Rumours and Stuff

[I'm a loser baby...]

For us that’s defence. The best attacking side (Melbourne) only scored an extra 2 points per game. Meanwhile we conceded 6.6 points per game more than Penrith. That should be our focus. Hopefully we find some defensive toilers among the new recruits.

So we didn't score as many points as Melbourne, which means we can improve there. I'm not suggesting it's a priority but it's an area that could be improved.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

It should be close to everything. Our attack was premiership quality. Our defence wasn’t.

Not that close. Maybe we're talking 10% here for inside the 20 attack, potentially.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So we didn't score as many points as Melbourne, which means we can improve there. I'm not suggesting it's a priority but it's an area that could be improved.

They had much better attacking players than we do. Munster, Grant and Smith are all awesome. If Papenhuyzen had played the full year I reckon they would have won it.

 

[yy_cheng]

This discussion derived from hodgo s including in the team compared to rheeds wide passing.


The more tries you score, the less time the opposition has the ball

Of course it doesn't matter where the try starts from but there is a psychological effect when you're always in the opposition 20 and can't score

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

They had much better attacking players than we do. Munster, Grant and Smith are all awesome. If Papenhuyzen had played the full year I reckon they would have won it.

Yeah maybe. Rosters matter. But the original discussion was about scoring inside the 20 or out. I don't think those players you mention have much different effect either way.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

This discussion derived from hodgo s including in the team compared to rheeds wide passing.


The more tries you score, the less time the opposition has the ball

Of course it doesn't matter where the try starts from but there is a psychological effect when you're always in the opposition 20 and can't score

There’s also a physical effect from controlling the ball. You wear the opposition down.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

There’s also a physical effect from controlling the ball. You wear the opposition down.

Are we still allowed to wear down?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah maybe. Rosters matter. But the original discussion was about scoring inside the 20 or out. I don't think those players you mention have much different effect either way.

Well we scored one more try than Penrith, with the same 52% possession as them. Melbourne scored one more try than we did with 51%

I don’t remember us scoring an especially high number of long range tries. But if you think the opposition converted possession inside the 20 better than we did it’s because when you were watching it was usually against our ordinary defence.

Over 24 rounds, against all teams (including the top defensive sides) nobody attacked much better than we did. I mean they might have, inside the 20, but the evidence doesn’t support it. I’d say we scored a lot from kicks, but that includes inside the 20, and they are still worth four points. When you have a good kicker you should use him. Souths don’t have a good kicker. We do.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Well we scored one more try than Penrith, with the same 52% possession as them. Melbourne scored one more try than we did with 51%

Inside the 20?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Inside the 20?

Why would it be any different? All our speedsters?

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Well we scored one more try than Penrith, with the same 52% possession as them. Melbourne scored one more try than we did with 51%

I don’t remember us scoring an especially high number of long range tries. But if you think the opposition converted possession inside the 20 better than we did it’s because when you were watching it was usually against our ordinary defence.

Over 24 rounds, against all teams (including the top defensive sides) nobody attacked much better than we did. I mean they might have, inside the 20, but the evidence doesn’t support it. I’d say we scored a lot from kicks, but that includes inside the 20, and they are still worth four points. When you have a good kicker you should use him. Souths don’t have a good kicker. We do.

I don't even know what the stats are and aren't claiming that we convert less often when we get inside the 20. But I know that's what they did show not too long ago. So I'm not arguing the stats, only that (you'll love this) we should be more granular. Break it down and work on various areas to see improvement.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Why would it be any different? All our speedsters?

Is it different?

 

[hindy111]

They had much better attacking players than we do. Munster, Grant and Smith are all awesome. If Papenhuyzen had played the full year I reckon they would have won it.

Lol. Penrith would of smashed them. They couldn't even beat Canberra at home. You saw what we did to Canberra and what Penrith did to us.
Storm limped into the finals. Paps wasn't turning them into a premiership side.

 

[lucablight]

They had much better attacking players than we do. Munster, Grant and Smith are all awesome. If Papenhuyzen had played the full year I reckon they would have won it.

I think Smith is overrated in attack. There’s a reason the Storm chose Grant over him.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Lol. Penrith would of smashed them. They couldn't even beat Canberra at home. You saw what we did to Canberra and what Penrith did to us.
Storm limped into the finals. Paps wasn't turning them into a premiership side.

We were strong against Canberra and weak in the grand final. We were better in week one against Penrith, and week two last year. The grand final was our worst finals performance since 2019. Our only good performance was at home vs Canberra, and they were poor. Rarely are both teams at their best.

But yes, Melbourne were also missing Welch.

 

[lucablight]

We were strong against Canberra and weak in the grand final. We were better in week one against Penrith, and week two last year. The grand final was our worst finals performance since 2019. Our only good performance was at home vs Canberra, and they were poor. Rarely are both teams at their best.

Penrith were pretty banged up during the finals in 2021. Might explain why every game was so close. They were fresh as daisies last season.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think Smith is overrated in attack. There’s a reason the Storm chose Grant over him.

Or is there a reason the Roosters chose him over Grant?

 

[lucablight]

Or is there a reason the Roosters chose him over Grant?

No way Melbourne were going to let Grant go. He’s just the better player and it was an easy choice.

 

[hindy111]

We were strong against Canberra and weak in the grand final. We were better in week one against Penrith, and week two last year. The grand final was our worst finals performance since 2019. Our only good performance was at home vs Canberra, and they were poor. Rarely are both teams at their best.

But yes, Melbourne were also missing Welch.

Penrith would of blown them off the park by 40+ You're on drugs if think Paps and Welch change them to a premiership side.

 

[hindy111]

No way Melbourne were going to let Grant go. He’s just the better player and it was an easy choice.

B.Smith had a poor 2022.