Southern Orcas (NZ2)

[Colk]

I didn't say any of that. I said ARL were loathe to act. Ur making case game was in trouble in early 90's but were happy with side that showed no interest in moving game forward. I don't think you ppl know what you're arguing for..




Saturation thing is just a creation of ppl on this board who prefer dots on map. Clubs would've have moved already to gosford or the gong if the world worked like that. Businesses want a presence in Sydney so it's still more lucrative there.

I don’t know what you’re arguing. Something had to give. It wasn’t sustainable for a professional competition to have 11 sides in the one city without some massive financial windfall from a third party; notionally a TV deal or some rich private interests investing in each club. It’s unfortunate but it has happened in other sports as well after going from an amateur or semi-professional to a professional competition.

Also, as other posters are showing you, there were reports going around regarding the rationalisation of Sydney clubs. Also, as you pointed out yourself, expansion clubs were paying for the costs of travel and accomodation for Sydney clubs; highlighting how some Sydney clubs weren’t fit to run professional sporting teams.

Whether Super League occurred or not, it was inevitable that some of these Sydney teams would have had to face a choice; whether they were acted on by the ARL or just from market forces and competition. It’s a shame what did happen essentially, as natural death rather than meeting some prescribed standards by the peace deal, would have made for a less acrimonious result (it is what the ARL were probably wishing for - add teams from around the country and some of the Sydney clubs would have died/relocated/merged of their own volition because they couldn’t keep up)

 

[Colk]

Also dots on a map is a rather flippant way of describing what some people are advocating. Essentially it’s coming from a desire to expand the game and achieve some financial success through going to markets that have potential (so no we aren’t talking about Byron Bay side). Surely you can understand that putting in a team from Perth or Adelaide or another NZ side has more potential upside than putting in a tenth Sydney side.

 

[MugaB]

Also dots on a map is a rather flippant way of describing what some people are advocating. Essentially it’s coming from a desire to expand the game and achieve some financial success through going to markets that have potential (so no we aren’t talking about Byron Bay side). Surely you can understand that putting in a team from Perth or Adelaide or another NZ side has more potential upside than putting in a tenth Sydney side.

Flippant yes, but to ignore 8 million PNG pop over 2-3 million pop in the FAAR western ALF obsessed states who barely play competitive RL is a travesty, and to promote NZ2 without a bidder or based city (it will end up being a greater North Island area= Hamilton or BoP) not Christchurch or Wellington... who are you all kidding this is Rugba Lig

 

[Colk]

Flippant yes, but to ignore 8 million PNG pop over 2-3 million pop in the FAAR western ALF obsessed states who barely play competitive RL is a travesty, and to promote NZ2 without a bidder or based city (it will end up being a greater North Island area= Hamilton or BoP) not Christchurch or Wellington... who are you all kidding this is Rugba Lig

PNG already are obsessed with Rugby League and there isn’t the infrastructure or the money. Unfortunately it is also a third world country and not safe.

Maybe in 20 years or so.

 

[MugaB]

PNG already are obsessed with Rugby League and there isn’t the infrastructure or the money. Unfortunately it is also a third world country and not safe.

Maybe in 20 years or so.

That's not right, just coz your already a fan of something doesnt mean you go elsewhere to get those who aren't and ignore the hardcore fans, calling a whole country 3rd world doesn't right them off to having a chance to create a new presence i the league.. there are work arounds especially when cairns were happy to go joint franchise for a bid...
It's like saying Perths too far away so why bother, or Adelaide failed, so fk it... gotta try

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

That's not right, just coz your already a fan of something doesnt mean you go elsewhere to get those who aren't and ignore the hardcore fans, calling a whole country 3rd world doesn't right them off to having a chance to create a new presence i the league.. there are work arounds especially when cairns were happy to go joint franchise for a bid...
It's like saying Perths too far away so why bother, or Adelaide failed, so fk it... gotta try

What more would a PNG NRL franchise do and achieve that the current Queensland cup hunters side doesn’t?

Also whats the average wage of someone from png compared to someone from Perth Or Adelaide etc?

 

[MugaB]

What more would a PNG NRL franchise do and achieve that the current Queensland cup hunters side doesn’t?

Also whats the average wage of someone from png compared to someone from Perth Or Adelaide etc?

None of that matters wages and achievements, you want to be part of the top league, like redcliffe have strived for, just like bears want back in, same as the disenfranchised rams and reds... there's no reason not to have dreams to aspire to.. just coz png has crime and is 3rd world, makes them no different to mt druitt or townsville, both rated the worst towns in aus, also have teams represented by them im panthers and cowboys

 

[Colk]

None of that matters wages and achievements, you want to be part of the top league, like redcliffe have strived for, just like bears want back in, same as the disenfranchised rams and reds... there's no reason not to have dreams to aspire to.. just coz png has crime and is 3rd world, makes them no different to mt druitt or townsville, both rated the worst towns in aus, also have teams represented by them im panthers and cowboys

PNG is a lot worse than Townsville. The average person earns about $50 per week. People have to be able to afford to watch them play

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

None of that matters wages and achievements, you want to be part of the top league, like redcliffe have strived for, just like bears want back in, same as the disenfranchised rams and reds... there's no reason not to have dreams to aspire to.. just coz png has crime and is 3rd world, makes them no different to mt druitt or townsville, both rated the worst towns in aus, also have teams represented by them im panthers and cowboys

Mt druitt doesn’t have an NRL franchise and they don’t plan on having one whilst Townsville doesn’t have 3rd world wages/income disposable and crime rates.

Everything that can be achieved in PNG can be achieved with the Queensland cup hunters franchise. In fact a lot more could be achieved if the hunters teamed up with a current NRL franchise and if they(hunters) ran junior teams at u18&u20 level in the Queensland competitions.

 

[TGG]

That's not right, just coz your already a fan of something doesnt mean you go elsewhere to get those who aren't and ignore the hardcore fans, calling a whole country 3rd world doesn't right them off to having a chance to create a new presence i the league.. there are work arounds especially when cairns were happy to go joint franchise for a bid...
It's like saying Perths too far away so why bother, or Adelaide failed, so fk it... gotta try

If one area is dependent on another area to be able to run a professional club then that fits area isn’t ready for a professional club.

 

[Perth Red]

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Mt druitt doesn’t have an NRL franchise and they don’t plan on having one whilst Townsville doesn’t have 3rd world wages/income disposable and crime rates.

Everything that can be achieved in PNG can be achieved with the Queensland cup hunters franchise. In fact a lot more could be achieved if the hunters teamed up with a current NRL franchise and if they(hunters) ran junior teams at u18&u20 level in the Queensland competitions.

Cough perth cough
pairing PNG and Perth fills the only weakness in a WA club and would seriously help grow the game in PNG and on the international stage with a strong gear kumuLS. on the corporate front there’s plenty of wa mining related companies with interests in both locations that might be interested in funding a genuine pathway program.

 

[The Great Dane]

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Cough perth cough
pairing PNG and Perth fills the only weakness in a WA club and would seriously help grow the game in PNG and on the international stage with a strong gear kumuLS. on the corporate front there’s plenty of wa mining related companies with interests in both locations that might be interested in funding a genuine pathway program.

Designating regions for clubs to look after as 'theirs' is so stupid and outdated.

If you want the best outcome for RL in PNG then you want everybody that is willing working in that market and developing NRL standard players.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

Designating regions for clubs to look after as 'theirs' is so stupid and outdated.

If you want the best outcome for RL in PNG then you want everybody that is willing working in that market and developing NRL standard players.

You mean like NRL clubs investing money into digicel cup teams?

 

[The Great Dane]

You mean like NRL clubs investing money into digicel cup teams?

I mean you could do that sort of thing, but I honestly think the best thing in PNG's case would be for the NRL to allow RL in PNG to develop as independently as possible while heavily scouting it's league for players with NRL potential.

In other words more of a hands off approach in the hopes that PNG can develop it's own sustainable pro league and development systems of some standard in the longer term.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

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Cough perth cough
pairing PNG and Perth fills the only weakness in a WA club and would seriously help grow the game in PNG and on the international stage with a strong gear kumuLS. on the corporate front there’s plenty of wa mining related companies with interests in both locations that might be interested in funding a genuine pathway program.

Obviously this all depends on whether Perth ever get into the NRL which isn’t a certainty unfortunately but it’s a good proposal All the same.

Id also team Perth up with the kaiviti silktails as well.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

If the plan of the NRL over the next 20 years is to fully expand to a 20 team competition like that of 1995 then the next 3 teams must cover the next big 3 markets that are currently untapped namely Perth, Adelaide and Christchurch.

Areas like Illawarra must be represented by the dragons fulltime in Wollongong and the central coast by manly but with the redevelopment of brookvale that’s looking highly unlikely.

Although it’s highly unlikely I’d also like to see the west tigers breakup and for the balmain side to relocate to Brisbane to become the Brisbane tigers and for wests to merge with the bulldogs to become the western bulldogs/west Sydney bulldogs.

 

[Perth Red]

Designating regions for clubs to look after as 'theirs' is so stupid and outdated.

If you want the best outcome for RL in PNG then you want everybody that is willing working in that market and developing NRL standard players.

Without a defined pathway and direct nrl club linkages it has limited effect, all of the evidence proves this.

 

[Perth Red]

If the plan of the NRL over the next 20 years is to fully expand to a 20 team competition like that of 1995 then the next 3 teams must cover the next big 3 markets that are currently untapped namely Perth, Adelaide and Christchurch.

Areas like Illawarra must be represented by the dragons fulltime in Wollongong and the central coast by manly but with the redevelopment of brookvale that’s looking highly unlikely.

Although it’s highly unlikely I’d also like to see the west tigers breakup and for the balmain side to relocate to Brisbane to become the Brisbane tigers and for wests to merge with the bulldogs to become the western bulldogs/west Sydney bulldogs.

Christchurch isnt a big market. It’s barely bigger than Wollongong And that isnt big enough to sustain a $30 million a year nrl club despite it being rl heartland, As opposed to Christchurch where rl is a secondary sport. .

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

Christchurch isnt a big market. It’s barely bigger than Wollongong And that isnt big enough to sustain a $30 million a year nrl club despite it being rl heartland, As opposed to Christchurch where rl is a secondary sport. .

I think the NRL look at NZ2 in terms of the whole of NZ with fans and players.

 

[Dark Corner]

If the plan of the NRL over the next 20 years is to fully expand to a 20 team competition like that of 1995 then the next 3 teams must cover the next big 3 markets that are currently untapped namely Perth, Adelaide and Christchurch.

Areas like Illawarra must be represented by the dragons fulltime in Wollongong and the central coast by manly but with the redevelopment of brookvale that’s looking highly unlikely.

Although it’s highly unlikely I’d also like to see the west tigers breakup and for the balmain side to relocate to Brisbane to become the Brisbane tigers and for wests to merge with the bulldogs to become the western bulldogs/west Sydney bulldogs.

Any other Sydney team do you think could move to Central Coast full time ?