The Comic Book Film Thread *** SPOILERS ***

[bileduct]

Just to correct you though:

Elektra had a $65M budget but only made $56M gross http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2005/ELEKT.php

Well, there are conflicting sources then. The source from the Wikipedia article for Elektra is - http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=elektra.htm

And another Marvel movie, Punisher: War Zone had a budget of $35M yet only grossed $10M http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008/PUNS2.php

And that's the only one that has actually tanked. It was also the first film that was produced by Marvel Knights and is obviously catering to a different market than your more traditional Marvel superhero movie, given it's lower grade cast and the MA rating from gratuitous violence.

From Blade through X-Men, Spiderman, all of the Avengers films, even the f**king Fantastic Four, all of these films have at least doubled, if not tripled, quadrupled, or ... (what comes next, and after that ... and after that?) their money. There's six Marvel Comics films in the fifty highest grossing films of all time.

Hulk, The Incredible Hulk, Elektra, and Punisher: War Zone are the only Marvel Comics films that didn't double their money (and both Hulk films still netted $110M each).

Punisher: War Zone is the only movie that actually lost money.

 

[Springs]

While it's true all those films made money, shitty DC films like Green Lantern, Catwoman and Batman & Robin also made money.

 

[bileduct]

Catwoman lost money. Budget $100M, Gross $82M.

Green Lantern struggled to recover it's $200M investment with a gross $219M.

Jonah Hex is probably the biggest bomb of all, with a $47M budget and a gross $11M.

If you step away from the Batman and Superman franchises you aren't really left with much else happening under the DC banner. There have been some great adaptations of Alan Moore's work, but that's about it.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Yep, movies fail. Its true across every catagory really

I still dont see why it has to be a pissing contest between DC and Marvel though. The fan boy mentality is sometimes even more rapant amongst comic fans than it is between NRL club supporters

 

[Springs]

Catwoman lost money. Budget $100M, Gross $82M.

Green Lantern struggled to recover it's $200M investment with a gross $219M.

Jonah Hex is probably the biggest bomb of all, with a $47M budget and a gross $11M.

If you step away from the Batman and Superman franchises you aren't really left with much else happening under the DC banner. There have been some great adaptations of Alan Moore's work, but that's about it.

Yes compared to it's budget it lost money but it still made 82 million despite being one of the worst films ever.

Green Lantern still made money, more than Punisher or Elektra.

The point was box office gross has nothing to do with how good a film is, like Red & Black Bear was implying.

Also movies making more than their budget aren't necessarily considered profitable. Green Lantern needed about $500 million just to be solid.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I should have alluded to the fact that I was talking about marvel studio films where they own complete control of a character in film rights

eg Iron Man 1,2 & 3.
The incredible Hulk
Thor
Captain America: the first avenger
the avengers

the ones you mentioned joker are cinematically owned by fox, universal etc not exclusively marvel. Therefore marvel doesnt have control over the use of their characters

also the fact that the dc movies you mentioned outside of batman not including batman and Robin were panned critically.

 

[Joker's Wild]

I should have alluded to the fact that I was talking about marvel studio films where they own complete control of a character in film rights

eg Iron Man 1,2 & 3.
The incredible Hulk
Thor
Captain America: the first avenger
the avengers

the ones you mentioned joker are cinematically owned by fox, universal etc not exclusively marvel. Therefore marvel doesnt have control over the use of their characters

also the fact that the dc movies you mentioned outside of batman not including batman and Robin were panned critically.

So what about your claim that Marvel characters "have more fans than dc, more regular film goers anticipating their next movies than whatever wb/dc are making" ? Any proof of this?

I seem to remember quite the buzz around all the Nolan Batman movies as well as Man of Steel.

Also, until just then, the only DC movie I mentioned was Superman Returns so Im really not sure what your last line is referring to.

In the end, you have overreacted to one persons obvious troll line and made a bit of a goose of yourself, basically doing the same thing they did by panning a whole company based on a few poor movies. Ironically, most of DCs poor movies are made in conjunction with other studios too so I guess the same excuse can be applied to them then as well.

 

[runatme]

Garbage aye.. is that why they have more fans than dc, more regular film goers anticipating their next movies than whatever wb/dc are making? Why all their movies have brought home the bacon... why they are taking chances like guardians of the galaxy and dr strange where dc shat their pants after the horrible green lantern and jonah hex movies.

why marvel properties are worth more than dc. . All dc has is superman and batman. . BORING! TRY TO make a good flash or wonder woman or aqua man movie.. oh they can't.

Marvel has a plan and its working while all dc has left is the superman batman movie which is also their trump card.

dc is rubbish

haha look out we have a marvel fan boy in here
funny you failed to mention the marvel films of the 90's and early 2000's elektra,daredevil punisher etc etc

marvel have done good from iron man in 2008 to now in creating the universe for avengers my hat goes off to them

but DC sure does have a plan for the future
if you think superman/batman is there trump card? hahaha
my little marvel friend they are planning something even better

 

[Storm13]

but DC sure does have a plan for the future
if you think superman/batman is there trump card? hahaha
my little marvel friend they are planning something even better

Single character movies or Justice League?

 

[Storm13]

Would love to see Marvel get back F4 and to see a great Doctor Doom bought to life on the big screen.

 

[Springs]

I should have alluded to the fact that I was talking about marvel studio films where they own complete control of a character in film rights

eg Iron Man 1,2 & 3.
The incredible Hulk
Thor
Captain America: the first avenger
the avengers

the ones you mentioned joker are cinematically owned by fox, universal etc not exclusively marvel. Therefore marvel doesnt have control over the use of their characters

also the fact that the dc movies you mentioned outside of batman not including batman and Robin were panned critically.

