Team list Tuesday Rd 10 v Roosters

[emjaycee]

Probably because we haven't made it to that stage in 8 previous years.
That's not acceptable for a club of our stature.
36 years without a comp is even worse.
Something has to change.
The front office is sorted so it's now up to the players and coaching staff to take us to the next level.
In my mind, nothing but a grand final appearance this year for Arthur could save is ass.

I am not saying I disagree with you on us needing to make the GF for BA to keep his job, but hypothetically, if we make the prelim and lose because the ref misses a blatant Kikau knock-on or Moses hits the post with a match winning field goal, do we get rid of BA?

This is where luck and sometimes things out of the control of the coach come into play in determining game day results. Why would it be sensible to them blame the coach?

 

[Suitman]

I am not saying I disagree with you on us needing to make the GF for BA to keep his job, but hypothetically, if we make the prelim and lose because the ref misses a blatant Kikau knock-on or Moses hits the post with a match winning field goal, do we get rid of BA?

This is where luck and sometimes things out of the control of the coach come into play in determining game day results. Why would it be sensible to them blame the coach?

And I don't disagree with your thoughts as well. I think it was big Jack Gibson who once said "good teams make their own luck". I'm past the stage of "hypotheticals".

But next year will be year 10 of Arthur. I like him as a person and a coach, but how long do we continue without success? By success, I mean a Premiership. It's what we are all craving, right?
Sometimes, just a change of direction is needed. B Smith had 10 years and he had become stale.
10 years is more than enough time to give a coach, who hasn't attained the ultimate prize.
It's not as if I'm advocating a Wanderer's style solution who turn over the playing roster and coach every season looking for instant success. That doesn't work either.
They haven't made the finals for 6 years, and have had 6 different managers in that time, albeit 2 of those managers were interim. That approach is absolutely farcical.

 

[Gronk]

I am not saying I disagree with you on us needing to make the GF for BA to keep his job, but hypothetically, if we make the prelim and lose because the ref misses a blatant Kikau knock-on or Moses hits the post with a match winning field goal, do we get rid of BA?

This is where luck and sometimes things out of the control of the coach come into play in determining game day results. Why would it be sensible to them blame the coach?

This. Everyone gets that winning a comp is the ultimate goal, but that requires luck with injuries and lots of game day luck. Really all you can do is chip away and deal with 2001, 2009 and 2021 as the Footy Gods decide..

AND BEFORE anyone shouts mediocrity etc at me, I want a comp badly but I am a realistic enough to accept we gave last year a hell of a shake and hope we do this year too.

Probably because we haven't made it to that stage in 8 previous years.
That's not acceptable for a club of our stature.
36 years without a comp is even worse.
Something has to change.
The front office is sorted so it's now up to the players and coaching staff to take us to the next level.
In my mind, nothing but a grand final appearance this year for Arthur could save his ass.

You're going to have to get some GOATS to win a comp and if you look the company that we keep in the Top 5, GOATS are hard to get. So you can keep sacking coaches until you win a comp, but nothing will change until you get some GOATS.

 

[Suitman]

This. Everyone gets that winning a comp is the ultimate goal, but that requires luck with injuries and lots of game day luck. Really all you can do is chip away and deal with 2001, 2009 and 2021 as the Footy Gods decide..

AND BEFORE anyone shouts mediocrity etc at me, I want a comp badly but I am a realistic enough to accept we gave last year a hell of a shake and hope we do this year too.


You're going to have to get some GOATS to win a comp and if you look the company that we keep in the Top 5, GOATS are hard to get. So you can keep sacking coaches until you win a comp, but nothing will change until you get some GOATS.

Read my last post.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We instantly became a better team when Sivo was injured last season

Coincidence. Sivo definitely provided more than his replacement (Dunster). There were plenty of changes around the time of us regaining form after four straight losses. Singling out the loss of Sivo is simplistic.

 

[Gronk]

Coincidence. Sivo definitely provided more than his replacement (Dunster). There were plenty of changes around the time of us regaining form after four straight losses. Singling out the loss of Sivo is simplistic.

