Team v Bulldogs

[Matua]

I'd agree with that if the season was lost, but it's six games in.

I truly believe we are unorganised because of our structure and the way we are coached. Robson can't do all that on his own, can he? I wouldn't attribute that to him.

But yeah Rhythm is right, it really feels like McFadden's final roll of the dice. If this doesn't work, there's f**k all other places he can go.

Six games in with Cappy in charge and protected by Doyle, yep, the season is gone.

What is the point playing Robson? He has added no value to the team. Get Tui in where he can make a difference, sure he'll make some mistakes, but he'll learn from them.

 

[JJ]

The real problem is we'll see the same pattern as every year - they'll string some wins together around origin time, climb the table, Parramatta could well lose points so we'll have the illusion we're in it

McFadden will stay coach, perhaps get given an extension and nothing will change

 

[RHYTHM AND STEALTH]

Cappy is starting to coach like Bluey

Try and score heaps of points while ignoring the obvious. Defence

 

[JJ]

Are they different people? Has any one seen them both at the same time?

 

[Rich102]

Warriors coaches

John Monie (1995-97) - 52 games, 26 wins, 50 per cent winning record.

Frank Endacott (1997-98) - 33 games, 13 wins, 39.4 %.

Mark Graham (1999-2000) - 50 games, 18 wins, 36 %

Daniel Anderson (2001-04) - 92 games, 51 wins, 55.4 %

Tony Kemp (2004-05) - 37 games, 13 wins, 35.1 %

Ivan Cleary (2006-11) - 137 games, 68 wins, 49.6 %

Brian McClennan (2012) - 22 games, 8 wins, 36.3 %

Tony Iro (2012) - 2 games, 0 wins, 0 %

Matt Elliott (2013-14) - 29 games, 13 wins, 44.8 %

Andrew McFadden (2014 - ) 49 games, 21 wins, 42.9 %

The fifth most successful coach and dropping.
Interesting - Cleary's only the third most successful.

Bring back Anderson!

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

You're repressing what happened last season then?

No I'm not and that's why if you re-read my post that you replied to (above) you will see it states 'at this stage' in his career.

I think with the bit of experience he has had now, hes going to be a lot better in the halves.

We have seen Tui in the halves...We saw flashes of individual brilliance - his strength - pretty decent D but absolutely no indication that he could organise, put people in space, a kicking game etc.

Robson has struggled to do what you mention in bold as well. Cappy has persevered with Robson way too long.

Let's give Tui the chance that's all I'm saying. The Bulldogs are at "home" this week and they're a great test for Tui. It's an absolute deep end for Tui, if you wanted to make a half look like shit in their first game back in that position, Doggies is one of those teams that can do that. I think he's going to go good despite some of you Warrior fans doubting him.

Jono Wright of the wingers I'd say is better all round. Wright should be a bolter based on his previous games. Him and Manu.

 

[JJ]

I think with the bit of experience he has had now, hes going to be a lot better in the halves.



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Yes it does state "at this stage", I am just unclear on why you think this stage is so different from last year and the Kiwis tour - a handful of games on the wing is what you think is prep for playing #6???

Not to mention Johnson's woeful form?

I have no problem dropping Robson, he's been mud, but he's not the Lone Ranger... Tui will be inconsistent, I'd just about put the house on it - if McFadden truly thinks he's the answer why didn't he make the change earlier, and will he have the balls to persist with it??

Some keep saying the Warriors have been inconsistent this year - for once they haven't, they've been consistently poor - we've beaten only the Roosters and Newcastle - not sure why anyone gets excited by that

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Yes it does state "at this stage", I am just unclear on why you think this stage is so different from last year and the Kiwis tour - a handful of games on the wing is what you think is prep for playing #6???

Not to mention Johnson's woeful form?

I have no problem dropping Robson, he's been mud, but he's not the Lone Ranger... Tui will be inconsistent, I'd just about put the house on it - if McFadden truly thinks he's the answer why didn't he make the change earlier, and will he have the balls to persist with it??

Some keep saying the Warriors have been inconsistent this year - for once they haven't, they've been consistently poor - we've beaten only the Roosters and Newcastle - not sure why anyone gets excited by that

Tui has played three different positions in 7 weeks. He trialled v the Dragons at centre, which suggests to most of us that's where he'd play. Then he was named round one on the wing because he had a mare (chopped up by Aitken or Dugan, I can't remember). From memory he was fine there v the Titans feeder side...so it's one abject performance. Is he not allowed to learn? Six rounds in, now he's a five-eighth. Can anyone forgive him if he is inconsistent this week onwards. Our coach is f**king clueless. The shift from centre in the last trial to wing in round one was the one that got me. Diabolical.

