon against Manly with a coach who knows his only mistake was not sacking Ramien earlier.

The week before the Roosters they lost to Canterbury, currently second last, and the week after they lost 28-26 to Wests Tigers.

Two wins in some winnable games would have changed their finals chances completely.

Brown is unconcerned about letting Ramien go. He stood up for his club, a fight that is not always returned but was this week.

In the days after Ramien got sacked several senior players call him.

You did the right thing, they said.
If his management are involved they need to be deregistered
 

Knight Vision

First Grade
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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...e/news-story/b9beca2d57a86f037201d447418d2cd3

The inside story of star recruit Jesse Ramien’s shock exit from Newcastle

Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph
August 2, 2019 10:01pm
Subscriber only
Nathan Brown took a swing for the coaches during the week.

He leaned way back on his back leg and balled up his fist and swung like it all depended on it when he sacked Jesse Ramien days before the biggest game of Newcastle’s season.

Ramien is 22 and a supreme talent.

He is everything, at his best, Newcastle need. A great threat on the edges, fast and big.

A year ago he was part of the NSW emerging Origin squad. Teams from around the league turned up on his door, batting their eyes with fat contracts and grand talk.

similars

Ramien breathed it in like he breathed air itself.

He committed to the Knights but almost immediately the fit was wrong. His form took off at Cronulla so much the Sharks wondered quietly if they could keep him.

The Knights weren’t budging. They had done a magnificent deal.


In this salary cap era the game is won and lost around value. The Knights paid an average $375,000 a year for Ramien and the way he finished the season with Cronulla they soon realised they had a player worth far more than that.

It began to be a problem when Ramien realised it, too.

He turned up in Newcastle and kicked a few stones because somewhere along the line somebody told him the Knights got him cheap and he knew he could have been earning more money.

It is always here that things get murky.

Nothing kills a player’s enthusiasm for his club more than the belief he is being underpaid.

Clubs can’t immediately rectify that, though. Salary caps are finely balanced. Money is limited.

The art of the deal is always timing.

Clubs will pay more for a young player hoping that, by the final year of his contract, he is providing value above what he is being paid to deliver. Pay now, reap later.

Ramien turned up at Newcastle believing he was already being underpaid.

If the game is the art of the deal, Brown had done a magnificent job.

But it was never that simple.

Three times the Knights got a call, from three rival clubs, saying Ramien’s camp had approached them saying he wasn’t happy and they were gauging interest to see if they were keen to take him.
Brown knew it could be a problem but his job was to coach and find a way to keep Ramien happy.

A fortnight ago the Knights fought for a time against Sydney Roosters before surrendering it away. They trailed by two points with 25 minutes left and lost 48-10.

Afterwards Brown, who likes to ask himself questions at his post-match press conference before he answers them, said, “Will we play a better team than the Roosters in the next month? Probably not, but there’s going to be some decisions asked of players that are going to be big factors in where we finish on the scoreboard.
“So we certainly can't ignore it".

Privately, Ramien was one of those players Brown was speaking of. Brown should have dropped Ramien then.

Ramien had committed what is among the great sins of professional sport; his teammates didn’t believe he tried hard enough.

This week Brown pulled the trigger.

Cronulla got a phone call from Ramien’s dad asking if there was still interest. The Sharks rang Newcastle to see if he was available.

Wednesday night after training Brown walked over to Ramien.

“I hear your dad is shopping you around?” he said.

“I don’t take that personally, and don’t take this personally, but go and pack your bags and go and play somewhere else where you’re happy with the money you’re on.”

Simple as that.

That it was done with no deal negotiated to lessen the cap pressure at Newcastle reveals the urgency the Knights believed he needed to go.

He sacked Ramien after the June 30 transfer and too late for Ramien to land elsewhere this season.

It reveals the strength of Brown’s decision.

Saturday afternoon’s result against Manly might well decide Newcastle’s season. The Knights are a win out of the top eight and are in the fight to their elbows, with half a dozen other clubs, to make the finals.

By sacking Ramien the week of such a vital game Brown could potentially have put himself in the firing line.

This is often how it begins.

