The Forbidden Game-insightful book on what has & can happen

[ParraEelsNRL]

I suggest you do the same, dickweed.:lol:

Yeah, well my team actually averaged 12k last season, what did your team the magpies do?

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

For the liars.

Oh, and I think this is what Russ 13 was getting at.


http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6725&stc=1&d=1388887963

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6726&stc=1&d=1388887963

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6727&stc=1&d=1388887963

Want some more Tehaha, MagpieIsDead, and Knowsabsolutelyknowing?


We'll see who's lying.

Like those pics sheepshagger :lol:

Was on the other page, I want the liars and know alls to see it.

Please come back and ask for some more. Any particular page or chapter you need posting?

Heil Vichy!

 

[magpie4ever]

Was on the other page, I want the liars and know alls to see it.

Please come back and ask for some more. Any particular page or chapter you need posting?

Heil Vichy!

No one is denying or condoning what the Vichy (with FRU support) did to French Rugby League.

But to extend that to a current world-wide campaign of rugby union (and the elite) against rugby league is over the top. Yes, there are current examples of interference to the game being played - Morocco and Russia (and South Africa); but this is a matter for the IRLB and for them to make a stance.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

No one is denying or condoning what the Vichy (with FRU support) did to French Rugby League.

But to extend that to a current world-wide campaign of rugby union (and the elite) against rugby league is over the top. Yes, there are current examples of interference to the game being played - Morocco and Russia (and South Africa); but this is a matter for the IRLB and for them to make a stance.

Wow, we got a proper response, well played sir.

 

[Knownothing]

It's almost 70 years since the end of WW2. Seventy.


Surely it's time to change the record, chaps?

 

[madunit]

I repeat what I said. The French rugby league tours of Australia during the 1950s were sensationally successful. What is "insane crap" about stating that? It is the pure unvarnished truth.

And at the 1954 World Cup, France beat both Australia and New Zealand. So during the first half of the 1950s rugby league in France was, apparently, pretty strong.

I understand very well, probably better than you, the full extent of Nazi brutality in and before the Second World War. (Try reading "Suite Francaise", by Irene Nemirovsky, for example: the suffering of the common people in France after the invasion was absolutely terrible).

However, it just seems to me worth pointing out that continual repetition of the undoubted wrongs of the Vichy regime can look like a partial excuse for what went wrong in the post-war years. Again, the fact that rugby league in France was capable of producing world beating players and teams well after the end of the war is worth remembering. What else went wrong?

I'm not entirely sure that your point is as strong as you think it is.

I believe part of the reason for France's strong showing internationally in RL immediately post-war (until early 1960's) is because the players in those teams had survived the war, and some of the players from the 50's grew up knowing what had happened to RL at Vichy.

Once the post war generation became old enough to play for France, the performances dropped off rapidly. The repressive tactics of the FRU against the French RL pre-war started to take their toll in the first period of French RL that wasn't played by and run by very passionate people and a groundswell of support.

The repression, and the extent of it, by French RU against French RL is of such an extreme nature that it has never before or never since been rivalled. LJC was almost arguing the case that it was standard operation for the RU which is downright nonsense, which has been stance and argument all along (along with the fact that RL has conducted in repressive tactics against RU in Australia as well, but admittedly, not on a large scale, but large enough for them to not be completely innocent).

Typical examples of RU repression involve things such as double booking venues that RL games are scheduled to be played at, or as I described in one of my articles, in NZ in 1914, the NZRU dismantled all of the wooden seating around a venue the night before a RL game was to be played there.

The local community and the players and officials from both sides, spent the morning building new seating for the game. RU meddle's in the petty shit just to make life irritating for RL. Sure there are examples of more extreme action, but none of it has ever come close to what happened at Vichy, and I doubt it ever will.

Rugby League's biggest enemy has been its own inability to promote, expand and support the game in new countries.

 

[madunit]

Also, from 1945 to April 1951, France played 19 International matches on home soil and 7 away (all of them in England and Wales), purely because of lack of funds.