Everyone's saying Robson's been mud and that's partly true. But SJ has been worse. Tui is more of a SJ-type halve than Robson. But we know why Shaun's not dropped (I'm not suggesting he should be, I wouldn't be playing Tui there. I'd be putting Thomas there and go away from this dead-shit him and Konrad on the bench, plus Charlie 'I'll come on for 20 minutes and be a meathead and give away 3/4 penalties' Gubb'.

 

[ozbash]

SJ has spent the season out of position as well.

 

[JJ]

SJ has spent the season out of position as well.

That's bullshit oz

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Yes it does state "at this stage", I am just unclear on why you think this stage is so different from last year and the Kiwis tour - a handful of games on the wing is what you think is prep for playing #6???

I think he is more comfortable now in the top grade and all that comes with it. The crowds, the expectations and the level of the opposition is a huge weight on any young halves shoulders to come into and expected to perform. Not many come in and shine straight away at a young age, just think of all the halves around right now and you'll notice a lot of them came good in the next year or so.

I think his time spent on the wing he would've seen a lot of things. He would of learnt some good things from Robson and I'm sure some other things he would've done better. He would've also seen opportunities gone begging that pops up for wingers. Playing on the wing isn't the ideal prep for a half though but I've mentioned some positives I guess.

Tui will be inconsistent, I'd just about put the house on it - if McFadden

Yep unfortunately he is going to need time. Like I said before, hes a young half, got chucked in with the hope of a nation, SJ leaves as he comes in etc.. some young halves adapt straight away but not many and some take awhile and Tuis one of those.

He might have a cracker game this week but as the saying goes, you're as good as your last game and so we know it's going to take some time but it's time well invested in Tui then Robson. The only consistent half in the NRL is one man anyway and that's Thurston with Foran following closely behind, so he won't be alone in the pool of inconsistent halves.

 

[Blair]

Warriors coaches...

Ivan Cleary (2006-11) - 137 games, 68 wins, 49.6 %

Interesting - Cleary's only the third most successful...

I'm giving Ivan a 50% winning record. One of his losses was the 2011 GF against a pretty special Manly side in Sydney. Give him this liberty and he gets to the respectable 50%. He deserves that.

 

[jaseg]

Everyone's saying Robson's been mud and that's partly true. But SJ has been worse.

No.

Just no.

Johnson has been, given the expectations on him (to win every game etc etc etc), more disappointing - but not objectively worse. If we're talking straight up quality, Johnson has outstripped Robson in pretty much every respect this year by miles and miles - and Johnson has been well below his best. That's how bloody awful Robson has been for us.

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I have to laugh @ the 'this stage of his career' comment regarding Tui by zeromisstackle... mate, he's played 6 games since his last stint in the halves.

Hingano is the future half we should be using, not Lolohea. Keep Tui out wide in the same position where he can grow in a specific position. He's developing fine as our right winger, and will make handy a fullback cover/replacement.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

SJ worse than Robson? Lets look at some stats for this season:

Johnson: 4 tries, 4 try assists, 5 offloads, 3 line breaks, 287 run metres, 102 tackles, 16 missed tackles, 6 errors.
Robson: 0 tries, 1 try assist, 1 offload, 0 line breaks, 235 run metres, 97 tackles, 22 missed tackles, 8 errors.

He trails SJ by EVERY statistical metric. As much as we thing SJ is more disappointing and further from his best than Robson is he's still playing more effective football. This isn't primary school, we're not giving out awards for trying.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

No.

Just no.

Johnson has been, given the expectations on him (to win every game etc etc etc), more disappointing - but not objectively worse. If we're talking straight up quality, Johnson has outstripped Robson in pretty much every respect this year by miles and miles - and Johnson has been well below his best. That's how bloody awful Robson has been for us.

I agree with you here on this one. SJ has been inconsistent but even when he's not so good he's still better than Robson.

I have to laugh @ the 'this stage of his career' comment regarding Tui by zeromisstackle... mate, he's played 6 games since his last stint in the halves.

Hingano is the future half we should be using, not Lolohea. Keep Tui out wide in the same position where he can grow in a specific position. He's developing fine as our right winger, and will make handy a fullback cover/replacement.

Laugh all you like but I'll have the last laugh when Tui takes the field this Saturday lol. Hingano? Not even in the top order I don't think with Robson and Leluai there. Tui can't jump to diffuse bombs and he's not a winger.

 

[jaseg]

Laugh all you like but I'll have the last laugh when Tui takes the field this Saturday lol. Hingano? Not even in the top order I don't think with Robson and Leluai there. Tui can't jump to diffuse bombs and he's not a winger.

Oh ye of the short memory... Tui took a bomb rather well (well, more than one - but you know the one I'm specifically referring to) 2 weeks ago... ended up making the game-breaking play off the back of that one, too.

He's not a winger? Well, he hasn't looked like much of a friggen half (just because he looked good running at u20 defenders doesn't make him an NRL-level half, it makes him SJ-lite) - I'd argue he looks much better on the wing (but best of all at fullback - and wing play can be an extension of much of that, or vice versa). Let him develop in a single position... and with Hingano emerging quickly the halves isn't the right one for Tui.

I've seen enough of Hingano now to think he's already a better halfback than either Robson or Leuluai (not the highest of praise, but for a rookie that's not bad). Unlike Tui he doesn't rely on being able to break lazy u20s tackles, but actually creates and looks mature and level headed on theb all. Too bad Cappy doesn't have the same vision in his coaching though, eh?

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Oh ye of the short memory... Tui took a bomb rather well (well, more than one - but you know the one I'm specifically referring to) 2 weeks ago... ended up making the game-breaking play off the back of that one, too.

He's not a winger? Well, he hasn't looked like much of a friggen half (just because he looked good running at u20 defenders doesn't make him an NRL-level half, it makes him SJ-lite) - I'd argue he looks much better on the wing (but best of all at fullback - and wing play can be an extension of much of that, or vice versa). Let him develop in a single position... and with Hingano emerging quickly the halves isn't the right one for Tui.

I've seen enough of Hingano now to think he's already a better halfback than either Robson or Leuluai (not the highest of praise, but for a rookie that's not bad). Unlike Tui he doesn't rely on being able to break lazy u20s tackles, but actually creates and looks mature and level headed on theb all. Too bad Cappy doesn't have the same vision in his coaching though, eh?

The first few games for this year SJ was getting crap for bombing for Lolohea who couldn't out jump his opposite to score. When I say bomb it's when the opposition is able to contest as well. Lolohea wasn't contested when he took that catch to set up that game breaking try cos if he was trust me, SKD or Tupou or Ferguson would've out jumped him. He dropped the ball against Manly to start of a bad game against them.

You probably don't watch all the Warrior games 3 times over like I do and trust me he doesn't have the complete skill set to play wing. We do have specialist wingers like Wright, Manu, Fusitua and Tui is taking up those positions.

Hingano might be the greatest half in the world but at the moment and realistically he's not going to get picked anytime soon. We need to win and develop cohesion with what players we do have and right now we have SJ, Robson, Tui and Leuluai and that's realistic.

 

[jaseg]

You probably don't watch all the Warrior games 3 times over like I do

You watched that Roosters game 3 times over and didn't realise that SKD & Ferguson were playing on the OTHER edge? You know, the edge that conceded those two tries? From high kicks? Scored by SKD?

Lolohea took more than one contested catch against Tupou in that game.

Johnson got crap for bombing to Lolohea in an earlier game not because Tui's bad in the air (he's not) but because we have a rather large Manu Vatuvei on the other wing. Oh, and because against the Broncos specifically Lolohea was matched up against 6'4" Corey Oates, while the other Broncos winger was the 4" smaller Jordan Kahu (again for emphasis, vs Manu).

I realise Hingano isn't realistically getting picked by Cappy - that's what I'm bloody complaining about.. because he should be. Robson has been awful, Tui's performances in the halves have been bad, TL is both just back from a long term injury and not as good in the halves as at dummy half.

 

[ozbash]

That's bullshit oz

No mate, by turning him in to a 6, he's gone from organizer, attacker, to a straight out defender.. his role has been reversed and it's time he was given back his licence to thrill....

It's pretty obvious he's not that happy not being our number 1 playmaker..

 

[Meth]

Hingano is the future half we should be using, not Lolohea..

A lot of wraps on Hingaro, but is it too early?