Iron Man 2 & 3, Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America and The Avengers all scored less than 70 on Metacritic. Iron Man is the only critical success of the MCU. V For Vendetta, Superman Returns, Watchmen and Man of Steel got similar mixed reviews as the rest of the MCU.

By the way most DC films are produced by Warner Bros, so not exclusively DC. IF you are including Warner Bros movies in your 'critically panned' argument then you have to include the Fox and Universal Marvel movies as well.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Would love to see Marvel get back F4 and to see a great Doctor Doom bought to life on the big screen.

Ugh, FF is just about Marvels lamest creation. No thanks

 

[Munky]

By the way most DC films are produced by Warner Bros, so not exclusively DC. IF you are including Warner Bros movies in your 'critically panned' argument then you have to include the Fox and Universal Marvel movies as well.

DC is owned by Warner Bros so they are the same company.

Fox and Universal have no stake in Marvel as far I know.

 

[runatme]

disney owns marvel

 

[Red&BlackBear]

So what about your claim that Marvel characters "have more fans than dc, more regular film goers anticipating their next movies than whatever wb/dc are making" ? Any proof of this?

I seem to remember quite the buzz around all the Nolan Batman movies as well as Man of Steel.

Also, until just then, the only DC movie I mentioned was Superman Returns so Im really not sure what your last line is referring to.

In the end, you have overreacted to one persons obvious troll line and made a bit of a goose of yourself, basically doing the same thing they did by panning a whole company based on a few poor movies. Ironically, most of DCs poor movies are made in conjunction with other studios too so I guess the same excuse can be applied to them then as well.

Sdcc 2013, cmb had stats to where fans went and wanted to see. Comic book sales marvel was up on dc.
http://comicsbeat.com/marvel-dc-and-image-split-the-june-sales-charts/ I think dc actually won July so ill take that pie.


I like dc but take away the dark.knight saga.and theyve made more poor movies than good ones imo.. v for vendetta and watchmen were in conjuction with other publishers vertigo & charlton (which dc bought) sort it like kick ass which marvel has printed but didnt create. I shouldve added the losers to the dc list too.

end of the day dc has a big say in how wb portrays their characters where as marvel doesnt with fox or sony or columbia sure arid avad might produce most but there is limited say on marvels behalf where as marvel studios obviously they have 100% say.

comicbookmovie.com has all the stats and info

 

[Red&BlackBear]

disney owns marvel

Disney own all of marvel comic books to toys to merchandise to movies where as wb only owns dc movies and tv shows.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

haha look out we have a marvel fan boy in here
funny you failed to mention the marvel films of the 90's and early 2000's elektra,daredevil punisher etc etc

marvel have done good from iron man in 2008 to now in creating the universe for avengers my hat goes off to them

but DC sure does have a plan for the future
if you think superman/batman is there trump card? hahaha
my little marvel friend they are planning something even better

No theyre not. Not many care for flash aqua man Martian manhunter or wonder woman. . Their biggest 4 characters are batman joker superman and catwoman in that order. All of which we saw on film not long ago, probably add lex into that list too.

superman/batman is their trump card.. in saying that Marvels two characters which match their popularity arent even owned by marvel studios (spider man and wolverine) but in saying that hulk ironman cap America and thor all hold similar fan bases so the avengers works. If one or two characters considerably out supported the rest it wouldn't have worked like it did.. with JL people will be like "flash aqua man etc, theyre cool but we really just want to see superman and batman"..

 

[runatme]

No theyre not. Not many care for flash aqua man Martian manhunter or wonder woman. . Their biggest 4 characters are batman joker superman and catwoman in that order. All of which we saw on film not long ago, probably add lex into that list too.

superman/batman is their trump card.. in saying that Marvels two characters which match their popularity arent even owned by marvel studios (spider man and wolverine) but in saying that hulk ironman cap America and thor all hold similar fan bases so the avengers works. If one or two characters considerably out supported the rest it wouldn't have worked like it did.. with JL people will be like "flash aqua man etc, theyre cool but we really just want to see superman and batman"..

dc's top 4 is superman,batman,joker and catwoman????
HAHAHAHAHAHA now i know you have no idea what your talking about

 

[Joker's Wild]

Disney own all of marvel comic books to toys to merchandise to movies where as wb only owns dc movies and tv shows.

Um no mate, Warner own all of DC comics including the movie and TV franchises

 

[Springs]

Sdcc 2013, cmb had stats to where fans went and wanted to see. Comic book sales marvel was up on dc.
http://comicsbeat.com/marvel-dc-and-image-split-the-june-sales-charts/ I think dc actually won July so ill take that pie.


I like dc but take away the dark.knight saga.and theyve made more poor movies than good ones imo.. v for vendetta and watchmen were in conjuction with other publishers vertigo & charlton (which dc bought) sort it like kick ass which marvel has printed but didnt create. I shouldve added the losers to the dc list too.

end of the day dc has a big say in how wb portrays their characters where as marvel doesnt with fox or sony or columbia sure arid avad might produce most but there is limited say on marvels behalf where as marvel studios obviously they have 100% say.

comicbookmovie.com has all the stats and info

Watchmen is pure DC dumbass. The connection with Charlton was the characters were originally Charlton characters DC had recently purchased, but then Moore replaced them with original characters so there is no connection at all. It was published by DC in 1987.

You could say take away the Avengers movies and Marvel has made more bad movies than good ones.

I highly doubt DC have much say in a lot of their films. Nolan, his brother and David S. Goyer had the creative control over all Dark Knight films. Unless they are employed by DC I think those movies were as much DC-controlled as the fox, sony etc movies were Marvel controlled.