From June 1951 til before the first World Cup they had travelled to Australia and New Zealand. Most of the money they made in this time was stockpiled and used to fund the first World Cup.

The World Cup again is another example of the RL Governing body being uninterested in promoting the game.

 

[Knownothing]

I'm not entirely sure that your point is as strong as you think it is.

I was not trying to make a point, I was more or less questioning the value of going on and on about relatively limited (by time, and place) acts of bastardry. The biggest single factor in France was probably that French rugby union had richer backers than those of rugby league, and they were willing to pay under the table.

Rugby League's biggest enemy has been its own inability to promote, expand and support the game in new countries.

I have said this several times in this thread. I sincerely believe that it would be a whole lot more productive for people to forget about the past (just as the South Africans have, apartheid was just as abhorrent as the Vichy regime, and the black and coloured populations had every reason to turn their backs on rugby union - but instead Mandela publicly embraced it).

Rugby league in Australia has been enormously successful, and part of that success has its roots in the availability of easy money from poker machines during the sixties and seventies. Some might find that reliance on the pockets of the poor to be repugnant. So what? It's history now.

If the local authorities in Australia really wanted to grow the game internationally there is a lot they could do. Most intelligent observers understand that. The clock starts now. Not seventy years ago.

 

[madunit]

I was not trying to make a point, I was more or less questioning the value of going on and on about relatively limited (by time, and place) acts of bastardry. The biggest single factor in France was probably that French rugby union had richer backers than those of rugby league, and they were willing to pay under the table.

The thread was initially started by LJC who naively thought it was a typical example of the lengths RU would go to to destroy RL. The issue of repression is a real one and if he hadn't have been so ignorant and immature, this would have been a very constructive and worthwhile thread.

French RU backers with money had started to dissipate once the IRB gave them the boot in the mid 30's. What French RU had was people within Government, and those people quickly aligned themselves with the Vichy regime under Marshal Petain to go about helping themselves to RL's success. They acted in self interest, not in the interests of Rugby Union.

I have said this several times in this thread. I sincerely believe that it would be a whole lot more productive for people to forget about the past (just as the South Africans have, apartheid was just as abhorrent as the Vichy regime, and the black and coloured populations had every reason to turn their backs on rugby union - but instead Mandela publicly embraced it).

Forgetting the past is not wise. Perhaps you mean to move on from past injustices?

Rugby league in Australia has been enormously successful, and part of that success has its roots in the availability of easy money from poker machines during the sixties and seventies. Some might find that reliance on the pockets of the poor to be repugnant. So what? It's history now.

Rugby League in Australia was successful largely for the reasons that LJC suggests are issues which affect RL now, which is whats being debated now. RL had two senior officials, their first NSWRL President Henry Hoyle and the first fulltime NSWRL secreatry Edward Larkin, were both senior members of the Federal Government. They also had the private money of James Giltinan and James Joynton-Smith. Through these people they got Rugby League introduced into catholic schools in Australia prior to WWI. These were the people who helped lead the coup to turn the 1908 Gold medal winning Wallabies professional. Giltinan was largely responsible for getting Dally Messenger into the game. After the war, Rugby League was introduced to Sydney University where it has remained ever since. These were the actions that lead to Rugby League's success. Poker Machines in the 50's only helped to further the push towards full-time professionalism.

If the local authorities in Australia really wanted to grow the game internationally there is a lot they could do. Most intelligent observers understand that. The clock starts now. Not seventy years ago.

It shouldn't be individual countries who have to expand the game. That should be the task of the games international governing body.

Ever since day one, the senior countries have had to expand the game. In this day and age that should not be the case at all.

Its high time the RLF got off its arse and started doing something for a change. Letting emerging nations die out, letting RU meddle in fixtures etc is the sort of pissweak behaviour that needs to rectified quick smart, otherwise this shit will just continue to happen. RU does what it does because it knows it'll get away with it.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Well it looks like the 3 dumb monkeys didn't read what was in those pictures, it actually states that RL even recruited from the enemy.