 

[TheRam]

I am not saying I disagree with you on us needing to make the GF for BA to keep his job, but hypothetically, if we make the prelim and lose because the ref misses a blatant Kikau knock-on or Moses hits the post with a match winning field goal, do we get rid of BA?

This is where luck and sometimes things out of the control of the coach come into play in determining game day results. Why would it be sensible to them blame the coach?

The point is that if BA makes a GF and loses well fair enough he and the team went as close to taking it out without success and a GF victory over the other two main contenders would be one hell of a win for a team that hasn't even progressed past week 2 thus far in their evolution and would be unfair to the coach having done so well. Most teams lose one before they win one. But if he can't get them to the GF I can't see him doing any better with what will probably be a weaker roster the following year. So lets move on and get a coach in that we plan on having for more then one more season and a long term future with our club while he is still available.

No one would expect BA to survive another season after 2023 if he has a worse season then he does this year do they? So why waste 2023 and then start with a new coach in 2024 when who knows by then who will be available? If we do we are just treading water in 2023 and it is just a waste of time till the new coach comes in with his new ideas and philosophies. That means by 2023 it will be 37 years and counting and then by the time the new coach adjusts and rearranges the roster to his liking we are probably looking at 40+ years if we are lucky.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Agreed with all of that Hindy, but if we do lose Matterson on top of Marata and Papali'i and don't replace them with like for like, then no matter if we kept everyone else in my opinion we are out of our premiership window.

I feel it will all depend on what BA and what the boys achieve this season. At the very least they need to make the GF for players outside of our club to consider BA a good bet and capable of winning a premiership. That way when quality players are weighing up their options when deciding their future and the money is not the only consideration or very similar to other offers, they the coach is the deciding factor.

That is why I would be ruthless and if BA doesn't make the GF this season, I would cut him and do what I suggested early and try and get a Sheens/Ciraldo combo to the club but if Sheens isn't an option Ciraldo would be given the keys to the kingdom before Gus pulls the trigger with Barrett. My fear is that by the time BA's contract is up and still no premiership, Ciraldo will have been snapped up and we will scratching our head who and what direction should we go in.

I believe Ciraldo is a quality coach that has done his apprenticeship and will quickly establish himself as a high end quality coach if he is given a decent team to start with and can attract quality players from there. It will be very hard for us to find someone that is as ready as he is and with the respect that he has in RL circles for a guy that is yet to be given an NRL team of his own. We have already missed out on Fitzgibbon. I prey we don't miss out of Ciraldo. The cupboard is quite bare after him as far as rookies is concerned. We will whinge again as to why we can't seem to hire the best and guys like pou will say it all comes down to money, when in reality all it comes down to is a single bloody mindedness with a clear vision for success and doing whatever it takes. The money is secondary. All teams have the same $5m to work in outside of the player salary cap.

Pou just doesn't get that and thinks, well who knows what he freakin thinks because mostly what he thinks is sh*t? The best coaches get signed by the clubs that know what success looks like and are persuasive enough and or smart enough to put the right plans in motion to get there and quickly. Getting your off field coaching set up right shouldn't be a 3-5 year plan.

Ciraldo is available now. There are no excuses. If we don't make the GF we should pounce. Sympathy and loyalty is for also rans. He has had 9 years and the clock is ticking on our roster and on Ciraldo. Lets hope that the brains trust of this club don't leave either till it is to late.

What the f**k has Ciraldo ever done? Assistant coach at the same club where Barrett was an assistant?

 

[Gronk]

That means by 2023 it will be 28 years and counting and then by the time the new coach adjusts and rearranges the roster to his liking we are probably looking at 40+ years if we are lucky.

As much as that is the reality, it does not mean that an organisation panics and starts making dumb decisions like a gambler desperately throwing cash at long odds horses.

 

[Gronk]

What the f**k has Ciraldo ever done? Assistant coach at the same club where Barrett was an assistant?

He's the next one up. He's the media darling.

 

[Stevie]

Compared to?

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I did NOT give you permission to post my photo FFS!

 

[King-Gutho94]

Ciraldo certainly is the darling of assistant coaches atm.

Just because your an excellent assistant doesn't mean you will make a great head coach.

I am surprised some of these young coaches dont head to super league like Trent Robinson did and get to handle a top job in a professional environment. Where you can learn more about yourself in the head role without the scruitny of the NRL as your 1st main gig.

