Smith v Hagan - who is Mr Popular?

[Ron Jeremy]

No doubt he had to offload fine players, but nobody said he had to keep sh*t players like tanner, brown, hall, Carmont.
Edit * - Thus you see smiths problem this year ;-)


Kidley was never on a massive amount, wolly either.

Carmont seems fine to me, and the others are fringe players on little amount which every club has for depth, we had it as well. Do you want me to name them:lol:

See Hagan didn't need to spend overs to retain Kidley;-)

Actually, it was the knights couldn't afford to pay their players. Nothing about not spending to the cap. That was prior to us gaining a main sponsor and joining with Wests.


Ron, your campaign against Smith is just getting tiresome...

Hmmm, i didn't say it was concrete just curious. Although that statement does contradict itself...

 

[Ron Jeremy]

But Hages wasn't responsible for the spoon right:?

Absolutely, every coach is. However my argument is that it only boiled down to servere injury problems rather then poor coaching. Actually that is the case. That year Newcastle still managed to beat most of the best sides regardless of coming last, hell they even beat us at home.

 

[The Camden Leisure Pirate]

That's because Johns sucked the life out of their salary cap. BK and Tahu were the first players affected.

If this is actually the case (which I'd say is highly unlikely) How
could we afford to offer and pay Kirk "Clown Shoes" Reynoldson more than
we ever offered BK to stay?

Which I might add was a decision made by Hagan.

 

[goboggo]

Thats what all coaches are suppose to do, and the reason why others are runing around elsewhere eg Cayless, Ryan, Tonga is that Smith thought he had better. Thats very arguable.

We could get into an argument on the whys of at least two of the names you mentioned, but I'll say that that is almost the first thing of sense you've said re: Brian Smith. Yes it is arguable who all coaches keep. It's also a matter of balancing the cap, and balancing the squad. Sometimes Smith has got it right, sometimes not. His record will say that he gets it right most times, especially considering that we never break the cap.

Who? Gould?

No, I've never heard Gould actually say that. Wayne Pearce, Nathan Brown, Steve Folkes.

Yep what would John Monie know hey if your refereing to that 88 president cup squad, and David Penna, Mahon etc did have reasonably succesful careers.

Rubbish. And compared to their potential - absolute rubbish.

Also, Parramatta had financial problems which didn't help our club in the late 80's/80's and retaining Sterlo to a huge amount only to loose him straight away stuffed as right up.

You mean kind of like the Knights losing Johns this year? Honestly, could you do any worse at this debating thing? The more you talk the more you show how much sh*t you talk.

A Johns has come out and said he played his best football under Hagan and loearnt so much. Many have said the same thing at Parramatta about Hagan, all coaches offer alot to players, some learn more some dont.

All coaches? What, including Smith?

OK:lol: they came 4th last year remember.

This is your answer for everything. I think you seriously underestimate how rebuilding works.

See Hagan didn't need to spend overs to retain Kidley;-)

Just like Smith didn't need to spend overs to retain the youngsters he brought through. Spending overs is usually required to get people to move, not stay.

However my argument is that it only boiled down to servere injury problems rather then poor coaching. Actually that is the case. That year Newcastle still managed to beat most of the best sides regardless of coming last, hell they even beat us at home.

What, like how they suffered injuries this year. Like how they beat us at home this year?

You complete muppet.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

We could get into an argument on the whys of at least two of the names you mentioned, but I'll say that that is almost the first thing of sense you've said re: Brian Smith. Yes it is arguable who all coaches keep. It's also a matter of balancing the cap, and balancing the squad. Sometimes Smith has got it right, sometimes not. His record will say that he gets it right most times, especially considering that we never break the cap.



No, I've never heard Gould actually say that. Wayne Pearce, Nathan Brown, Steve Folkes.

Pitty the players haven't rated him for the past 5 years in the annual polls:lol:

Rubbish. And compared to their potential - absolute rubbish.

Ok

You mean kind of like the Knights losing Johns this year? Honestly, could you do any worse at this debating thing? The more you talk the more you show how much sh*t you talk.

See this where YOU have no f**king idea. The reason why it's brought up is that Newcastle fans stated time and time again that with Smith they wont need a HalfbacK! so do some more research instead of cruising porn sites.

All coaches? What, including Smith?

Wow your a smart one.....

This is your answer for everything. I think you seriously underestimate how rebuilding works.

Yep, because Newcastle didn't need Johns so they should still be fourth.

Rebuilding? like Parramatta this year right?:lol:

Just like Smith didn't need to spend overs to retain the youngsters he brought through. Spending overs is usually required to get people to move, not stay.

Michael Witt:lol:

What, like how they suffered injuries this year. Like how they beat us at home this year?

You complete muppet.

Again your the muppet, i have stated in other threads Newcastles demise because of Injury and not Smith!

 

[Frederick]

The reason why it's brought up is that Newcastle fans stated time and time again that with Smith they wont need a HalfbacK!

Really? Well perhaps you'd like to provide proof of where we've stated time and time again that with Smith here we don't even need a halfback, huh?

 

[Frederick]

i have stated in other threads Newcastles demise because of Injury and not Smith!

My arse you have. You're constantly harping on about how Smith's taken a team that finished 4th last year and has them running 15th this year.

Not only are you going round and round in circles with your non-sensical arguments, now you're even contradicting yourself...not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, are you Ron?

 

[goboggo]

Pitty the players haven't rated him for the past 5 years in the annual polls:lol:

Wow, sinking low resorting to the polls. The polls made by players that never have had an offer to play for him? Funny how he keeps getting people to come to the club.