Thick idiots, who's to say half of the team weren't ex union players?

Morons.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

I see te haha had a post removed from last night, all bluster and abuse as usual too.

Says he read the book but will not get into a proper discussion about it, well seeing as you read the book and you state you do not lie, tell me what the first paragraph of chapter 9 says.

Well see if you indeed are full of shit as I'll post a picture word for word if you do it first, blustermunter.

:lol:

Busted lying again!

 

[Te Kaha]

I see te haha had a post removed from last night, all bluster and abuse as usual too.

Says he read the book but will not get into a proper discussion about it, well seeing as you read the book and you state you do not lie, tell me what the first paragraph of chapter 9 says.

Well see if you indeed are full of shit as I'll post a picture word for word if you do it first, blustermunter.

:lol:

Busted lying again!

BAHAHAHAHA... Telling me to recite a certain paragraph from a book i read once years ago... and not being able to means I'm a liar???

Pick up your game Junior.. you are losing it...

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

You have nothing, you did not read the book because if you did, you wouldn't have stated 3 quarters of the bullshit you have.

Anyone who reads a book from front to back (if they're really interested in it in the first place) will remember certain parts, yet you haven't posted anything resembling this.

Post anything from the book dickhead and I'll verify it. Doesn't have to be word for word seeing as you have supposedly have not got the book now (convenient eh?), just something from it that resembles even a skerrick of real information, we can all then look when I post a picture from the page if you were anywhere near it or if you are making things up again.

Not hard is it liar?

 

[Te Kaha]

You have nothing, you did not read the book because if you did, you wouldn't have stated 3 quarters of the bullshit you have.

Anyone who reads a book from front to back (if they're really interested in it in the first place) will remember certain parts, yet you haven't posted anything resembling this.

Post anything from the book dickhead and I'll verify it. Doesn't have to be word for word seeing as you have supposedly have not got the book now (convenient eh?), just something from it that resembles even a skerrick of real information, we can all then look when I post a picture from the page if you were anywhere near it or if you are making things up again.

Not hard is it liar?

You truely are a moron, ok what was chapter 9s title or any chapter and I will see what i can remember... anything to prove how big a liar you are.

 

[magpie4ever]

You truely are a moron, ok what was chapter 9s title or any chapter and I will see what i can remember... anything to prove how big a liar you are.

This seems to have become a battle between two moderators.

Any sensible debate about current repression of league by union has gone out of the window.

 

[Te Kaha]

This seems to have become a battle between two moderators.

Any sensible debate about current repression of league by union has gone out of the window.

tell me about it.... and i wasnt the one to start it.... he jumped in the thread to abuse and attack... its just his style.

 

[magpie4ever]

tell me about it.... and i wasnt the one to start it.... he jumped in the thread to abuse and attack... its just his style.

I agree, mate.

Either he doesn't read the posts or by-passes what is said.

No one has denied, condoned or supported what the Vichy (with FRU backing) did to French Rugby League; but to extend that to the current world and situation (as LJC tried to do) is ridiculous.

 

[Te Kaha]

I agree, mate.

Either he doesn't read the posts or by-passes what is said.

No one has denied, condoned or supported what the Vichy (with FRU backing) did to French Rugby League; but to extend that to the current world and situation (as LJC tried to do) is ridiculous.

He doesnt care... he lives for validation on the internet... he believes he gets that from abusing others... it would be funny if it wasnt so pitiful.

And right on queue a prime example being the post below this one... a post to nobody, totally unrelated to the thread, thinking he has "scored points", thinking that anything he says would matter to anybody.... a classic example of someone trying to get validation from others on the internet... truely pitiful.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Well it looks like heckle and jeckle will be having some nice dreams about me again tonight.

:lol:

 

[magpie4ever]

Well it looks like heckle and jeckle will be having some nice dreams about me again tonight.

:lol:

You came for me in my dream, last night.:lol::lol::lol: