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stevie013

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Yeah but Newman & you agree.
I think I know whats happening, its my ULTRA-IGNORE setting is completely removing someboy from the conversation. Its awesome


and? i agree with some things you say as well. does it matter who i agree with and disagree with?
 

redback

Bench
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and? i agree with some things you say as well. does it matter who i agree with and disagree with?

Not at all mate. Just because you or I disagree with someone it shouldn't be an issue. I just think that Newman should practice what he preaches. Thats all.
 

gunnamatta bay

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Seems like a positive to me.
http://www.theleader.com.au/news/lo...ars-to-finish-major-road-upgrade/2602414.aspx
Three years to finish major road upgrade
BY KATE CARR
27 Jun, 2012 08:15 AM
SUTHERLAND Shire Council is set to begin work on the $6.8 million upgrade of Captain Cook Drive in less than a week.
Work on stage one of the three-stage upgrade is scheduled to begin next month.

The project involves widening a two-kilometre section of Captain Cook Drive between Woolooware and Elouera roads from two lanes to four lanes with a bicycle/breakdown lane on each side.

The upgraded section of road will be raised to reduce flooding, and the existing off-road shared path on the southern side of Captain Cook Drive will be upgraded to a concrete path. The upgrade is expected to be completed by September 2015.

Stage one costs $4.67 million and involves road widening and laying a temporary surface. In stage two, the existing road will be raised to create the bicycle path/breakdown lane, the road surface will be finished in stage three.

Sutherland Shire mayor Carol Provan said the project needed to be staged because the road was being built over a swamp and needed to be given time to settle.

The council is planning to use fill generated from other road projects to raise the road.
 

redback

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Seems like a positive to me.
http://www.theleader.com.au/news/lo...ars-to-finish-major-road-upgrade/2602414.aspx
Three years to finish major road upgrade
BY KATE CARR
27 Jun, 2012 08:15 AM
SUTHERLAND Shire Council is set to begin work on the $6.8 million upgrade of Captain Cook Drive in less than a week.
Work on stage one of the three-stage upgrade is scheduled to begin next month.

The project involves widening a two-kilometre section of Captain Cook Drive between Woolooware and Elouera roads from two lanes to four lanes with a bicycle/breakdown lane on each side.

The upgraded section of road will be raised to reduce flooding, and the existing off-road shared path on the southern side of Captain Cook Drive will be upgraded to a concrete path. The upgrade is expected to be completed by September 2015.

Stage one costs $4.67 million and involves road widening and laying a temporary surface. In stage two, the existing road will be raised to create the bicycle path/breakdown lane, the road surface will be finished in stage three.

Sutherland Shire mayor Carol Provan said the project needed to be staged because the road was being built over a swamp and needed to be given time to settle.

The council is planning to use fill generated from other road projects to raise the road.

Anyone know when the upgrade was first mooted? Was it before the development application?
 

carcharias

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They are too close to the grave to give a f**k about that.

Someone needs to start a how to vote these old merkins out thread.

Can't see any of redbacks dribble, so don't think I am responding to any of his crap.
 
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stevie013

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Not at all mate. Just because you or I disagree with someone it shouldn't be an issue. I just think that Newman should practice what he preaches. Thats all.

my comments were directed elsewhere, and im not playing their game. the info is there in black and white. i have read through it all and made my own mind up about the development and i like what i see. have a look at the transport part, and the response to their submission about how it can be handled.

what you say above is right. it shouldnt be an issue. but some like to make an issue out of nothing unfortunately.

and in answer to your question above about the road upgrades, iirc it was mooted before the development. i could be wrong though. im not going to dig up the info, im going out for a beer, im in brisbane for a game of footy tomorrow night.
 

redback

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my comments were directed elsewhere, and im not playing their game. the info is there in black and white. i have read through it all and made my own mind up about the development and i like what i see. have a look at the transport part, and the response to their submission about how it can be handled.

what you say above is right. it shouldnt be an issue. but some like to make an issue out of nothing unfortunately.

and in answer to your question above about the road upgrades, iirc it was mooted before the development. i could be wrong though. im not going to dig up the info, im going out for a beer, im in brisbane for a game of footy tomorrow night.

Cheers stevie013. I was thinking if it was mooted after the development then I would see it as more of a positive.
 

newman

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f**k u are a narky lil bitch aren't you.

Bitch?

Who are you grub? I've done nothing but try to answer your constant questions and criticisms. As has been said to you a million times you can contact the club and find this shit out for yourself but you continue to come on here and question and snipe from behind the veil of anonymity. Hero.

Just remember that the people who you constantly infer are incompetent are people that I know personally and have a good working relationship with and a level of professional respect. Expect people do get pissed off when you suggest that they would make the most rookie of errors.

Hero.
 

newman

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What truth? I'm a member of the development support committee. Many people who I actually know on here can confirm that I DO NOT work for the club.

Nobody knows who you are because you are an anonymous keyboard hero.
 

redback

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What truth? I'm a member of the development support committee. Many people who I actually know on here can confirm that I DO NOT work for the club.

Nobody knows who you are because you are an anonymous keyboard hero.

As far as I'm concerned you are anonymous. Although you do have tickets on yourself.
 

Megalodon

Juniors
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Very amusing discourse.

As has been said here before; know what you're talking about - read.

Visit http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.gov.au/index.pl?action=view_job&job_id=4485 to read all the documentation so as to equip yourself with knowledge.

Let that knowledge then be the basis by which you form an opinion.

In the meantime, until the Department of Planning has tabled its recommendation it is entirely pointless to postulate on what-if, could-be or maybe.

The Development Consortium, who are professionals in this area and who have sourced expert advice from a variety of different professionals as well, have managed this process thoroughly and transparently throughout.

As was mentioned in Murray Trembath's article in The Leader last week, a recommendation from the Department of Planning is imminent. The PAC will take into account the recommendation of that report as well as every stitch of information that has been tabled both publicly and privately along the way.

I know people are anxious and nervous about the outcome of this process but having a big stink over the issue on this forum is not going to speed up a determination or achieve any particular desired outcome.

It's purely a matter of wait and see and then play the cards that are dealt.
 

Eion

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It may have been mentioned before,but the council agreeing to a extend the 4 lanes from Woolooware to Cronulla High,has to be a plus.

Caltex looks like it will be long term ,just a storage facility and not a refining one,which reduces traffic flow,as does the big reduction in the number of sand trucks ,currentl stuffing up CC Drive.
I just don't want these negative clowns in Council,some with agendas (one in particular)to win in the long term.

I have been following this club too long,it has aged me,I have sunk some of my hard earned when the club was on a knife's edge,and the thought of a few ego trippers who have little idea of the future getting their way,would rip me in the guts. I have a long memory,should the next elections come around.:sch:

Your chance will be 8 September. I will be voting in my first council elections.
 

gunnamatta bay

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Councils to lose approval rights over developments
Matthew Moore
June 28, 2012

RADICAL changes proposed for the state's planning system to be revealed within weeks are set to include measures to curb the role of local government councillors in refusing or approving developments.

The Minister for Planning, Brad Hazzard, has revealed his concerns that local government councillors often determine developments according to what suits their personal political interests rather than on the merits of the proposal.

For the second day in a row, Mr Hazzard addressed a developer lobby group to discuss the green paper to be released next month which will outline a new planning system for the state likely to become law early in the new year.

Mr Hazzard told an Urban Taskforce lunch he believes local government councillors should be involved in setting planning frameworks for their area but should have no role in assessing individual developments.

''I am very supportive of keeping the politicians, as far as is humanly possible, out of development assessment decisions,'' he said.

About a dozen of 152 NSW councils have appointed independent panels to determine major applications and Mr Hazzard strongly supported that approach.

''The 139 that have not done it, think about it, because your elected officials should be dealing with the broad strategic issues … not dealing with individual development applications,'' he said.

With council elections in September, Mr Hazzard said there would be the usual rush of councils heading to the Land and Environment Court to fight applications because it suited their political interests. He flagged the green paper would include measures to keep councillors from making decisions based on what was in their personal political interests.

''It is time to get a fairer system, a more proactive system, and one that does not waste ratepayers' money,'' he said.

''They have to understand it is their job to produce proper merit-based decisions in the current system and one of those ways is for professional people to support that exercise.''

Developers defended Mr Hazzard's plans, outlined in the Herald yesterday, for a system providing them with more certainty for their projects. The system would see communities consulted extensively to reach agreement on a planning regime for a specific area so that once it was reached developers could build without each project turning into what Mr Hazzard called ''site-specific planning wars''.

The chief executive of lobby group the Urban Development Institute, Stephen Albin, said the community had lost faith in the existing system and the government's plans could change that.

"It means communities will not only have greater certainty as to what can take place, and will also give communities greater ownership of the end result,'' he said.

But the opposition planning spokeswoman, Linda Burney, predicted the changes would remove power from communities to block developments.

Although the former Labor premier Kristina Keneally praised the NSW planning system was the best in the country, Ms Burney said she agreed a new law was needed to replace one so cumbersome and unwieldy.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/councils-...evelopments-20120627-212w8.html#ixzz1z88VsFnW
 

carcharias

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I got stuff going through council at the moment waiting to be approved.
Been 4 weeks so far ...looking at another 2 apparently.

wft?

6 weeks for a pissy little extension.
merkins.
 

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