The Knights last 4 weeks.

[Caped Crusader]

Gee, it is that easy, we just need to put the LU brains trust on the board and we will be sweet

FFS

It is not a matter of "buying" anything, Crusader. You either understand basic economic principles or you don't.

Right, so you attribute none of the clubs woes to the past dealings of Tinkler and previous admins?

Im not the man for the job mate, never claimed to be, however i refuse to believe that absolutely no one is. You seem to think that the situation is completely hopeless, completely un fixable no matter what the club does. I simply call bullshit on that

 

[betcats]

Na mate its the NRLs fault, how can the Knights be expected to compete with the financial might of a big city like Townsville?

 

[macavity]

Right, so you attribute none of the clubs woes to the past dealings of Tinkler and previous admins?

Im not the man for the job mate, never claimed to be, however i refuse to believe that absolutely no one is. You seem to think that the situation is completely hopeless, completely un fixable no matter what the club does. I simply call bullshit on that

We need something out of our control to happen. That is my point.

We either need the NRL to level the playing field, or a white Knight to come riding in and save us.

With the tools we currently have, in the NRL economy we are in, the club can do jack shit to effect any tangible improvement.

You all seem to think there is this "magic" we can harness to get these amazing players (miraculously developing a team of good first graders all at once, or even more miraculously convincing non locals to relocate to a team that gets lapped every week).. And then we need them to sign for less than they are offered by the big clubs.

It is absurd.

When there is Inflation, and inequity in purchasing power, to the extent that some consumers in a closed system (And with good market knowledge) effectively have unlimited purchasing power and the poor have very limited purchasing power,... and the nice things are limited in supply, with not enough to go around...the poor don't get nice things.

It just beggars belief that people still don't understand that. I feel like I am banging by head up against the wall, I don't know how else to explain it. I will have to see if there are pictures somewhere on the web, even that may be beyond some it seems.

 

[macavity]

Na mate its the NRLs fault, how can the Knights be expected to compete with the financial might of a big city like Townsville?

Amazing what the best player of a generation can do. Kept us afloat for a decade.

Lucky timing for them that they have a bandwagon rolling when the rules change and bandwagons become critical.

Flip the script and have them coming off a decade of failure and us winning everything in sight with a future immortal calling the shots at the time the economic rules change, and suddenly it's a Cowboys fan trying to explain basic economics to a bunch of people who are either wilfully or stupidly unable to grasp some pretty straightforward concepts.

 

[umina panther]

Congratulations macavity you have now surpassed Perth Red for the whiniest bitch on LU

 

[Last Week]

Congratulations macavity you have now surpassed Perth Red for the whiniest bitch on LU

No it just takes repeated attempts for people to understand his point.

It's really not difficult to grasp. Newcastle don't have the same level of access to third parties that teams like the Broncos or Roosters do.

Harp on about the Cowboys but they're quite successful over the last few years, with lots of players who receive national exposure. Compare that to the Knights roster?

Ultimately, yes it is possible for the Knights to build a successful roster again. But could they build it as easily or as quickly as the Roosters or Broncos? No where near it. How is that a level playing field?

 

[umina panther]

The knights suck because they have been run by incompetent fools, its as simple as that

 

[perverse]

Wow the ignorance it's really overwhelming.

Us: TPAs make it extremely difficult, bordering impossible within our own sphere of control, for us to dig out of the hole we've got ourselves in.

Half of LU: You suck because bad management.

Us: Yes, acknowledged. Our point is that TPAs warp the market and make it unnecessarily hard for us to.reverse our fortune because of the purchasing power it grants to large market clubs.

Half of.LU: herp derp BAD MANAGEMENT.

f**king clowns, read what we are saying. The responses you are giving are incongruent with the conversation we are trying to have. We understand that our club had f**ked up, but beyond a few empty platitudes, not a single one of you has provided one useful, pragmatic, real suggestion on how we dig up in the current environment. "Get better management" is not an answer, it's empty rhetoric. It's also something we've tried to do at least 3 or 4 times in the past decade, so you're only about 10 years behind us on that thought.

 

[Eion]

Really, you've tried good management? If your attempt is Matt Gidley, you need to try harder.

 

[perverse]

Really, you've tried good management? If your attempt is Matt Gidley, you need to try harder.

You clown. How about you go out and draw up a list of names we should be pursuing? You can't include anyone from outside the town, because they won't leave their CEO jobs in major population centers to come help us country bumpkin battlers. You've then got to find someone who hasn't already been put on our highly credentialed board. Good luck with that. I doubt you can name a single member of our board without googling it, proving how full of shit you are.

Gidley is a yes man for those above him, be it our board or the NRL. He'll be there until both of those entities agree we're ready to stand on our own feet again.

 

[Spot On]

Congratulations macavity you have now surpassed Perth Red for the whiniest bitch on LU

Or, if people genuinely have the intelligence to understand what Mac has written, some in here will begin to have a better grasp of the concepts he has continually explained in detail about the current TPA system and it's glaring flaws and the long term effects it is having on seperate clubs.

You do realise your own General Manger at Penrith wants changes to the system so Penrith can become competitive with those clubs who are fielding a team with in excess of 2 million dollars worth of TPAs (above the cap, every year) so that they can win a premiership one day again?

Let the whining continue as there are plenty of teams in the same position but many of their fans aren't aware of the machinations that currently limit their teams chances to compete fairly in this competition.

 

[Eion]

So when you say Gidley is shit you are not a clown? If you're an example of a typical Novocastrian then I agree, the joint is fully of whiny no hopers and better to just shut the doors on the joint.

I hope you're not, because I don't mind the club.

 

[DiegoNT]

2011: we have a rich sugar daddy! Look at all our flash signings, we have the super coach, we'll be one of the biggest clubs in the comp answer have a Premiershops in 5 years

2016: wah wah wah, the systems broke, how can we possible compete with teams from cronulla and townsville, it's not fair.

Knights have found themselves in a big hole of their own doing. They aren't the first club to do it and they won't be the last. In the hole are plans of wood, nails and a hammer, if they we're like other clubs who have been in the same position they'd use their tools they have to slowly build their way out but that doesn't suit the Knights fans. They want to be given a jet pack so they can fly high in the sky with the broncos and roosters straight away. Cowboys and sharks didn't find themselves in the position they are now overnight. They were on the bottom for years, sharks were seemingly on the verge of expulsion not that long ago. The way they got back their was Boring. They got themselves right off the field, they slowly built a team. Their first goal was just to get off the bottomless of the ladder. Then after that the goal was to compete for the finals, then to try make the finals. Then make the top 4 (which sharks are yet to do), then finally challenge for a title. These things take years to do, it's never a quick thing even for the super clubs. Souths were worse then newcastle at the moment in 2006 when we gained access, through crowe and co, to be able to compete of the field with the likes of broncos android roosters. It still took 6 seasons for souths to have a team to compete for a premiership. It took that long to reverse years of mis management, of paying overs to attract players, to slowly build business partnerships, and slowly build a team which included players developers by the club and the right players brought in. We lost players we wanted to keep while this happened, so have cowboys and sharks along the way. The salary cap generally works at creating an even comp where most teams have a chance to compete, while also stooping clubs from sending themselves broke, but unfortunately some clubs find themselves stuck on the bottom. The only way out is off-field stability (amd that can take years), slowly getting themselves off the bottom, usually with rookies and some astute buys, and slowly build from there. Souths, cowboys add sharks have have had to do it, titans are a few steps aheas of newcastle, and i think nathan brown knows what he is doing at least on the fielding to start the process of getting newcastle off the bottom at least

 

[Spot On]

Some clubs also benefit from having $7 million in loans waived Diego.;-)

Having rich owners also helps attract great talent too Diego.;-)

 

[johnny plath]

No it just takes repeated attempts for people to understand his point.