What the f**k would players know about building a club. Most of them can barely get through an interview.

See this where YOU have no f**king idea. The reason why it's brought up is that Newcastle fans stated time and time again that with Smith they wont need a HalfbacK! so do some more research instead of cruising porn sites.

LOL!! So witty.

Mate I think you'll find that they think they won't need a halback of John's calibre (and they won't because there is none). I'm sure they won't want Smith to be throwing away their two young halves now just because he is coaching.

Wow your a smart one.....

Compared to you I'm Stephen f**king Hawking.

Yep, because Newcastle didn't need Johns so they should still be fourth.

Rebuilding? like Parramatta this year right?:lol:

We didn't lose the best halfback of all time (cue your genius response that he wasn't much good recently anyway) who is taking up a big stack of the salary cap, and we certainly didn't have as many nuffies running around alongside that one bloke.

Oh, and we didn't need to rebuild so much because we had a great group of youngsters come through the system, which you can put down to either a) good luck (that's your version), or b) good management (I'm going 80/20 towards this one).

Michael Witt:lol:

???

Again your the muppet, i have stated in other threads Newcastles demise because of Injury and not Smith!

Really? Now if we can only get you to admit the other stuff you've been saying is rubbish...

 

[salivor]

Correction Fred, in this very thread:

hahahaha at this thread and Newcastle fans

4th last year

71 point defeats this year bahahaaha

Smith was the 4th or 5th choice coach, and from the countless thrashings it is easy to see why lol

 

[doggone]

I'm exhausted after reading this tread.

Let Smith do his job. Give the guy a break.:crazy:

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Really? Well perhaps you'd like to provide proof of where we've stated time and time again that with Smith here we don't even need a halfback, huh?

I dont need too, go to your wankfest at the start of the year in which Newy fans said that Smith doesn't rely on one player or in this example one halfback.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

My arse you have. You're constantly harping on about how Smith's taken a team that finished 4th last year and has them running 15th this year.

Not only are you going round and round in circles with your non-sensical arguments, now you're even contradicting yourself...not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, are you Ron?

Yes he has, but even with injuries they still should've peformed alot better.

Contradicting?

I am hence why you need a hundred of you too prove me wrong and remove access to Newcastle links:lol: so i cannot drag up:lol:

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Correction Fred, in this very thread:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[salivor]

How can you expect Smith to do better? As I've said to you earlier in the thread, look at Hagans record without Johns, it's attrocious. Smith lost Johns just 5 matches into the season plus a terrible rate of injuries and you expect him to do better? When Hagan was faced with similar circumstances he took out the spoon.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Wow, sinking low resorting to the polls. The polls made by players that never have had an offer to play for him? Funny how he keeps getting people to come to the club.

What the f**k would players know about building a club. Most of them can barely get through an interview.

HAHAHAHAHAHA the players opinions matter more then yours dildo:lol:

LOL!! So witty.

Mate I think you'll find that they think they won't need a halback of John's calibre (and they won't because there is none). I'm sure they won't want Smith to be throwing away their two young halves now just because he is coaching.

Thanks to Hagan they have those two halves

Compared to you I'm Stephen f**king Hawking.

Like f**k you are:lol:

We didn't lose the best halfback of all time (cue your genius response that he wasn't much good recently anyway) who is taking up a big stack of the salary cap, and we certainly didn't have as many nuffies running around alongside that one bloke.

Yep, better argument then yours.

Oh, and we didn't need to rebuild so much because we had a great group of youngsters come through the system, which you can put down to either a) good luck (that's your version), or b) good management (I'm going 80/20 towards this one).

Good management eg 2002-2004, 2006, 2007:lol:

 

[Ron Jeremy]

How can you expect Smith to do better? As I've said to you earlier in the thread, look at Hagans record without Johns, it's attrocious. Smith lost Johns just 5 matches into the season plus a terrible rate of injuries and you expect him to do better? When Hagan was faced with similar circumstances he took out the spoon.

Look at Brisbanes without Lockyer.

Only once, 2004 he played 3 games.

 

[salivor]

Look at Brisbanes without Lockyer.

Only once, 2004 he played 3 games.

Yes I believe you've already tried to make this point that you think Brisbane is sh*t without Lockyer so therefore the Knights are sh*t without Johns. And Newcastle this year are sh*t as they are without Johns which therefore has no reflection on Brian Smith if it didn't have any reflection on Hagan. Have I made your point for you? So in conclusion your statement:

Yes he has, but even with injuries they still should've peformed alot better.

was incorrect according to you.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Yes I believe you've already tried to make this point that you think Brisbane is sh*t without Lockyer so therefore the Knights are sh*t without Johns. And Newcastle this year are sh*t as they are without Johns which therefore has no reflection on Brian Smith if it didn't have any reflection on Hagan. Have I made your point for you? So in conclusion your statement:

was incorrect according to you.

Yep i agree, but as i said the lack of passion at the club is worse then anything under Hagan, just ask Burderus.

 

[salivor]

Why is there lack of passion? Because Smith is cutting ordinary fringe first graders on inflated contracts that got a first class ride under Hagan.

 

[Red Bear]

Hagen - luckiest coach around. Handed a premiership team built by Warren Ryan for his first season at Newcastle which has slowly but surely been turned to sh*t. Then comes to Parra and gets to ride on the coatails of Smith and to a lesser extent Taylor's good work. Smith on the other hand came to Parra at a time where they were sh*t and bulit them up to some of the best sides to not win a premiership of the last decade or so, now stuck with the job of post-Andrew Johns Newcaslte as we see what type of players many of them really are.