Ramien’s exit was a sign of the new world in the NRL. Players, and increasingly their managers, carry tremendous power at most clubs.
A quiet phone call, a gathering of numbers, and suddenly they are away.

Few clubs have the strength to take on the playing group no matter how wrong they are, making coaches often the most disposable job in every the NRL.

Look at the Gold Coast.

The Titans players fell out of love with Neil Henry. The rebellion was led by Jarryd Hayne, in spirit if not action when Hayne and Henry fell out.

The club sided with Hayne.

Henry was gone and in came Garth Brennan.

Part of Brennan’s appeal was a special relationship, they said, with Ash Taylor, the Titans’ most crucial player now Hayne was gone.

That didn’t save him and Brennan was gone.

So the Titans playing group, which has done nothing that would resemble success, has seen off the coaching careers of two good men and taken no accountability for themselves.

Coaches are expendable.

It is easier and far cheaper to wheel in a new coach than it is to offload a core group of troublesome players.

That was the risk Brown faced this week. How would unloading a talent like Ramien affect his players?

Players know not only the value of talent but how necessary it is to win.

A backlash on the eve of an important game like this one could be devastating.

Ramien will go elsewhere and somebody will pay him what he believes he should have been getting at Newcastle.

The Knights will fight for their season this afternoon against Manly with a coach who knows his only mistake was not sacking Ramien earlier.

The week before the Roosters they lost to Canterbury, currently second last, and the week after they lost 28-26 to Wests Tigers.

Two wins in some winnable games would have changed their finals chances completely.

Brown is unconcerned about letting Ramien go. He stood up for his club, a fight that is not always returned but was this week.

In the days after Ramien got sacked several senior players call him.

You did the right thing, they said.
That's a very damning article on Ramien. With that attitude I doubt he'll reach the heights he's capable of.

For all his perceived faults there no doubting Browny has a large set of kahuna's on him

Well played Mr Brown
 

Mr_Knightside

Juniors
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If this article is true then Brown definitely made the right call and hopefully this also leads to a stronger playing group in the long run.

As much as this whole situation makes Ramien look bad I do feel a bit sorry for him because it sounds like he was being influenced by a number of people including his management and family members to look elsewhere.

Oh well hopefully this all works out better for both parties. Although knowing our luck he’ll win a comp at another club and score a bunch of tries against us and we will have another decade of wooden spoons.
 

perverse

Referee
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Oh well hopefully this all works out better for both parties. Although knowing our luck he’ll win a comp at another club and score a bunch of tries against us and we will have another decade of wooden spoons.
Oh yeah, absolutely add him to the list of players that will play out of his skin and make us look stupid every time we play against him. Doesn't make this the wrong call, though.
 

Knight Vision

First Grade
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I do feel a bit sorry for him
I dont feel sorry for him in the least. I feel more sorry for his team mates who have slogged a pre season and train hard, played through injury and give their all in the pursuit of winning a game only to look around and see this guy not giving a f**k.

If he wanted more money the best way to do it would have been having a crack, putting in the hard yards, busting a gut to win. Having a standout season and going to the club with cap in hand come seasons end.

On his showing in red and blue I prefer Hymel Hunt. A bloke on minimum wage that gives his all and shows more content of character in his foreskin than Ramien possesses in his entire merkin body.
 

Yosh

Coach
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11,916
Why not let him rot in reserve grade. Don't release him and take the salary cap hit. Don't want to see him whinge and get what he wants.
 

Knight Vision

First Grade
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5,066
from what I've read and remember seeing in an interview with Bellamy I doubt he is on the Storm radar. The Storm place character high on the must have list when recruiting.
 

Frederick

Moderator
Staff member
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Why not let him rot in reserve grade. Don't release him and take the salary cap hit. Don't want to see him whinge and get what he wants.
We're not forcing him out, he's quitting of his own volition and my understanding is that if he does that he's the one breaking the contract and we're not obligated to pay him anything
 

Yosh

Coach
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We're not forcing him out, he's quitting of his own volition and my understanding is that if he does that he's the one breaking the contract and we're not obligated to pay him anything

Yeah I wanna see him burn and crash and not see first grade for a couple of years haha.
 

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