As i remember Adam O'Brien was supposedly part of the brains trust at Melbourne for a decade with their attack. And then went to roosters in 2019 to learn under robbo and was talked up by the Johns brothers as the next super coach.

That has worked out well for newcastle.

Kearney was a disaster despite having the benefit of learning from 2 of the best coaches in the last 30 years in Bennett and Bellamy.

 

[Parra]

This. Everyone gets that winning a comp is the ultimate goal, but that requires luck with injuries and lots of game day luck. Really all you can do is chip away and deal with 2001, 2009 and 2021 as the Footy Gods decide..

AND BEFORE anyone shouts mediocrity etc at me, I want a comp badly but I am a realistic enough to accept we gave last year a hell of a shake and hope we do this year too.


You're going to have to get some GOATS to win a comp and if you look the company that we keep in the Top 5, GOATS are hard to get. So you can keep sacking coaches until you win a comp, but nothing will change until you get some GOATS.

Don't forget 2005. Our only real stuff up was right when it mattered. 1998, 1999 both very close as well.

 

[Suitman]

What the f**k has Ciraldo ever done? Assistant coach at the same club where Barrett was an assistant?

What the f**k has Barrett got to do with this discussion?

 

[Gronk]

I tell you who will be hottest unsigned coach on the market if we punt Brad Arthur at the end of 2022.

No it's not Cameron Ciraldo or Kristian Woolf. It's ....

Spoiler

Brad Arthur

 

[Gazzamatta]

Ciraldo certainly is the darling of assistant coaches atm.

Just because your an excellent assistant doesn't mean you will make a great head coach.

I am surprised some of these young coaches dont head to super league like Trent Robinson did and get to handle a top job in a professional environment. Where you can learn more about yourself in the head role without the scruitny of the NRL as your 1st main gig.

As i remember Adam O'Brien was supposedly part of the brains trust at Melbourne for a decade with their attack. And then went to roosters in 2019 to learn under robbo and was talked up by the Johns brothers as the next super coach.

That has worked out well for newcastle.

Kearney was a disaster despite having the benefit of learning from 2 of the best coaches in the last 30 years in Bennett and Bellamy.

Maybe those referenced are trying to emulate Bellyache whereas Fitzgibbon and Peyton appear to have their own style. The thing about Bellyache is that hes managed to transform himself while the clones are stuck in the past possibly.
I was mad keen on Holbrook but some of his recruitment decisions have been absurd if in fact hes the one making those decisions.
I like change because it puts people on notice and definitely refreshes. Good or bad one never knows but if due diligence is done then whats to lose.
I liked the comments the other day how the coaching team are training prior to the players each session. Maybe Kids and Murph are excellent trainers?

 

[Obscene Assassin]

What the f**k has Ciraldo ever done? Assistant coach at the same club where Barrett was an assistant?

Wrong. He also did this

 

[84 Baby]

This guy would know as he trains with the team and plays in the outside backs.

How is Dylan Brown? Hur dur hur dur hurr!

But seriously Sivo isn’t slow. He just has zero fitness so he’s pooped very quickly.

 

[84 Baby]

Good or bad one never knows but if due diligence is done then whats to lose.

Couldn’t this also be applied to the keep/sack BA question?
Or are we just assuming zero due diligence is done on any coaching appointment? Or only done on potential new coaches?

 

[hindy111]

Probably because we haven't made it to that stage in 8 previous years.
That's not acceptable for a club of our stature.
36 years without a comp is even worse.
Something has to change.
The front office is sorted so it's now up to the players and coaching staff to take us to the next level.
In my mind, nothing but a grand final appearance this year for Arthur could save his ass.

Its been 12 seasons since we got to a game before the semi final. Even on Pous statistics being there is 4 sides a year that get to it then every you should be getting to that game every 4 seasons right? If we don't reach it this year then its 13yrs since we did it. And from a magical season when we finished 8th purely on the back of a once in a lifetime performance by Hayne. Otherwise go back to 2005 .

So once in 16yrs. f**king embarrasing yet guys like Gronk wants to say BUT BUT WE ONLY WHERE BEATEN BY 2.