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Team v Bulldogs

vvvrulz

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If Tui was going to play, SJ was the guy to drop. But McFadden knows if he loses without SJ in the team, he's pretty well f**ked.

So we lose even more structure. Robson has actually been okay the last couple of weeks I thought, but it seems the guy that McFadden actively went out and got - and plays in the same position the coach did - is now no longer up to the task. Have you ever heard a better example of crap coaching/recruitment?

I wonder how much of it falls on Johnson, he just never seems to click with any other half.

I don't think it's a coincidence we've gone through four combinations now and all have failed, even though Maloney & Townsend are pretty decent players, Leuluai and Robson (so far) aren't great halves but aren't mugs either

Maloney and Martel looked ready to murder him during the 2012 horrors
 

JJ

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He's the common denominator...

Yep, PW, McFaaden's lost the plot imo - nice that Tui gets the ball more, but not much else makes sense
 

Alan Johnson

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It could be the worst possible thing for Tui though. Complete disaster of a team, everything falling apart, no plan, no ideas, no confidence, here mate you try something.
 

JJ

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I wonder how much of it falls on Johnson, he just never seems to click with any other half.

I don't think it's a coincidence we've gone through four combinations now and all have failed, even though Maloney & Townsend are pretty decent players, Leuluai and Robson (so far) aren't great halves but aren't mugs either

Maloney and Martel looked ready to murder him during the 2012 horrors

I'd be pretty happy to try a Robson - Lolohea combination for few weeks - I've never been a big Johnson fan, but I am over him completely now - he's a poor NRL half - sure, can be great in one off games, but he doesn't seem to have the heart for the week to week grind

If Robson - Lolohea doesn't work, could try the two TLs...
 

Penrose_11

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Not only do we have a new halves pairing this week but the Dogs gonna have 14 on the field. The NRL have f**kd us as well and handed as Henry 'my s**t don't stink' Perenana as head ref. Heaven help us!!!
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

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I'd be pretty happy to try a Robson - Lolohea combination for few weeks - I've never been a big Johnson fan, but I am over him completely now - he's a poor NRL half - sure, can be great in one off games, but he doesn't seem to have the heart for the week to week grind

If Robson - Lolohea doesn't work, could try the two TLs...

Yeah but SJ has scored a try and set up a few. What's Robson done? He's let IN tries.
 

Packy

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I think this is a more dangerous team than the last few weeks. I expect you guys to go well against us this week.
 

Iron Lion

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1)RTS
2)Fusitiua (leave the club or succeed
3)Asyhford
4)Hurrell (leave the club or succeed)
5)Kata
6)Lolohea
7)Leulaui
8)Vete
9)Luke
10)Sipley
11)Hoffman
12)Matulino
13)Thompson/Lisone

14)Tevaga
15)Sipley
16)Lauitiiti/Vatuvei(if fit)
17)Gubb

Mannering/ Lillyman/ Johnson/ Robson/ Wright -reserve grade where they belong.

I guess the Iron legend knows his stuff. Drop Mannering, Lillyman, Johnson and wright and the Warriors might be able to beat the bulldogs this weekend, Unfortunately a 20pt loss is most likely
 

Meth

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I guess the Iron legend knows his stuff. Drop Mannering, Lillyman, Johnson and wright and the Warriors might be able to beat the bulldogs this weekend, Unfortunately a 20pt loss is most likely

Yep. You are nearly as smart as Cappy
 

Meth

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If Tui was going to play, SJ was the guy to drop. But McFadden knows if he loses without SJ in the team, he's pretty well f**ked.

So we lose even more structure. Robson has actually been okay the last couple of weeks I thought, but it seems the guy that McFadden actively went out and got - and plays in the same position the coach did - is now no longer up to the task. Have you ever heard a better example of crap coaching/recruitment?

Then two backs on the bench.

I love Tui and I like that he has the ball in his hands more. But I don't see this ending well.

a lot of sense in this post
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

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If Tui was going to play, SJ was the guy to drop. But McFadden knows if he loses without SJ in the team, he's pretty well f**ked.

So we lose even more structure. Robson has actually been okay the last couple of weeks I thought, but it seems the guy that McFadden actively went out and got - and plays in the same position the coach did - is now no longer up to the task. Have you ever heard a better example of crap coaching/recruitment?

Then two backs on the bench.

I love Tui and I like that he has the ball in his hands more. But I don't see this ending well.

It sounds like you want Robson kept but for what? He hasnt set up any tries, he's let IN tries and 99% of his errors has resulted in tries for the opposition. That is an absolutely poor performance review but an accurate one.

Robson has played OK in the last game and the game 2 weeks ago but do we want OK? No, cos Lolohea can do OK, Lino can do OK etc.. we need more than OK.

Defensive efforts and passing is Robsons strength so far. I say 'defensive efforts' to credit him for trying and that's what everyone see as the good in him, he's trying. However he's still the target for opposition attack which is the case with most halves but he's getting hit hard and he just looks silly in the end (e.g. Darius Boyds try). His other strength is his passing NOT organising just plain old passing and that's shocking cos that's a given for any half but it's the ONLY other credit I can give him.

