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With all that's happened and hindsight I wish fitzy was not as arrogant. he actually thought that he owned parra. He made so many enemies. Maybe if he wasn't so anal, change would not have been needed.I know you're close with Overton, Just wondering why he let do what he wanted? Or am I wrong. Things could have been different.... It's been one disaster after another.

Yes I am close with Alan, however we haven't spoken in a while.

I think if you ask a majority of people "In the Know" at the time, some would say Ovo had 3 solid votes, Fitzy had 4 solid votes on a 7 man board. If ever anyone though Fitzy overstepped the line, then that could swing, but if you would have to get 2 to swing because Fitzy could also vote at board meetings if required due to the operational laws of the organization.

Such a thing happened after Fitzy went out and put an offer to Hagan without notifying the board. So there were times he had the brakes applied but yes not that often and again that is down to politics.

For the most part though, people involved with voting at the club, looked at the teams overall performance (not premierships but at least competing for them) and the Leagues clubs overall performance, and felt no over ruling urge to "Right the Ship" so things continued on. However the disaster of 2008 took us down this unexplored path.
 

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Jake, if you can't read MITS piece, and then the stuff being dredged up , which mainly relate to the last dregs of the previous admin then I really doubt your reasons

There are some serious attempts to ruin the club from disgruntled now outsiders, they are vermin and deserve our scorn and venom. Your continued delight in blaming those who fell into the mess is legendary. You have smashed Sharp as he tried to try and turn the mess he and the current boats inherited around, only to be blindsided by those who leak and offer stories to journos like Prozenko to their selfish ends. I hope you are enjoying this as it certainly seems like it
 

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I noticed a kid with "Zibara" Merch on at the game last week, Struck me as odd, I hadn't seen it before, a Lightning bolt with the word acorss it, on the Shoulder interrupting the stripes.

They are a major sponsor of our junior operations I believe. Only found out earlier this year when I noticed it splashed out over all the marquees/tents at the trials.
 

phantom eel

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They are a major sponsor of our junior operations I believe. Only found out earlier this year when I noticed it splashed out over all the marquees/tents at the trials.
Interesting. Junior operations were until recently the realy of the Footy Club, which was a 3P domain, up until it had to be wound up... :sarcasm:
 
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Jake, if you can't read MITS piece, and then the stuff being dredged up , which mainly relate to the last dregs of the previous admin then I really doubt your reasons

There are some serious attempts to ruin the club from disgruntled now outsiders, they are vermin and deserve our scorn and venom. Your continued delight in blaming those who fell into the mess is legendary. You have smashed Sharp as he tried to try and turn the mess he and the current boats inherited around, only to be blindsided by those who leak and offer stories to journos like Prozenko to their selfish ends. I hope you are enjoying this as it certainly seems like it

I'm not enjoying this. I'll say it again, I want Sharp out he's had 4 years and all we've had is political crap on a scale we've never had before. I'll maintain that if nothing wrong has been done by this current admin then theres would be nothing to leak and no investigations need, no reforms needed. But it's the complete opposite mate. We have both fairfax and the news Corp going for the jugular. It all cannot be a conspiracy or an agenda. It's very rare that those two organisation even agree they are usually at each other necks trying to disprove each other.
 

Basil Brush

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Jake, if you can't read MITS piece, and then the stuff being dredged up , which mainly relate to the last dregs of the previous admin then I really doubt your reasons

There are some serious attempts to ruin the club from disgruntled now outsiders, they are vermin and deserve our scorn and venom. Your continued delight in blaming those who fell into the mess is legendary. You have smashed Sharp as he tried to try and turn the mess he and the current boats inherited around, only to be blindsided by those who leak and offer stories to journos like Prozenko to their selfish ends. I hope you are enjoying this as it certainly seems like it

Well said Delboy.

You obviously know your stuff and prob also know a fair bit going on within the club.

Great to read rational/intelligent posters.
 

Eelementary

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My idea is a 3 stage system. I haven't done calculations yet so don't hold me to numbers

1st stage - player salaries, allowances & other payments from club. There are set tiers of contracts, you must have set number of each and it's the same at every club. Example 3 players get $700k, 4 get $500k, etc. Perhaps there may be allowance if club doesn't want 3 top tier players, they can have an extra tier 2 and upgrade tier 4 to tier 3, whatever it is, as I said haven't done calcs, but there has to be enough disparity between the tiers to encourage distribution of talent, but not so much to cause player group issues. The cap could be the same as it is now, less or more but should probably be tied to broadcast deal. So players' overall salary is the same at every club.

2nd stage - "TPAs" sourced from anywhere except can't be guaranteed by club & can't be in a direct relationship with club e.g. Rusty can't fork over his own money to Burgess. Other than those rules if Dyldam want to sponsor the club & Norman, they can. Player can introduce their own, sponsors can choose their sponsoree or clubs can direct sponsorship to certain players. This is also where NRL exemptions & allowances are included for long term juniors, etc. There would also be exemptions for certain sponsors, commonly the larger corporations who are sponsoring the player regardless of where they play. There has to be a limit set high enough to encourage increased pay to the entire playing group, but low enough that it doesn't just become a 'who has the wealthiest fans' battle. Also there'd be a determination from the NRL if a player is getting substantial sponsorship then his player salary tier suggest he should.

3rd stage - The above the "TPA" limit payments. So if you go above the 2nd stage limit, you aren't breaching, instead the club gets taxed dollar for dollar the amount it goes over the cap by and that money gets distributed to every player at clubs who didn't go over limit, based on player salary up to their respective club's 2nd stage limit. There would then be a hard cap at this stage, which would be breach for going over, automatic fine plus tax plus potential points deduction.

It's probably not too far distant except the last stage to what is effectively happening at the moment, but I reckon having it set, known to the fans & stupidarse media will make it more transparent and do a better job of evening talent than it currently is

I like it.

But my only concern is that, theoretically, players could oppose this idea by declaring it limits their earning potential.

If Terry Hill was able to block a draft by using that excuse, then I worry how long it would take a player (and his agent) to declare that they shouldn't be limited to tier 4 or 5 - regardless of TPA's.

It might also give a leg-up to the clubs with great TPA systems already in place - get a bloke to agree to sign for $500,000, when he would be worth $700,000 elsewhere, and top up the rest with TPA's.

But I like your thinking.

Perhaps the NRL, in the interest of a fair and equal competition, should start determining minimum values for players, and enforcing them - but then, I suppose, players would whinge that their financial affairs are public, and they have the right to privacy.
 

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I like it.

But my only concern is that, theoretically, players could oppose this idea by declaring it limits their earning potential.

If Terry Hill was able to block a draft by using that excuse, then I worry how long it would take a player (and his agent) to declare that they shouldn't be limited to tier 4 or 5 - regardless of TPA's.

It might also give a leg-up to the clubs with great TPA systems already in place - get a bloke to agree to sign for $500,000, when he would be worth $700,000 elsewhere, and top up the rest with TPA's.

But I like your thinking.

Perhaps the NRL, in the interest of a fair and equal competition, should start determining minimum values for players, and enforcing them - but then, I suppose, players would whinge that their financial affairs are public, and they have the right to privacy.

f**k 'em.
Make public their salaries and tell them if they don't like it then don't play in the NRL.
I don't hear any NFL players complaining about how everyone knows how much they earn.
NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, EPL - just about every major sporting league in the world has their players' contract details made public. Why wouldn't it work for the NRL?
 
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