It's really not difficult to grasp. Newcastle don't have the same level of access to third parties that teams like the Broncos or Roosters do.

Harp on about the Cowboys but they're quite successful over the last few years, with lots of players who receive national exposure. Compare that to the Knights roster?

Ultimately, yes it is possible for the Knights to build a successful roster again. But could they build it as easily or as quickly as the Roosters or Broncos? No where near it. How is that a level playing field?

Where is evidence of a quick re build at broncos. ..they've brought in maybe 4 players over two seasons. ..the rest of their team are players they have nurtured over time and until this season were not rated as arealistic top 8 team. The r the bulk of the team apart from its long term veterans have come through their u20s system.

 

[DiegoNT]

Some clubs also benefit from having $7 million in loans waived Diego.;-)

Having rich owners also helps attract great talent too Diego.;-)

Yep no denying rich owners helps, but good management is needed to. Even with rich owners and huge off field advantages we were a laughing stock between 07-11
What talent has souths assembled with our might tpa's, guys like goodwin, gray, tyrell, turner, Carter, brown, gowielski, auva'a, walker, mcinnes why with our tpa's we've managed to stock our top 17 with super stars. .

 

[DiegoNT]

Where is evidence of a quick re build at broncos. ..they've brought in maybe 4 players over two seasons. ..the rest of their team are players they have nurtured over time and until this season were not rated as arealistic top 8 team. The r the bulk of the team apart from its long term veterans have come through their u20s system.

Milford was a gamble, everyone laughed at Blairs signing, boyd was recruited out of a mental institution, though you did get roberts. The rest of the team is made up of guys we laughed off as plodder when broncos were missing the finals or just falling into the 8 between 2010-2014, guys like mcollough, reed, Glenn, oates, mcguire, even hunt.

 

[Bazal]

I think the point Knights fans are making is that while the TPA issue isn't the sole factor for their situation, it's definitely a contributing factor. And it absolutely is, along with management issues. There is a huge gap between the TPAs some clubs can attract when compared to many others and Newcastle soak up a lot of their corporate sponsorship to run the club (I think someone else mentioned that too).

 

[Spot On]

The broncos don't lose juniors they rate Johnny Plath. Someone like Ash Taylor was let go for the obvious reason of 2 young halves having years of first grade left. The Broncs do it well, no denying that, but money aint an issue for a club with in excess of 2.4 mill in TPAs and a turnover of 26 million for which next to no profit is shown.

 

[DiegoNT]

I think the point Knights fans are making is that while the TPA issue isn't the sole factor for their situation, it's definitely a contributing factor. And it absolutely is, along with management issues. There is a huge gap between the TPAs some clubs can attract when compared to many others and Newcastle soak up a lot of their corporate sponsorship to run the club (I think someone else mentioned that too).

But Knights fans are using it as the sole excuse they are where they are, and as the sole excuse as to why they'll never be able to compete ever again (which is bullshit, Knights will rise again one day)

In a way tpa's are the reason Knights are in this mess, it was the use of promised tpa's that lured a bucketload of older experienced players to the clun while also allowing Knights to keep their now under performing developed players. Tpa's got them and bennett their and now that Tinkler and Bennett have split it's up to newcastle to recover from those decisions.

As for the nonsical notion that Tpa's make a club invincible and unbeatable, broncos who are the undisputed king of the tpa's has only challenged for the title a few times in the last decade, souths android roosters won a premiership each, but both took years to build to and now both teams are in decline, bulldogs have been consistent but olly really challenged in 2012, and eels have been a joke. In the same time teams like Cowboys and sharks, both who have been on the bottom any on the brink, have managed to build themselves up with similar resources to what the Knights have.

So yes TPA's are a contributing factor, yes a lack of tpa's makes it harder for Knights to rebuild, yes some clubs with access to tpa's have an advantage and find it easier to rebuild but also they aren't a guarantee of success, and no all of newcastle problems aren't down to lack of tpa's