Lolohea can do what Robson has done and more. I have no doubt and it's easy for me to say this cos when I look at what Robsons done, it's really not much to topple. Robson lets in tries so Tuis just gotta let in none. Robson drops the ball from PIVOT POSITION, Tuis can't drop the ball from pivot etc etc..

When Anthony Milford went into the halves people open their mouths way too soon and now look.

Tuis time. Why Robson?
 
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TheDMC

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Lolohea can do what Robson has done and more. I have no doubt and it's easy for me to say this cos when I look at what Robsons done, it's really not much to topple. Robson lets in tries so Tuis just gotta let in none. Robson drops the ball from PIVOT POSITION, Tuis can't drop the ball from pivot etc etc..

When Anthony Milford went into the halves people open their mouths way too soon and now look.

Tuis time. Why Robson?

I'd say give it a crack Nigel.

Lolo playing well in the halves would see Johnson sort his crap out I reckon.
 
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I think this is a more dangerous team than the last few weeks. I expect you guys to go well against us this week.

Only things we have going for us is a shorter turn around for Dogs, travel to Melbourne and then Wellington.
Hopefully you take us lightly like Raiders and Penrith and to some extent Eels.
 

JJ

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When Anthony Milford went into the halves people open their mouths way too soon and now look.

Not sure why that's a sensible comparison - Milford was a fullback (the argument here seem to be Tui's a half, although he's been pretty poor whenever played there), was switched in the Broncos with a good team, structure and environment around him, has a halves partner who is actually good and doing his job, and Wayne Bennett as his coach - not to mention he's IMO a better footballer than Tui
 

Scott

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I'm amazed at all the negativity surrounding our halves.

SJ has played his best NRL at 7. He wants to lead the team around amd will run more closer to the action. Tui simply needs his hands on the ball.

I'd like to see less structure & shape. It's not how we play our best and is very easy to defend.
Play what is in front of you. The game is nowadays played down the middle third. With RTS, Tui, SJ, Luke & Tommy, this is our strength. I expect more points to be scored.

The big question though is will we score more than the oppostion??
 

Sanchez

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I really thought Robson was the answer as i thought he would be the steadying presence that was needed. Clearly not
 

Penrose Warrior

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It sounds like you want Robson kept but for what? He hasnt set up any tries, he's let IN tries and 99% of his errors has resulted in tries for the opposition. That is an absolutely poor performance review but an accurate one.

Robson has played OK in the last game and the game 2 weeks ago but do we want OK? No, cos Lolohea can do OK, Lino can do OK etc.. we need more than OK.

Defensive efforts and passing is Robsons strength so far. I say 'defensive efforts' to credit him for trying and that's what everyone see as the good in him, he's trying. However he's still the target for opposition attack which is the case with most halves but he's getting hit hard and he just looks silly in the end (e.g. Darius Boyds try). His other strength is his passing NOT organising just plain old passing and that's shocking cos that's a given for any half but it's the ONLY other credit I can give him.

Lolohea can do what Robson has done and more. I have no doubt and it's easy for me to say this cos when I look at what Robsons done, it's really not much to topple. Robson lets in tries so Tuis just gotta let in none. Robson drops the ball from PIVOT POSITION, Tuis can't drop the ball from pivot etc etc..

When Anthony Milford went into the halves people open their mouths way too soon and now look.

Tuis time. Why Robson?

I'm not a massive Robson fan. I'll put up my hand and say I was happy with the signing, however. I'm prepared to give guys 3-4-5 rounds to adjust to a new side and environment, and after a pretty poor start I thought he was starting to get a lot better.

Let's make no bones about it, Robson has partly been dropped because of SJ's poor form. The signing was made for Robson to compliment SJ, to do the solid things well while Shaun played off the cuff, took it to the line and did things he does regularly for the Kiwis. I won't defend the fact that Robson has been skinned on his outside shoulder a couple of times and dropped some pill. But he has set up tries (two v Knights)

What did you expect from Robson? OK from one of your halves is absolutely fine if the other one is doing his job, and so is the pack. But he's surrounded by under-performers, so he wears the responsibility by being dropped.

Tui is a precociously talented player. But while he can do a lot of things Robson can't, he can't (yet) play direct, he can't really direct play and take pressure off SJ - things that Robson was signed for and things TL has done in the past.

If you want to use the Milford analogy, do you think Milford would be where he is today in our side? In our structure? With our coach and not his? I have no doubt Tui could go to the Broncos and become a star halve, next to Hunt who is solid as hell. He's not there.

I believe an inexperienced Tui, with a well below par SJ next to him, is not a good fit at the moment. We're already not playing direct. We're already unstructured. We're already going across field. Tui might be good for 1-2 of those freakish tries he scored v the Cows last year, but I don't see how his style and Shaun's will mesh at all at the moment. In a side that was performing like our 2011 one, no problem.
 

Penrose Warrior

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And I'm a bit of a Shaun sycophant...I truly believe he will be a good/great NRL halve once we have the right coach. He burst onto the scene under Ivan, a good coach, then has had to suffer 3 of the biggest duds you'd ever come across. At least the first two can claim not to be former NRL halves and therfore not supposed to be experts at finding a 6 and 7 to run a side.
 

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